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 Shadow Walker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Fair enough, its just kind of amusing they are advertising the CA book this soon.
Then again, I guess it does make sense as they already have a tank to put into it. Though why it's not in the index is beyond me.

What would be the selling point of this book if you had all new toys already in the indexes?

The new tank was released right after the index. In fact the Index isn't technically out yet; the release date is scheduled for June 3rd.
They could have included the tank in the index, and place any new releases from the following 6 months into the Chapter Approved book.
Its actually really odd considering the timing.

The tank will not be in Chapter approved. It will be in the Codex.

It's more than likely because the tank will be in the codex which it would seem is coming up rather quickly after the launch of 8th.

And you base it on what source? Because I can only speculate.

Common sense, would be my guess.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
And you base it on what source? Because I can only speculate.

*shrug* History.

 Kirasu wrote:
They really are trying hard to destroy internal consistency in their setting with vehicles like this.. Where were all these technological advancements hiding? I guess it's nice that a SINGLE previously unknown character magically creates them all in the last year.

Primaris should use everything space marines use since Guilliman is leading them.. you know the guy who wrote the codex astartes.

It actually makes perfect sense... The Imperium's tech was wilfully held back by the admech cult mechanicus religion. They were always capable of vastly higher tech they just stopped themselves lifting so much as a finger to develop it if it didn't already exist or come out of an STC. Being authorised to innovate by a higher power is all the older, more knowledgeable ones with memories from the Mechanicum days to start belting out new designs.

Secondly, Guilliman never meant the Codex to be an immutable, never changing rule set. If you read the Heresy books, it is made clear that he valued adaptation to new data a vital part of his entire methodology. Like the Mechanicus, it is the misinterpretation of tradition and inflexibility that confined the strategies/tech, not any inherent practical block. Guilliman would definitely be 100% in character to adapt and innovate in the face of new circumstances. (One could interpret many inferences about taking old writings verbatim and never seeking to interpret or update to changing realities).

It's a big shift from old 40k, but it is not one that doesn't have plenty of precedent in existing lore.

That new land raider.. I love how they made a meme come true!

They've previewed a new Dreadnought and a new Tank neither of which are in the Index for Primaris marines. This is pretty suggestive of a Codex coming pretty quickly. Same applies to Death Guard.

I can see both dropping in or before July.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
And you base it on what source? Because I can only speculate.

*shrug* History.

Everything they have ever done before with every new edition?

That flying land raider is....ugh. Reminds me of . What it needs is more cowbell . On a serious note and question, in regards to this model, will the existence of this type of grav tank now make it possible to have a Custodes Army with the new 30k grav Custodes vehicles ? I think so!

Having SM codex as first or one of the first each edition is one thing but releasing it shortly after index1? Next year would make sense but not earlier.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Having SM codex as first or one of the first each edition is one thing but releasing it shortly after index1? Next year would make sense but not earlier.

Index 1 is only converting the EXISTING models into 8th edition. Codex Primaris will have the shiny new bling. New players who start with Primaris Marines won't even have to buy index books

Didn't they mention that stats will be included in the new model boxes at some point?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Having SM codex as first or one of the first each edition is one thing but releasing it shortly after index1? Next year would make sense but not earlier.

Index 1 is only converting the EXISTING models into 8th edition. Codex Primaris will have the shiny new bling. New players who start with Primaris Marines won't even have to buy index books

I meant SM codex not purly Primaris one

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Having SM codex as first or one of the first each edition is one thing but releasing it shortly after index1? Next year would make sense but not earlier.

I believe Primaris will be the first codex, and if that's the case then the army will need to be *at least* relatively fleshed out (think the Mechanicus books). They'll probably avoid putting out generic infantry for a little bit until the new intro box has sold significantly, but a number of the Primaris analogs will probably be included. The goal is most likely to have these guys as their own whole army- the transports already only transport Primaris marines, so they're on track for this.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:

Frankly, it needs less missile pods.
That's saying something, coming from a Tau player.
The turret, cupola and the co-axial systems are really cool, but there are too many random missile pods that look forced on.

It would appear the Imperium is now comparing design notes with Cobra.

