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The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores


this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.

and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...
   
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 Black Nexus wrote:
The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores


this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.

and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...


Yep.



As I said, you may be able to get it now, but without the extras. Add in all the other goodies which ship later and in my opinion the Kickstarter package was the way to go, even if it is a couple weeks later on the initial delivery.

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Phanobi






Canada,Prince Edward Island

Please lets non turn this into another zombiecide whine fest! Please!

Personally the ks work out faster for me anyway seeing as the is not wargaming store on this island so I have to order everything online already.

   
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In a van down by the river

Hmmmmm.

1) Get vanilla box set at retail price on Monday.

2) Wait until Wednesday to get the box, most of the Season 1 MVPs (and many the stores won't see for a while; the reason the KS shipment wasn't first was waiting for them), upgraded boards, signed extras and all paid for at essentially wholesale prices when more of the game's models are released.

Yes, clearly the first option is MUCH smarter...
   
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West Midlands (UK)

 Black Nexus wrote:
The first shipment to backers doesn't include anything that isn't already in the stores


this isn't correct... stores aren't getting the MVPs yet, they don't get the signed stuff, the acrylic pitches, the strike inserts, the exclusive counters etc etc. all of these are being shipped in the first batch.

and you were warned you might see it on a shelf before it arrived they told us it all shipped at the same time. the update is pretty clear about it...


Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disc respectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.

But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spend cash yet.

   
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Canada,Prince Edward Island

 Zweischneid wrote:


Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.

But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spent cash yet.


Come on now, it has been said already, the only reason we don't have the set sent already is because of the extras we are getting! By all means buy a copy from a store and sell your kickstarter one but the rest of us can wait a week to get ours. Thanks!

   
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 Zweischneid wrote:


Just because the update is clear doesn't mean it isn't disc respectful to the people who put their money up front to fund the production of the game in the first place.

But they already have the backer's money, so I guess Mantic just thought they can go themselves, while it is out courting those who haven't spend cash yet.


Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.

Additionally, the stores don't pay money for the product they sell? Distributors aren't vital business partners to Mantic? Both of those parts of the supply chain weren't directly screwed by the loss of 2600 customers who bought at prices the stores/distributors couldn't possibly compete with? Think there might be a few bridges they'd like to keep from completely burning down there? Mantic honored their commitments to stores who had signed up to host events, which is no less of a commitment than any KS backer when you consider shelf space and staff labor, and to their distributors.

If Mantic needed us to fund the initial set, hadn't said anything before the boxes started showing up at stores and were indeed the same boxes as the backers were being sent, your position would be entirely justified. Given that exactly none of those things are actually true, you can see why folks are not lining up alongside you.

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^ Case closed.

   
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Chicago

I havent been followed this thread at all, or following the updates on the kickstarter...when should I be expecting all the goodies to arrive?


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UK

Orders for the basic box started shipping last week

Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)

order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates

 
   
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Chicago

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Orders for the basic box started shipping last week

Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)

order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates


Outstanding, so as I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?


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 ironicsilence wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Orders for the basic box started shipping last week

Orders for Striker should be going out this week (some MVPs were being waited on)

order was to begin with AUS, then USA finally EU to ensure they hit royal mail Xmas Shipping dates


Outstanding, so as I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?


That'd be on the early part of the spectrum I'd imagine; shipping volume this time of year, customs and all that jazz. It COULD arrive next week, and I'd be quite happy for that to be the case, but I'd expect it more on the week of the 17th.
   
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Chicago

That would work too, as you can expect from my complete disregard for tracking progress, im not to bothered about waiting another week or two


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West Midlands (UK)

 Krinsath wrote:

Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.


So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?

   
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College Park, MD

 Zweischneid wrote:
 Krinsath wrote:

Because a board game can clearly be created in the quantity of about 3000 units and received from suppliers in two months; this is a completely realistic and possible scenario. Or, it's more likely that the core Dreadball set has actually been in production for much longer meaning the game was not funded through the KickStarter so much as the further items in the range.


So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?


That's what it looks like to me (on Mantic's part, not putting words into Krinsath's mouth.) Same as BTP. Same as Wyrd's RPG. Same as Amanda Palmer's album. Same as probably a bunch of other things, but I'm going to refrain from taking guesses on projects I didn't really follow. At best, the Kickstarter allowed Mantic to put out a better game sooner than they otherwise would have been able to.

Mantic takes on less risk by getting crowdfunding instead of taking out a loan or spending capital, backers take on the risk in exchange for a better deal on the end product. Seems reasonable to me.

 
   
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In a van down by the river

 Zweischneid wrote:

So what you are saying is that Mantic pulled a Blue Table here and didn't actually fund the game through Kickstarter, but merely used Kickstarter as an advertising/pre-order tool for a game that would be releases either way?


