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Karol wrote: Well if you suddenly decided that other companies make good or better looking models, this would mean you just were wasting money and time for only you know how much time.
It is better to stay with the bad you know, then do anything else.
Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?
... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.
phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.
Karol wrote: Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?
... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.
Well, it's the old question of wargaming surrounding GW games - do you play a game you might not like but gets on the table, or buy into something that either might not take off, or never gets attention?
I've been in several wargaming groups that are quite happy to either pick up new games or, if you provide the miniatures for both sides, sit down to learn new rules (and maybe be enticed to pick up something themselves). Not everyone is that lucky.
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People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.
Karol wrote: Plus it is a social thing. what if you picked up an infinity or star wars model, and your GW crew did not react welcoming to it?
... that's about all I've been able to gather from such a stance. people trying to make the best of a bad situation by... still investing into it. well, if that's what they want to do.
Well, it's the old question of wargaming surrounding GW games - do you play a game you might not like but gets on the table, or buy into something that either might not take off, or never gets attention?
I've been in several wargaming groups that are quite happy to either pick up new games or, if you provide the miniatures for both sides, sit down to learn new rules (and maybe be enticed to pick up something themselves). Not everyone is that lucky.
everyone will answer that question differently. for me? im not going to buy a product i don't really care for, just because it'll get on the table- but then I have other priorities and interests i could invest in, and i don't have a group ive been with to keep me in a specific product range. I just always find it odd when i hear people more or less say the game is so bad, that the painting saves it. at that point i start to wonder why even game at all. certain aesthetics aside, theres a lot of shore's to go paint on before id even question bang for buck. but i guess the social experience is worth the cost.
Mmmpi wrote: You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.
Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
Funny thing... This hypothetical gamer you're describing? Would likely be a BLAST to play with.
I mean, sure, they're probably a bit weird sometimes. But just imagine coming to the table with someone who had a name for his Knight House, had heraldry and a history, and a livery for the company of infantry that accompanied them into battle. Imagine someone who could tell you about the nearly-forgotten, ancient hero who suffered inside his Leviathan dreadnought, and how he resisted the torments that were inflicted on him every time he took to the field. Imagine the person who could name their melee captain, who had imagined a few of the heroic exploits (perhaps even from previous games!) that had forged him into the jump-pack-wearing, hammer-wielding badass he has become.
Imagine the person who knows the name of their Guardsmen's homeworld--without it being Cadia or Tallarn or Vostroya. (Not that those aren't nice places!). Imagine someone who could explain to you how their genestealer cult was spread from world to world, or who could tell you about the murders and betrayals that their archon had committed to claim leadership of a Kabal.
A person like this might make you want to run a narrative campaign, to have a history for your army beyond a series of anonymous Ws and Ls. They might spur you to create Kill Teams, or a new battlefield to fight over. And most of all? This person would probably have painted their army.
I'd trade a dozen unpainted net-list Timmys to play games with this person. But to you, it seems, they're just a troll.
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phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.
So, I read the article that was posted above. Sad to say it actually agrees with what others have said...stores aren't private property. There's also the aspect of ownership. Since it's my property being photographed, I'm half owner of the photo (Professional photographers get work releases signed which gives them full ownership). There's also the privacy issue involved.
This is all moot though because no one would take photos of someone's models without their permission right?
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So we've heard "don't care, paint slowly, only paint when motivated, dislike painting and have to force themselves" as the more common reasons people don't paint.
What methods could we do to encourage people to paint so they take interest in that aspect/paint faster/are most productive when motivated?
Mmmpi wrote: You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.
Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.
The ultimate authority would be the store owner.
Yes, and I also forgot ownership issues.
The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue.
The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)
This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.
Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.
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phillv85 wrote: Ok, so that title might look like I’m asking accusingly, I can assure you I’m not.
I was quite surprised to see a fair few people say they don’t paint their models all when reading the How Important To You Is Painting thread.
I’m genuinely interested in why you don’t do it. Is it that you can’t paint for whatever reason, be it time, money, or another reason? Are you afraid of doing a bad paint job? (I’ve certainly avoided certain models because I don’t feel I can do them justice). Is there just no call for it in your playing group?
I’d rather people didn’t post reasons on this thread why people should in fact paint, we’ve got them all in the other. I just am curious as to why some people don’t. I’m not looking for a flame war.
