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5 man load out will likely be:

Champion - Plasma Gun, Powerfist, Knife (for strat)
Marine - Plasma Gun, Knife
Marine - Blight Launcher, Knife
Marine - Flail, Knife
Marine - Cleaver, Knife

Gives you 3 WS4 S8 AP3 D2 attacks, 3 WS4 S8 AP3 Dd6 attacks and 6 WS3 S6 AP2 D2 attacks. But you also get 2 24" BS3 S7 AP3 D1 and 2 24" BS3 S6 AP2 D2 in shooting.

Some chance of swapping in Melta for the Plasma. I don't think you take the Heavy and Normal plague flamers.

You can't get more shooting but could swap one of the shooters for more melee (Mace, Knife) and add 3 WS4 S6 AP1 D3 attacks. The AP is the reason it isn't great. You will probably pull the shooters first as you take casualties, they are just very well equipped ablative wounds.

The 10 man version is the same Champ, then 2 x each of the 5 man's Marines and most likely the Mace as the 10th.

The Icon is not worth it and the Sigil is for bolters and we don't want those!

EightFoldPath wrote:
5 man load out will likely be:

Champion - Plasma Gun, Powerfist, Knife (for strat)
Marine - Plasma Gun, Knife
Marine - Blight Launcher, Knife
Marine - Flail, Knife
Marine - Cleaver, Knife

Gives you 3 WS4 S8 AP3 D2 attacks, 3 WS4 S8 AP3 Dd6 attacks and 6 WS3 S6 AP2 D2 attacks. But you also get 2 24" BS3 S7 AP3 D1 and 2 24" BS3 S6 AP2 D2 in shooting.

Some chance of swapping in Melta for the Plasma. I don't think you take the Heavy and Normal plague flamers.

You can't get more shooting but could swap one of the shooters for more melee (Mace, Knife) and add 3 WS4 S6 AP1 D3 attacks. The AP is the reason it isn't great. You will probably pull the shooters first as you take casualties, they are just very well equipped ablative wounds.

The 10 man version is the same Champ, then 2 x each of the 5 man's Marines and most likely the Mace as the 10th.

The Icon is not worth it and the Sigil is for bolters and we don't want those!

I think the load out above seems about right. I am tempted to drop the cleaver for the heavy flamer but not sure that is optimal. For 105 pts this is a really great unit. I think between 4 and 6 5 man units is the basis of an army.

I personally think going full on melee and reserve Plasma only for the champion while maybe using Blight Launchers is the target. Blight Launchers are assault so you can run while still shooting with them. I get the feeling we want to run those squads to get them into melee sooner rather than later.

Honestly I am just tempted to have 4-6 10 man squads with:

Plague Champion with Fist, Sword and Plasma
2x w/Blight Launcher
2x w/Bubotic Axe
2x w/Flail
2x w/ Cleaver
1x w/Mace and Axe

Oh didn't realise the Spewer (the heavy flamer) could be taken alongside the Blight Launcher and Plasma. Still not a fan.

I'm not sure about Bubotic Axe's vs. Plasma (or Melta), the melee fights where your 2 Flails, 2 Cleavers, 1 Mace and 1 Fist don't get the job done and the 2 Axes actually matters are probably small in number. I think the amount of turns Plasma/Melta might do something useful will be a little higher.


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Plus they don't currently cost 10 points, I'm getting all my free points, not just half of them!

Had a mini 1000pt tournament at weekend.
I just brought a fun force instead of eat face but ended up playing chaos knights and imperial knights.

Very difficult to take these on in such small games, but managed to beat the Imperial knights.

Plague skull did some great work for me and against the Imp knights the Landraider (I told you it was just a fun list) did great work too.
Stood up to loads of firepower stalling his knights allowing my deathshroud and LoC to come out and eat them alive.

Truelly with AoC and the points changes I think DG are up at top table now.

Forgive my stupidity but what happens to our CP when we include Mortarion? I've read it multiple times now but I'm really not certain. By my reasoning, we lose 3CP? Can someone please explain it as if you were explaining it to a 12 year old.

 lare2 wrote:
Forgive my stupidity but what happens to our CP when we include Mortarion? I've read it multiple times now but I'm really not certain. By my reasoning, we lose 3CP? Can someone please explain it as if you were explaining it to a 12 year old.

Not much actually.

You get a patrol or battalion detachment, then add a supreme command detachment with Mortarion in it. This will refund your first detachment.

Then you have the option to pay 1 CP to allow him to have a warlord trait. Whenever he would get a warlord trait, he gets all three in the list instead.

In addition, he gets one contagion warlord trait at the start of the game, at no extra cost.

So if I ran a battalion and super heavy detachment with Morty as Warlord it'd only cost me 1CP and I'd have 5CP left to play with in a Strike Force mission? Cheers.

Yes
*supreme command detachment not super heavy detachment for Morty.

you only spend the 1cp on his warlord traits thanks to the free refund:
-Revoltingly Resilient
-Living Plague
-Arch-contaiminator

 Porkandbeans wrote:
Yes
*supreme command detachment not super heavy detachment for Morty.

you only spend the 1cp on his warlord traits thanks to the free refund:
-Revoltingly Resilient
-Living Plague
-Arch-contaiminator

Nice one. The is definitely where I've been going wrong - Supreme Command rather than super heavy. Very much appreciated all.

