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Snow tiger could be their take on something like a sabretoothed tiger.

   
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 Overread wrote:
Snow tiger could be their take on something like a sabretoothed tiger.


I expected that to be an ogres thing if ogres are going to be a thing haha

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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True, but in theory snow cats like that would be just part of the wildlife so could be tamed by more than one race.

   
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Its not just a 'snowcat,' the thing's legs and tail are glowing.

I don't think its just part of the wildlife. A shared unit would be multiple models. This is a singular unique thing- it isn't even a mount (no rider). It looks more like a character/hero in its own right.

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Maybe ROW special unit ?

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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I thought maybe a summoned unit or a companion like Gobbla.

Though looking at the Tiger, noticed the jewellery it's wearing? It's not dissimilar to what Katarina was wearing in the first trailer, in some frames it looks like beadwork holding the blue glowy things on, so maybe she can transform into this tiger thingo?


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Argive wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Also what's that accent supposed to be? It sounds so weird to my ear, lol.


Sounds like an attempt eastern european/ Russian. Seems pretty clear.

I just hope they make cav and line infantry mean something..
It just seems so far from any Russian, Ukrainian, Pole, etc that I've heard.


I'm a Pole whose whole family is Poles living in England and also know many other eastern European nationals from work. This is more or less how it goes
Not me thought. I learned English as a child so no bond villain accent for me.

Maybe eastern Europeans/ Russians trying to learn New Zealandy english come out with a totally different accent though.
The accent in the video sounded very laboured in a way I've not heard any actual eastern european speaking.

I have a few Polish friends here in Australia and spent some time in Poland, there's certainly a wide range of accents Polish people have (maybe regional?) but the accent in this video sounded like something totally weird to me.

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Also keep in mind the gameplay reveal is today.
The TW team should be doing something on one of their youtube channels, and various streamers/youtubers also have access to a mission (the same one?).
Its a Kislev vs Khorne daemons battle in the Wastes/RoC.

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Yeah, it premieres in 48 minutes...


   
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Wasn't expecting a 'year in review' for CA, let alone a retrospective on the franchise.

Real stuff should be soon...


Bear cannon!
Nice archers, also.

Not sold on this battle mode (partially because the video is, as usual by CA, edited to crap). Its kind of neat, but I hope its not a big part of the actual campaign- it feels potentially tedious even with editing taking the connecting bits out.
It reminds me of a one v one version of the final vortex battle, mixed with three kingdoms siege setup.

Ice magic looks really strong.

I'll have to see what the youtubers do with it, this was (unsurprisingly) quick and dirty.

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More talking. Reveals?

Axe guns.
Patriarch character - buffer character, his other ability icon looks like a heal
Lore of Ice and Lore of Tempest
Really cool finishing animation for the ice bear, batting his victim around.


Khorne is going to play a lot like dwarves but with fast units and a lot fewer ranged attacks. And obviously no magic. Hope magic resistance will really hold up this time, but I doubt it.

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According to some YouTubers who have had access to the battle have said that the battle mode is a rarity, basically when you get to the point of wiping out Khorne you'll be presented with that battle, and when you get to the point of wiping out the other chaos gods you'll get a similar battle.

But the NDA lifts in 15 minutes, so expect an influx of gameplay videos of that battle soon.


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LegendofTotalWar posted up his video playing that mission...




Looks like they only let press play it on super-easy mode.

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So Kislev is made out of bears and ice.

I mean, there are some great designs underneath all the bears and ice, but it's mostly bears and ice.

Did I mention bears and ice?

At this point, I dread the Cathay reveal.

Not a fan. Doubly so, if this is what we're supposed to get in The Old World.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
So Kislev is made out of bears and ice.

I mean, there are some great designs underneath all the bears and ice, but it's mostly bears and ice.

Did I mention bears and ice?

At this point, I dread the Cathay reveal.

Not a fan. Doubly so, if this is what we're supposed to get in The Old World.


Agreed, I'd have preferred a more restrained approach. Katarina looks really cool though.
   
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Yeah, I don't mind Katarina ice skating around. She's a powerful ice witch, a bit of flashiness is appropriate.
   
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Yeah just watched Zerkovichs overview of the Kislev units. Looks like what I thought, although Gryphon Legion is a straight unit and not a Regiment of Renown which is cool. Will have more time to watch a few more gameplay vids tonight like Heir of Carthage.

So far I likes what I see

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Lionheart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWqFGJV6E0

Janet on Occasion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izEzEtAyyhk

Interesting thing here is that the khorne units' health numbers are way turned down for this scenario and the press event. So the units just melting isn't representative of the actual game. Especially with the ice magic.

Like some of the UI refinements. Particularly the Winds of Magic hourglass, which gives a better view of what you're spending and sense of the total.