I don't play my army unless they are painted and won't if someone doesn't either. Main reason is looks of the game and I take pictures of the games. Don't want non painted models in my army.
What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
Not something you can actually do in a public place...so...good luck with that.
My private property, and personal artistic expression. So, yes I can legally stop you, force take-downs of posted pictures, ect, if I care enough to go that far.
Sure, you can pretend that you can do that - but you actually can't. Nice try though, I suppose.
So, I read the article that was posted above. Sad to say it actually agrees with what others have said...stores aren't private property. There's also the aspect of ownership. Since it's my property being photographed, I'm half owner of the photo (Professional photographers get work releases signed which gives them full ownership). There's also the privacy issue involved.
This is all moot though because no one would take photos of someone's models without their permission right? -- So we've heard "don't care, paint slowly, only paint when motivated, dislike painting and have to force themselves" as the more common reasons people don't paint.
What methods could we do to encourage people to paint so they take interest in that aspect/paint faster/are most productive when motivated?
Mmmpi wrote: You have the right to take pictures of your models. You may not take pictures of other people, or their property without their permission.
Are you sure that's the law? Because many states do not require your consent to photograph or record you or your property.
The ultimate authority would be the store owner.
Yes, and I also forgot ownership issues.
The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue. The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)
This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.
Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.
Or they loose clout and make themselves look foolish/argumentative for making a big deal out of nothing and ruining the community vibe..
And community is how you encourage people to paint. Have painting corners/clinics running workshops. Its what we have done at our local club. I think I might do one about basing and help people make cool bases which will also in turn show them how effective and easy shading and dry brushing is a technique for those that might be beginner painters. Its all about community however you slice it and supporting people and being encouraging IMO. However, as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.. But you damn sure cant make that mofo drink lol.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
People are free to enjoy good things in a superficial and uncultured fashion. I'm free to quietly judge them in the privacy of my mind or among like-minded friends.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
if thats how you enjoy about the game, good for you. but don't go calling everyone that doesn't name their squads and characters "lazy/pathetic/power gamers". I personally only name my characters if they manage to do something noteworthy in a fight, sometimes. And some of my models earned some medals (that i have yet to convert) for cool in-game moments. Most of my armies are unnamed tho. I just don't need the roleplaying part to enjoy 40k, and you insulting people that view the game differently than you do is pretty rude.
... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?
I think you may have missed the point of that post - it's clearly a parody intended to point out how the "models must be painted or you're a lazy power gaming armyhopping WAAC player" attitude can come across to others who disagree with the fundamental premise.
The person who's stuff is getting photographed can expect a measure of privacy if they aren't in a public place. The store owner can have a say in who photographs however as they own the store, but consent from the person in it is also an issue.
The person who's getting their stuff photographed is also 50% owner of the photograph unless they sign that away. (Professional photographers get work releases signed from clients)
This does bring up the question though. Why would you risk taking photos without someone's permission? Let's say it's legal in your area. If they say no, and you do it anyway, are they going to react well? At best your game is now gakky. At worse, you've lost most of the store as opponents.
Edit: since this seems to be an ongoing topic, I''m going to start a new thread for it.
Actually yes and no it varies on country and situation.
For example in many countries if the model is paying for the photography then they own the photos; in others the photographer retains ownership unless they sign it away.
If the photographer is paying the model then in most countries the model has no ownership of the photo at all.
If its a mutual exchange of services then one would expect the 50-50 ownership to be part of the contract agreement.
Regardless in most countries the person who presses the shutter is the one who owns the photograph (you recall that monkey face photo that went around the net a while back where the monkey took the photo - the photographer LOST the rights to that photo as it was argued in court that the monkey took the photo and, as its not human, it has no rights to protect so the photo was listed as public domain).
If you're in a public place or a private property with public access and no rules against it, then the person who presses the shutter button owns the photo. You can even publish and profit for editorial use without penalty (that's how newspapers work). Although there have been new laws brought in to curb some of this and many places are more uptight on getting written permission where possible, especially for something like event marketing (though again if its a crowd of a 500 people in the photo then they don't have to seek permission).