It seems all quiet on the nurgle front, I guess that's the silence of content now that our army is performing better.

I think I'm finally ready to field my dudes and play in a tournament or something, but I'm still pretty trash when it comes to understanding the current state of the rules.

Should I just familiarize myself with my current codex, rulebook, and latest chapter approved?

 Darkmatter wrote:
It seems all quiet on the nurgle front, I guess that's the silence of content now that our army is performing better.

I think I'm finally ready to field my dudes and play in a tournament or something, but I'm still pretty trash when it comes to understanding the current state of the rules.

Should I just familiarize myself with my current codex, rulebook, and latest chapter approved?

In my experience one of the best ways to get better at the game is to play the game.

Figure out familiarizing later on. Don't overthink it in the start. This gives you a good basis to build further understanding on. Theoretical knowledge is very brittle if you do not know the context to witch it applies.

Looks like soup's back on the menu, boys.

 lare2 wrote:
Looks like soup's back on the menu, boys.

What do you see Nurgle demons doing better than what DG could already do?

Only thing I could see being advantageous for a DG army is Nurglings for pre-game infiltration pressure...

Not really seeing anything else, unless you want to go less terminators (boo) and go more DG deamon engines and a Demon detachment of Soul Grinders (eh).

No idea. Haven't seen the new daemon codex yet.

I have and the news isn't good. Morty is as tanky as a GUO, has better melee, better mobility, 3 warlord traits, and a similar cost. PB's aren't tough, nurglings lost obsec, and there is almost 0 damage 2 or high S attacks.

You can splash 25% of your points as daemons without losing rules, but I fail to see why you'd want to.

Ya looks like nurgle demons where gutted.

Vortenger wrote:
I have and the news isn't good. Morty is as tanky as a GUO, has better melee, better mobility, 3 warlord traits, and a similar cost. PB's aren't tough, nurglings lost obsec, and there is almost 0 damage 2 or high S attacks.

You can splash 25% of your points as daemons without losing rules, but I fail to see why you'd want to.

If you can somehow add 2 nurgle Soulgrinders with cheap HQ into a DG list... I think that'd work!

Nurgle Soulgrinders is prolly the best Nurgle unit.

EDIT: yeah, cant make it work with 2 Soulgrinders, and not sure if it's worth it then.

GW also messed up the nurgle keyword for most FW units, so most units are unavailable to DG again

How would I make work an infantry-heavy army work? What I mean is, an army with lots of Plague Marines, max amount of Possessed, a unit or two of Deathshroud, a unit or two of Blightlords, which is supported by a unit of haulers and a unit of drones with fleshmowers. I'm not interested at the moment in using crawlers and tanks, and I probably won't be using zombies until I convert my own. I was thinking of having a Lord of Contagion, a Terminator sorcerer and daemon prince for HQs (prince is optional).

IMO you kind of need something to take out stuff at range, none of the infantry units can do that.

The only possible way I would see to go forward with infantry only is terminus est, but you need poxwalkers for that.

I´ll echo what Jidmad said, but if you are willing to try such a list without much ranged support or poxwalkers you will need Rhinos. PM´s on foot are too slow and only do meaningful damage in melee, and a list like this will also most likely focus on just outright killing your opponent over playing the objective, so you´ll need the speed.

Was excited to use the Gellerpox models, but ufff those rules are a big let down. I don't need chaos spawn but worse. I guess they're still useful as proxies or conversion fodder.

How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

The number of attacks on his profile coupled with whatever rules are on the Talons.

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

A Daemon Prince has 6 attacks base. Each Talon gives a single extra attack with itself, so if you have two Talons, you'd have 8 attacks at S7 AP-1 D2.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

A Daemon Prince has 6 attacks base. Each Talon gives a single extra attack with itself, so if you have two Talons, you'd have 8 attacks at S7 AP-1 D2.

I'd run the hellsword over talons.... d3 vs d2

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

A Daemon Prince has 6 attacks base. Each Talon gives a single extra attack with itself, so if you have two Talons, you'd have 8 attacks at S7 AP-1 D2.

Thank you.

I can see where my confusion comes from. I've just checked the 8th edition codex. The DP used to have 4 attacks and having double talon would add 3. The talons aren't the best in 9th then.


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 Sazzlefrats wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

A Daemon Prince has 6 attacks base. Each Talon gives a single extra attack with itself, so if you have two Talons, you'd have 8 attacks at S7 AP-1 D2.

I'd run the hellsword over talons.... d3 vs d2

Built him in 8th. I'd definitely be choosing something else if I was building him now.

 Sazzlefrats wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
How many attacks does a daemon Prince with 2 talons make?

JNA Productions: A Daemon Prince has 6 attacks base. Each Talon gives a single extra attack with itself, so if you have two Talons, you'd have 8 attacks at S7 AP-1 D2.

Sazzlefrats: I'd run the hellsword over talons.... d3 vs d2

Iare2:Built him in 8th. I'd definitely be choosing something else if I was building him now.

Hey all, I’m just getting into 40k and I really enjoy the Death Guard lore and aesthetic wise. However, I also enjoy using more shooty units on the tabletop. I’m thinking of purchasing some Blight Haulers and Bloat Drones to go along with my 2 units of PMs, but are there any other good ranged DG models currently? Thanks in advance.