Did the KickStarter fund Dreadball the game? Clearly not; Mantic was going to release Dreadball regardless of the KickStarter. The Dreadball that would have been released would have been very different, however. The Orx and Humans would have been the only plastic teams, Veer-myn and Forge Fathers (and one would imagine later teams) would have been metal. KickStarter allowed them to go fully plastic, as well as have the funding to ensure that the next two seasons will be plastic as well.

That's a major improvement for the customers brought about by the KickStarter. That was more the goal, to improve the product offering beyond what they could have reasonably done working with traditional investors. At the same time, they provided people willing to front the money to make that a reality a very steep discount. My pledge got me a 50% discount on retail, which is not a minor amount. Striker in particular was an excellent savings.

To say "we made Dreadball happen" is untrue. To say "we made DreadBall a categorically better product for everyone for at least the next year" is more accurate.
   
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UK

Dreadball the game was coming, (Box, 4 MVPs, 2 additional teams)

however the KS did everything else, all the other teams, all the MVPs, the hex bases, the t-shirts, the dice, the pitches, and the additional seasons

(while you could say they'd have been done eventually anyway if the KS had bombed I actually doubt it, that would have been a clear sign the game was not going anywhere and Mantic would have been crazy to invest any futher in it)

I think it's no different to funding an art instalation: are you saying an artist would not be inspired to create without KS cash ?

No the creation of the KS project itself would involve creative thought having already been done (and in fact it has to be done, you can't go give me cash to do 'art' and say nothing else,

KS money goes to the non-creative extras in art projects, materials, hire of rehersal space, permits, time to refine the idea, publicity, polishing the original idea etc

without the KS the creative spark has happened, the artist has an idea of where they want to go, but is the KS fails you dont get the sculpture in a park or whatever

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Bristol

looks like stuff shipped friday with everything else shipping this week.

I'm in the US would I be crazy for thinking I should get stuff next week?


possible.
   
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Richmond, VA

A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!

What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!

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College Park, MD

 judgedoug wrote:
A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!

What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!


Honestly? I think it's just a little good natured boredom-inspired trolling. As far as I can tell Mantic is running a pretty good project here, and if they launch another Kickstarter I'll almost certainly back it based on how this one was run. (Unless it's for something I don't care for, of course. I will not be backing the funding of an All-Nude Men of Mantic calendar.)

 
   
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Richmond, VA

 Lansirill wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
A lot of QQ'ing because Dreadball's promised delivery is December 2012 for some pledgers and January 2013 for others... and they're ALL shipping right NOW, including MVP's that we weren't supposed to get til next year? So _everyone_ is getting their stuff on time or early, with a pile of early extras?!

What am I missing?! Should Ronnie and Jake come around to each backer's backside and give each bum cheek a little peck? Seriously?!


Honestly? I think it's just a little good natured boredom-inspired trolling. As far as I can tell Mantic is running a pretty good project here, and if they launch another Kickstarter I'll almost certainly back it based on how this one was run. (Unless it's for something I don't care for, of course. I will not be backing the funding of an All-Nude Men of Mantic calendar.)


I dunno. Mantic is like the only wargame/miniatures KS delivering on time (and early actually), but there's a handful of some weirdly hateful people. Almost like they've been planted to sow dischord... dun dun dunnnn

I might not support that KS either, unless the stretch goals were piles and piles of free miniatures, which they seem to be pretty good at doing Plus you know you want a pinup of Orcy in his Birthday Suit

Seriously though the Warpath KS is probably gonna be huge, especially if they wait until the last backer gets their last KoW stretch goal, on time or early. Mantic is riding high on a tidal wave of goodwill and great publicity right now. I can imagine a well designed Warpath KS with tons of great sculpts, and awesome concept drawings, will hit 2 mil easily. Even though I'm not a fan of the current incarnation of Warpath rules, I'll still pledge for some cool sci fi figures.

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Not a fan of the head, but the rest is great

   
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UK

Looks promising

(but needs a bit of cleanup, guess they may do that at the master stage)

The camera angle makes the arms look different widths (hopefully the camera)

The head is good, but pretty 'heroic' in scale, but will probably work better when painted

 
   
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SoCal

Finally, a good female sculpt from Mantic.

(Assuming the arms are not different widths.)

   
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Phanobi






Canada,Prince Edward Island

Glad I bought a female team now!

   
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In a van down by the river

I think the arms are the same, it's just a really bad angle. If you look annoying closely at the right arm near the fist you can see black through there where the shoulder pad ends and get an idea of the actual thickness of the arm. Might not be exact, but it's close enough.
   
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Looks good to me! And I like the pink official colorscheme... I haven't figured out what color I want to do yet.

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Sister looks like she's gonna de-res Wildcard on her lunch break.

   
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Melbourne .au

 Zweischneid wrote:
Saw the game in a store yesterday, but still haven't gotten my shipment.
Pretty lame.
I guess for future Mantic KS, it'll be safer to wait for the release in stores than back the campaign. You'll get your stuff faster


They should have just delayed everything and shipped it in January, yah?

   
 
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