This is all very rough and general and different countries (and states) can have variations on the rules. But the main upshot is that your concept of 50-50 ownership is flawed and most often not the default cause.
anglo sphear has a very specific and strange definition of what is public/private , same with ownership.
technicly a street is okey, but when our public TV went to make material about UK, they got arrested and their stuff was confiscated. And they had to leave the country as soon as our ambassador got them out.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
I don't understand people, who don't name their characters and make a believable backstory for their chapter/company/squad.
I mean, why do we like 40K? It is for the setting, and certainly not for the rules.
I just find that it really ruins my immersion and enjoyment, when a person is too lazy to at least name their squads.
Now, I don't expect everything to be named right out of the gate, with a full backstory of past victories and squad rivalries, but I really hate the pathetic net-list power gamers, that don't even show some kind of progress.
I mean, how hard is it to name one squad each time you play? How hard is it to sit down and spend a few hours thinking up names?
"But I am not good at it!". Don't worry. It all comes with practice. Just start naming and you might find better names later.
I personally don't field an unnamed squad without at least a decent backstory, but each to their own I guess.
I just wouldn't set a low standard, and I certainly wouldn't actively ruin the game for others....so I name my squads, at least.
Thank you to Jacksmiles and Aelyn for getting the point of my post.
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
I have three kids in the house, the middle with Down Syndrome, and the youngest with Autism. Finding time to paint has been a bear. I'm almost to the point of bringing stuff to work and trying to milk out break and lunch.
1) I only really get 1 hour, maybe an hour and a half a night to paint. Which mostly consists base coating and washing a single model. Or, if i'm batch painting, getting 3 or 4 colours down on a few before I continue the next day.
2) I have about 10 different project going on and I have project A.D.D. so I'll paint a mini for one of those projects then one from another project next. So I make progress on all but overall it's slow.
3) I work in I.T. so I spend my day sitting down in front of a PC. When I get home I just don't want to sit down any more then I already do and I psych myself out of painting.
4) I only really paint in the cold months. I prefer to be outside in the summer/Spring when the weather get better which means half the year I just straight can't be motivated to paint.
Of the projects I'm working on I have:
1000pts of Stormcast
1000pts of Cities of Sigmar
2000pts of Ogor Mawtribes
1000pts of Blade of Khorne
2000pt Goblin army for WHFB/9th Age
1000pts Dwarf army for WHFB/9th age
1000pts Khorne Chaos Warrior army for WHFB/9th Age
Painting the Conan Miniature game from Monolith
Continuing to add to my rather large Terrain collection (Right now working on the old Citadel castle)
Giant pile of Bones miniature from 2 kickstarters sitting in a pile in the corner
Pile of Lord of the Rings minis I'm slowly working through
As can be seen...I'm busy.
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... And do you think that painting is a requirement to play the game?
Yes. Obviously!
ccs wrote: What if I don't give you permission to photo my models?
I would never want to come across you in a Friendly local game store
Why? You wouldn't play him anyways.
Personally, I can't imagine someone seeing 2 people, one who says
"Please don't photograph me and/or my models"
And one who goes on a tirade about how he's legally allowed to phtograph everything in the store (while also criticizing his partially/un painted army) and saying - "wow that first guy seems like a jerk!"
In the dozens of threads over there years on dakka dakka that talk about this - it's not a rare personal rule for players to uphold. If you're going to bother playing a pick up game with a random player you aren't familair with at the store - why play with someone who can't be bothered to glue some models together and apply paint? ad nauseam x100
Cryptek - It reminds me of police officers that tell civilians to stop filming them while on duty. I have no intention to make fun of a bad painter or take awkward photos of people. I want to photograph a great game being played on awesome terrain with fully painted models.
Quote from earlier:
Stevefamine wrote: In the US - no issue. I can take photos whenever I want. If the guy wants to be weird about it - let him cause a scene. Sounds similar to when cops ask to not be recorded.
As long as the person taking the photos isn't making fun of the paint job or doing anything nasty to the individual.
DK Rider - Warmachine is the game for you if you're not into the hobby side. I recommended this to a friend of mine and he genuinely enjoys not having to stress out finishing his armies for local events. No painting flat printed out terrain, and hard WYSIWYG/Base Size/No Conversions.
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Stevefamine wrote: In the dozens of threads over there years on dakka dakka that talk about this - it's not a rare personal rule for players to uphold. If you're going to bother playing a pick up game with a random player you aren't familair with at the store - why play with someone who can't be bothered to glue some models together and apply paint? ad nauseam x100
Cryptek - It reminds me of police officers that tell civilians to stop filming them while on duty. I have no intention to make fun of a bad painter or take awkward photos of people. I want to photograph a great game being played on awesome terrain with fully painted models.
