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 Arschbombe wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Seemingly most people in the hobby these days are here to obssess over the GW HR and legal departments rather than the game.


You mean this as an indictment of the playerbase, but maybe it's more of an indictment of the game?


Not really, this topic has 0 impact on the game for the largest majority of people. In fact the only people this impacts are those offered NDA's which is an extreme minority.

Yet the wider playerbase is here slamming Google responses about things they're not familiar with like they're going to bring down the firm.
   
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So NornQueen on twitter has posted a strong debunking of this, although not 100%.



This is going to take awhile to explain but I'm going to do my best. The NDA that was released from spikybits and reddit is fake. The Font is all wrong and misaligned with a lot added to it that does not make any sense.
So lets dive into it. This part below is made up.



There is no stop point for 2.1.1. This is also added and fake. This is also very poorly written.



2.1.2 is off center and suppose to be 2.1.1.
All of 4 - 4.1.5 is fake and is poorly written with grammatical errors within legal documents. This was something I studied in college.
All the numbers after are 1 off.
Also they are all signed when they are given out.

Conclusion, Stop fear mongering.


Also this!



It just looks bad.



   
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So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.
   
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Well, it being fake would make sense, I think.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Copyright Claims, NDA. Not exclusive to GW, really rather common in many industries.



Right. This forum covers the defense and music industries so often /s.

Also. EA? Lootbox have become common practice in the gaming infustry. Got a gak ton of flak.

Cyberpunk? Had issues regsrding review tampering (which is something touched upon in this thread) and... it got a ton of flak.

Additionally, the fact that those practices are common, does not make them good. But that is more an issur with late stage capitalism.



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though this being a possible fake is grounds for relieve. So i will tap out til something more pops out, if at all.

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.

if they write their legal documents like they write the gaming books, I would go with the first option

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 kodos wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.

if they write their legal documents like they write the gaming books, I would go with the first option

GW doesn't screw their margins up at least. Anyone who isn't making documents in MS Paint shouldn't be able to do that these days.
   
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Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.

if they write their legal documents like they write the gaming books, I would go with the first option

GW doesn't screw their margins up at least. Anyone who isn't making documents in MS Paint shouldn't be able to do that these days.


Looking at Warhammer logo

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.

if they write their legal documents like they write the gaming books, I would go with the first option

GW doesn't screw their margins up at least. Anyone who isn't making documents in MS Paint shouldn't be able to do that these days.


Looking at Warhammer logo

That was intentional to make it match the old one.
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
So either GW legal has terrible copy editing or it's a fake.

if they write their legal documents like they write the gaming books, I would go with the first option

GW doesn't screw their margins up at least. Anyone who isn't making documents in MS Paint shouldn't be able to do that these days.


Looking at Warhammer logo

That was intentional to make it match the old one.


I dont pretend to know their intentions... but I think your right. Funny nevertheless.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

Perhaps. But we never see GW's margins all jacked up normally. Additionally, the wrong font? As someone who spent years working in an office typing stuff up the idea that they'd use different fonts at any point is unheard of.
   
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There is certainly House Style.

However, I don’t think we’ve seen what the font should look like in this thread, so treat that with a pinch of salt.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

Perhaps. But we never see GW's margins all jacked up normally. Additionally, the wrong font? As someone who spent years working in an office typing stuff up the idea that they'd use different fonts at any point is unheard of.

this is a common problem if people working on the same document from different stations, like our desktop stations cannot change such setting while you can on the laptops
so that one is adding a text in Calibre while the rest of the document is Arial happens a lot but is usually checked for those errors before converted to pdf and send out

same as adding pictures with text to a document, specially from Excel as the different versions of office can mess things up

going by "normal" office problems of big companies and how GW doing books, there is more evidence that this NDA is real and not a fake (as someone making a fake usually works more professional, we have seen such things for Armybooks/Codex leaks back in the old days were the evidence for the fake was the lack of errors/typos)

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 kodos wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

Perhaps. But we never see GW's margins all jacked up normally. Additionally, the wrong font? As someone who spent years working in an office typing stuff up the idea that they'd use different fonts at any point is unheard of.

this is a common problem if people working on the same document from different stations, like our desktop stations cannot change such setting while you can on the laptops
so that one is adding a text in Calibre while the rest of the document is Arial happens a lot but is usually checked for those errors before converted to pdf and send out

same as adding pictures with text to a document, specially from Excel as the different versions of office can mess things up

going by "normal" office problems of big companies and how GW doing books, there is more evidence that this NDA is real and not a fake (as someone making a fake usually works more professional, we have seen such things for Armybooks/Codex leaks back in the old days were the evidence for the fake was the lack of errors/typos)

Legal dept =/= studio team.
   