Love the death animation for bloodletters, falling and bursting into flame.

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Not sure what the bears and ice complaints are about. I'm seeing a lot of the traditional Kislev units in these videos.

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Huh. Cool, the Bloodthirsters do actually fly.
Skullcannons are in, as well. Seem scaled a bit bigger compared to tabletop.

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Yeah I mean Kislevites worship Ursun, who is a bear god in the same vein as Ulric being a Wolf God. Kislevites have had the unique Lore of Ice is....well, at least as far back as when I started playing.

Yeah Zerkovichs mentioned in his stream that in the scenario that it looks like all the Total War Youtubers have gotten to play the the enemies health is dropped by a lot. So it's not a proper representation of what it will be like in game.

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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

Nate Crowley writing on TW3 in his own inimitable fashion:

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/total-war-warhammer-3-brings-tower-defence-boss-fights-and-lakes-of-sick-to-total-war-i-love-it

"But TWW3 will not simply be a third bucket of sausages, tipped onto this already-groaning wheelbarrow of meat."

"This realm belongs to Khorne, the god of pub car park fistfights"

" The brave lads and lasses of Kislev have invaded this place under the leadership of Queen Katarin, who’s like a metal version of Elsa off of Frozen"

   
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Im glad this tower defence style game play is going to be a final event battle. It seems a lot more like DOW than TW.

All in all looks pretty good. WHTW2+

No complaints

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Still wondering where or if Ogre Kingdom's are going to emerge. They're the faction i'm looking forward to most and they very much are within the area wandering around and looking for things to snack on.
   
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The announced plan from the start was to have all of the published armies (with a question mark for Chaos Dwarves), so I would expect to see the Ogres. I wouldn't be surprised if they're a DLC army, though.
   
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Shouldn't there still be a preorder DLC to tie us over for WH2?

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Shouldn't there still be a preorder DLC to tie us over for WH2?
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There is one more lord pack dlc for TW2, but it's still 'months' off.

There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)

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Voss wrote:
There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)


They haven't said anything, but I'm gonna guess it's maybe going to be a race playable in TWW2. But maybe it won't.



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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Voss wrote:
There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)


They haven't said anything, but I'm gonna guess it's maybe going to be a race playable in TWW2. But maybe it won't.





It won't be another race. Right now any brand new races will be TWW 3 only content.

Whilst they want to reward their TWW2 customers, they really would rather everyone started to shift toward the 3rd game when it comes out. Attention on the 2nd game only needs to be enough to spark interest in those who are not keeping up with the news; get them playing near the launch of the 3rd game, even just for a bit, so that they are excited again for the game series and more likely to jump on the 3rd game.

   
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 Overread wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Voss wrote:
There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)


They haven't said anything, but I'm gonna guess it's maybe going to be a race playable in TWW2. But maybe it won't.





It won't be another race. Right now any brand new races will be TWW 3 only content.

Whilst they want to reward their TWW2 customers, they really would rather everyone started to shift toward the 3rd game when it comes out. Attention on the 2nd game only needs to be enough to spark interest in those who are not keeping up with the news; get them playing near the launch of the 3rd game, even just for a bit, so that they are excited again for the game series and more likely to jump on the 3rd game.


I could see them doing something like Norsca again. I know that was a bit of a screw up with TWW2, but it wasn't a bad idea and the screw up was on the technical side from different development groups not communicating such that the Norsca project and the TWW2 project diverged and made it so it wasn't an easy copy/paste.

But the TWW2 Mortal Empires map has a big empty space to the east where they could stick a new race if they wanted.
   
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 Overread wrote:

Whilst they want to reward their TWW2 customers, they really would rather everyone started to shift toward the 3rd game when it comes out. Attention on the 2nd game only needs to be enough to spark interest in those who are not keeping up with the news; get them playing near the launch of the 3rd game, even just for a bit, so that they are excited again for the game series and more likely to jump on the 3rd game.



Eh...

Gonna have to disagree here. First of all, the pre-order bonus for the second game was Norsca.

Second, and more importantly, the draw for these games has always been that they're not just three Warhammer games. The draw has been that this is essentially one GIGANTIC game, released in three bite-sized (and wallet-conscious) chunks. To a certain extent, it's actually in CA's best interests to get people who buy this game thinking about the earlier games (if they haven't already). Because if you have the first game and the third game, then you can buy the second game to get access to a massive campaign that spans across all three games.

Third and finally, the release of the second game didn't stop work on the first. Some of the most significant reworks to the first game's content (such as the Empire rework) actually took place after the second game was released. Yes, it's true that all DLC after Norsca required the second game. But that doesn't mean that there hasn't been some content improvements for people who only own the first game (said content also applies to people who play Mortal Empires, of course).