Quote from earlier:
Stevefamine wrote: In the US - no issue. I can take photos whenever I want. If the guy wants to be weird about it - let him cause a scene. Sounds similar to when cops ask to not be recorded.
As long as the person taking the photos isn't making fun of the paint job or doing anything nasty to the individual.
DK Rider - Warmachine is the game for you if you're not into the hobby side. I recommended this to a friend of mine and he genuinely enjoys not having to stress out finishing his armies for local events. No painting flat printed out terrain, and hard WYSIWYG/Base Size/No Conversions.
Not where we are. Mostly painted armies, full 3d (or at least 2.5d). Many of us are trying very hard to change the WM/H mentality and the community is moving in that direction. Also point out that all the big tournaments and ones supported by PP where thee is a chance of getting on one of the streams have a 100% painting requirement.
Also, conversions are allowed in WM/H as long as its 50% of PP product and clearly identifiable what the model is.
I will admit however that compaired to some other systems we have historically been a lot worse at painting. The stereotype exists for a reason.....
I'm really waiting for 3D color printing to get within reasonable price ranges.
No painting and no grey models. Win-win for everyone... except GW I guess.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.
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Charistoph wrote: If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.
Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Charistoph wrote: If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.
Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Depends on the area. Some places, there are plenty of people with painted models. Others, not so much. Whereas with X-Wing, they come pre painted, so you’re guaranteed to have a painted foe.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
I paint my minis because I find the process relaxing more than any other reason. Yes, I like having fully painted armies; yes, I like when people praise my painting skills, and yes, I appreciate the spectacle of seeing two fully painted armies face off on a table of nice terrain.
But now that I'm stuck over an hour's drive from the nearest gaming venue and haven't played in over six years... I still paint minis because it's relaxing.
How does this relate to the subject of the thread? Well, if painting minis stresses one out, I can completely understand why one wouldn't do it. If one lacks the time, if one lacks the artistic inclination... I get it. You are not me, and the hobby is for everyone.
Charistoph wrote: If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.
Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Yup. After all of this I wonder at what point in this hobby, a modelling hobby to boot; something which implicitly has painting and modelling as a requirement did certain people decide that this is in fact incorrect?
Because it is not, no matter how much they dig their heels in and spit their righteous indignations about.
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Charistoph wrote: If painted models are a requirement for you to play the game, maybe you should switch to playing X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, or AT-43, since you don't have to rely on your opponent's capacity for paining.
Or they can simply play people with painted models? That's far easier.
Depends on the area. Some places, there are plenty of people with painted models. Others, not so much. Whereas with X-Wing, they come pre painted, so you’re guaranteed to have a painted foe.
In some remote places you may indeed struggle to find an opponent for any wargame. In most decently populated metropolitan areas you shouldn't. You don't need to stumble upon a clan of dozens of people who only play with painted miniatures...just one or two solid people who make good opponents.
The X-Wing suggestion is a bit silly, because that implies that the person's only interest is playing "A" game with painted miniatures. You may hate Star Wars. You may dislike X-Wing. You may have a grudge against FFG or some such. If you want to play 40K, suggesting another game makes little sense.
The general subject of availability of opponents for any chosen game is an entirely different discussion.
Many people, myself included, would rather not play a game than adopt the "play at all costs" kind of attitude that a lot of people have. This is a luxury hobby, and a hobby in which you should be enjoying yourself. I'm not so desperate to play a tabletop wargame that I'll go play a game with a person I don't like, or at a store I don't like, or with miniatures/terrain that are underwhelming etc. As an adult, free time is always at a premium. If I'm going to spend 2-3 hours gaming I'm going to make the most of it, and I'd rather play against people I enjoy spending time with, in a nice environment, and I'd like to play that game at the highest level when it comes to miniatures/terrain, etc.
No one has an issue with painting being central to how you enjoy the hobby, just don’t force your views on others.
This be reasonable and goes both ways.
Dont get mad at people denying you games because you didn't want to paint your army.
that seems to be where most of these threads stem from. someone hypothetically got burned by an store or event because that private entity decided to gate-keep their community with painting restrictions.
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