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So is the consensus finally that this is a fake? Is the rage and hate posting all done? Or would anyone like to call me a shill again?
   
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 Gert wrote:
So is the consensus finally that this is a fake? Is the rage and hate posting all done? Or would anyone like to call me a shill again?


It can't possibly be fake GW can't format or write text to save their life and all of their documents screw the community, families and kill an orphan. /s

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

Perhaps. But we never see GW's margins all jacked up normally. Additionally, the wrong font? As someone who spent years working in an office typing stuff up the idea that they'd use different fonts at any point is unheard of.


Formatting aside, someone pointed out that they suddenly switch from using "Games Workshop Limited" to "GW" without defining who that is. That's a pretty big mistake for a legal document.
   
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Like I said, people who really have something against GW should definitely go to a way better thread with stronger base to use their arguments.

"GW people don't know how to write ! See their rules!" is really a poor justification when the more likely explanation should be "it's just a fake, dude". Why would someone do this ? I guess for same reasons some did make convincing fakes of codex / army book's "leaked pages" on rumors in the old time, when Warhammer Community wasn't around...

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 xttz wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or it’s an artefact of converting a document to PDF.

At work, I do my letters in Word. When they go out, the system converts it to PDF. We quite often get…..interesting rejigging of layout through no fault of my own.

Perhaps. But we never see GW's margins all jacked up normally. Additionally, the wrong font? As someone who spent years working in an office typing stuff up the idea that they'd use different fonts at any point is unheard of.


Formatting aside, someone pointed out that they suddenly switch from using "Games Workshop Limited" to "GW" without defining who that is. That's a pretty big mistake for a legal document.


Depends….if the first use is Games Workshop Ltd (GW), then that’s pretty normal. Abbreviations can be used, but need that initial definition first.

So…if we were entering into a Contract, it might read. “Mad Doc Grotsnik (I) agree to give Xttz (You) a half dozen Hamsters”, allowing the parties to be deferred to as I and You from there on in, providing its capitalised.


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 Gert wrote:
So is the consensus finally that this is a fake? Is the rage and hate posting all done? Or would anyone like to call me a shill again?


I can’t resist a challenge.

You’re a snail.

Arses.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Depends….if the first use is Games Workshop Ltd (GW), then that’s pretty normal. Abbreviations can be used, but need that initial definition first.


Absolutely. And since this is not the case in the "leaked NDA document", we can make our own conclusions from this fact.
   
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It’s also worth noting that under British Contract Law, if a word isn’t defined in a contract, it’s taken to have its “natural meaning”.

So there’s often a glossary of specified terms for folk to more easily refer to.

How do I know this? Through my profession.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
“Mad Doc Grotsnik (I) agree to give Xttz (You) a half dozen Hamsters”


Agreed and signed.
   
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Excellent. Shame it doesn’t specify when I need to provide them by!

You busy in 4382?

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 PetitionersCity wrote:
So NornQueen on twitter has posted a strong debunking of this, although not 100%.



This is going to take awhile to explain but I'm going to do my best. The NDA that was released from spikybits and reddit is fake. The Font is all wrong and misaligned with a lot added to it that does not make any sense.
So lets dive into it. This part below is made up.



There is no stop point for 2.1.1. This is also added and fake. This is also very poorly written.



2.1.2 is off center and suppose to be 2.1.1.
All of 4 - 4.1.5 is fake and is poorly written with grammatical errors within legal documents. This was something I studied in college.
All the numbers after are 1 off.
Also they are all signed when they are given out.

Conclusion, Stop fear mongering.


Also this!



It just looks bad.




I know it‘s shocking, but I see stuff like that fairly often in real legal documents. Imho just shows that stuff is done too quickly.

And these types of documents develop a life of their own once the template has been released by Legal. Nobody then bothers to go through the text again and again to clean it up.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Excellent. Shame it doesn’t specify when I need to provide them by!

You busy in 4382?


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They’ve already credited photos I took at a Warhammerfest to someone else, and then said nice things about the Loot Group….bring it!

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I don't really see what all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is about, but at the same time "Ah-ha! The formatting is slightly off on this page!" doesn't seem like quite the dramatic 5th act reveal some are making it out to be.

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