Oaka wrote:

So this is a preview of a product that will be made to fix the problems in a product that hasn't been released yet?

I see it more as admitting that they no there will be things missed in playtesting and letting the players know they plan to fix the issues.

The twitch channel is confusing when it comes to making saves. The Pox caster got hit twice with overcharged Plasma. He had to make 4 saves? Because 2 hits at 2 damage means 4 saves?

But then they went to say that 2 hits means 2 saves and if you fail 1, then you get 2 resilient saves.... So do you save per hit? Or per damage?

 Zewrath wrote:
That new land raider.. I love how they made a meme come true!

This is why we need to stop making joke posts of crazy army combos and vehicle wish listing. GW might very well take the worst idea and make it a reality.

Save is per hit, stuff like FnP is per damaga

 nintura wrote:
The twitch channel is confusing when it comes to making saves. The Pox caster got hit twice with overcharged Plasma. He had to make 4 saves? Because 2 hits at 2 damage means 4 saves?

But then they went to say that 2 hits means 2 saves and if you fail 1, then you get 2 resilient saves.... So do you save per hit? Or per damage?

He didn't have an armor save. Disgunstingly resilient is 5+ for *each* wound suffered. He suffered 4 and so made 4 saves.

Ragnar69 wrote:
Save is per hit, stuff like FnP is per damaga

Ok, figured that's what it was as it made more sense. Guess it was just confusing to hear.

 Accolade wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Having SM codex as first or one of the first each edition is one thing but releasing it shortly after index1? Next year would make sense but not earlier.

I believe Primaris will be the first codex, and if that's the case then the army will need to be *at least* relatively fleshed out (think the Mechanicus books). They'll probably avoid putting out generic infantry for a little bit until the new intro box has sold significantly, but a number of the Primaris analogs will probably be included. The goal is most likely to have these guys as their own whole army- the transports already only transport Primaris marines, so they're on track for this.

There's a post several pages back. There's pics comparing the Primaris booklet in the starter box with the full Primaris codex that is coming out after the starter. There's differences in the two... The Primaris full codex is already made and will most likely be out in July (?)....

They just confirmed that if you're 9" out, Flamers don't get to overwatch.

 nintura wrote:
The twitch channel is confusing when it comes to making saves. The Pox caster got hit twice with overcharged Plasma. He had to make 4 saves? Because 2 hits at 2 damage means 4 saves?

But then they went to say that 2 hits means 2 saves and if you fail 1, then you get 2 resilient saves.... So do you save per hit? Or per damage?

Normal Saves and Invulnerable Saves are against successful To Wounds (or hits, as you put it).
Disgustingly Resilient rolls (since they aren't technically saves) and the like are taken against Wounds Suffered - or Damage.

Ragnar69 wrote:
Save is per hit, stuff like FnP is per damaga

Not sure how Disgustingly Resilient is worded, but Tau Stimulant Injectors (our FnP) specifically calls out wounds, not damage. Anytime a model with Stim suffers a wound or mortal wound, roll a D6. On a 6, that wound is ignored. So unless Nurgle FnP is worded completely differently, new FnP is rolled for the wound, not the damage. If you make the roll you ignore any damage you would take from the wound, if you fail you take full damage.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:

Ragnar69 wrote:
Save is per hit, stuff like FnP is per damaga

Not sure how Disgustingly Resilient is worded, but Tau Stimulant Injectors (our FnP) specifically calls out wounds, not damage. Anytime a model with Stim suffers a wound or mortal wound, roll a D6. On a 6, that wound is ignored. So unless Nurgle FnP is worded completely differently, new FnP is rolled for the wound, not the damage. If you make the roll you ignore any damage you would take from the wound, if you fail you take full damage.

DR is "each time a model loses a wound" which happens after you roll for/assign damage. They played it correctly. If you hit with a D3 damage weapon, you assign the hit, they make their save, you roll for damage and get a 2, 2 wounds are assigned, you roll Stim/DR twice to prevent those wounds.

Edit: ignore me

Twitch says in matched play most people will likely roll individual D3/D6 damage wounds one at a time Vs multi-wound models.

Ok, so even if you fail your charge, you dont move like I had thought back when these spoilers all came out.