Right now, I don't think we have any way of predicting which game the pre-order bonus will require as its "core" game.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Voss wrote:
There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)


They haven't said anything, but I'm gonna guess it's maybe going to be a race playable in TWW2. But maybe it won't.


They've said, repeatedly, that there will be no more race packs for TW2.

Eumerin wrote:Gonna have to disagree here. First of all, the pre-order bonus for the second game was Norsca.

Which was a complete clusterfeth. Not something they're going to want to repeat.

Second, and more importantly, the draw for these games has always been that they're not just three Warhammer games. The draw has been that this is essentially one GIGANTIC game, released in three bite-sized (and wallet-conscious) chunks.

Keep in mind, the 'gigantic' game is a secondary game mode. The focus has been on the 'main campaign' map for the game in question- the ME campaign is a bonus- the focus is always on the base game at hand.

Doing a race that fits at the juncture of all four continents on the not-Atlantic (the Vortex map) AND in the completely landlocked space between Kislev, Cathay and the Chaos Wastes is a hard one.

We don't have a clear prediction of which race will be the preorder DLC, but it would be crazy and foolish if it wasn't something that fit into the base campaign for TW3. Not least of which is the new version of the Mortal Empires campaign won't be available right away, so a focus there would be a complete waste (as well as out of line with what they've done in the past).

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Voss wrote:

Eumerin wrote:Gonna have to disagree here. First of all, the pre-order bonus for the second game was Norsca.

Which was a complete clusterfeth. Not something they're going to want to repeat.


It was a problem because of a lack of communication and coordination between the two teams. As the cause of the problem has been identified, it should be something that can be avoided if they do something similar for the third game.

Second, and more importantly, the draw for these games has always been that they're not just three Warhammer games. The draw has been that this is essentially one GIGANTIC game, released in three bite-sized (and wallet-conscious) chunks.

Keep in mind, the 'gigantic' game is a secondary game mode. The focus has been on the 'main campaign' map for the game in question- the ME campaign is a bonus- the focus is always on the base game at hand.


It's secondary for the game at hand. But it's the primary mode for the "big picture", so to speak. Or to put it another way, the Vortex Campaign gets you to start playing TWWH2. But Mortal Empires is the advertisement to own *both* games instead of just one, and is where you turn to when you want to expand your play beyond the limits of the individual games. Want Settra to sack Altdorf in revenge for all of those archeological looting expeditions? Then you turn to Mortal Empires. The sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

Doing a race that fits at the juncture of all four continents on the not-Atlantic (the Vortex map) AND in the completely landlocked space between Kislev, Cathay and the Chaos Wastes is a hard one.



Doesn't have to be a new race. It just needs to be new starting locations and lords. We've got Bretonnians, Empire, and Greenskins in the second game. Two were part of a DLC, and the other was free.

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But... it is a new race.

From the FAQ:
We are currently planning to have Race Pack as the Early Adopter bonus for Total War: WARHAMMER III – stay tuned for all the latest details about this as soon as we can reveal them!


But it's the primary mode for the "big picture", so to speak.

Yeah, its the primary concern for the secondary game mode that comes later. This is a _race pack_ that comes _at launch_ with just the _base campaign_.
None of this is new information.


We've got Bretonnians, Empire, and Greenskins in the second game. Two were part of a DLC, and the other was free.

Yep. And Wood Elves. And they were all plopped on the base vortex campaign map. And the PR focus for the DLC was on how they interacted with the vortex campaign.

I'm just going to cock my head in puzzlement at this point, because your argument makes no sense.

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Voss wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Voss wrote:
There is a preorder dlc for tw3, but it has nothing for 2. (As far as we know)


They haven't said anything, but I'm gonna guess it's maybe going to be a race playable in TWW2. But maybe it won't.


They've said, repeatedly, that there will be no more race packs for TW2.


But it wouldn't be, it'd be a race pack for TWW3 which is playable in TWW2.

Voss wrote:
Keep in mind, the 'gigantic' game is a secondary game mode. The focus has been on the 'main campaign' map for the game in question- the ME campaign is a bonus- the focus is always on the base game at hand.

The focus is "always"? I mean, it was in TWW2, and I think that was a detriment to TWW2 because clearly a large draw for the game was ME. From memory, TWW2 had pretty poor launch sales and I'd be blaming at least part of that on the fact it didn't launch with ME.

We don't know what they'll be doing with the new game. Obviously they're going to be pushing the new races, and they don't want to alienate people who aren't fans/owners of the first 2 games, but it'd be insane for them not to be pushing TWW3 as the completion of being able to play a truly massive campaign which includes all races from all games.


But we'll see, it's only a few months off now and there's not much point preordering this early until we know what's coming out with it anyway.
   
 
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