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 Hollow wrote:
Why would a single kit have the diversity of an entire range?



You're right. I should have deleted out the command figures from the total, but even so there's no apples-to-apples comparison because the Squats weren't replaced with plastic ranges.

How about Eldar Guardians? One plastic box replaced 47 different metal sculpts (27 RT-era models that are pretty much guardians, 20 late RT-era hybrid models that needed plastic arms).

Or more on-topic: orks. In the RT-era we had 69 metal ork boyz (and a plastic box of 36 boyz of limited variety). The second edition range was a bit of a mess with about three different sculpts for each clan (18 sculpts + about 10 nobz). In 3rd edition we got the plastic box that's more or less the same as today's boyz.

Anyway, really my point was that at one time, one of the great advantages of the grand shift to plastic model kits was supposed to be the variety of models you could build from them. And yet here we are back to monopose models, but now much fewer in number and variety than the metal monopose models of yesteryear.



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Not Online!!! wrote:
Also lol TS before CSM again.

and lol at every faction will get it's time in the sun...


"Getting it's time in the sun" includes launching an entire faction into it.

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A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
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Love the new orks, but a part of me is pretty dissapointed that even in a pic with only 20 lads you could already painfully see the duplicate models. Somewhat concerning.
   
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The new Cadian stuff is a little baffling, really. They're great looking parts and look like they'll add some nice variety, but the idea of just throwing some more parts into the box just seems extremely odd when it's quite an old kit now and the quality of things has improved greatly since it was made.
   
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Monopose is clearly the way GW is going, like it or not. Unless you refuse to buy them and make it clear via feedback it's because they are monopose, they have no reason to change their approach. They're selling more currently than they can ship, they have no reason to go out of their way to try to provide you more options.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Danny76 wrote:
 ceorron wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The army box looks greatly ETB.

Do you think there will be a multipart relase of all of them kits later down the line like with Sisters and CSM.


They said yes in the video.


Unsure. They didn’t say that.
They said these models will get a release down the line, not multipart versions.
Could go either way..

It's a Lumineth army set. That was the comparison used. It's individual kits, bundled together, for an early release.

"The only thing exclusive to this box is the cover on the army book."

Quote.
   
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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The new Cadian stuff is a little baffling, really. They're great looking parts and look like they'll add some nice variety, but the idea of just throwing some more parts into the box just seems extremely odd when it's quite an old kit now and the quality of things has improved greatly since it was made.


Not much different than at knights getting an upgrade sprue not long after their first box came out.
   
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Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?

   
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 Jidmah wrote:
So, unsurprisingly the boyz are mono-posed exactly in the way I predicted.

I hope you people whining for new boyz are happy now, you got exactly what you deserved.

Kits that aren't as mindnumbingly tedious to build?

Multipose was pretty much an illusion anyways. Oh man, my Ork looks this way instead of that! Such options! Much wow!

That said, the nob on the squig is rad. I also hope the insane runtherd isn't clan-locked.

The specific statement used, repeatedly, is that he's "a rogue runtherd".
   
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 Crimson wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?


Please don't tempt the powers that be

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Upgrade sprue for the Eldar Falcon.


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angryboy2k wrote:
 Hollow wrote:
Why would a single kit have the diversity of an entire range?



You're right. I should have deleted out the command figures from the total, but even so there's no apples-to-apples comparison because the Squats weren't replaced with plastic ranges.

How about Eldar Guardians? One plastic box replaced 47 different metal sculpts (27 RT-era models that are pretty much guardians, 20 late RT-era hybrid models that needed plastic arms).

Or more on-topic: orks. In the RT-era we had 69 metal ork boyz (and a plastic box of 36 boyz of limited variety). The second edition range was a bit of a mess with about three different sculpts for each clan (18 sculpts + about 10 nobz). In 3rd edition we got the plastic box that's more or less the same as today's boyz.

Anyway, really my point was that at one time, one of the great advantages of the grand shift to plastic model kits was supposed to be the variety of models you could build from them. And yet here we are back to monopose models, but now much fewer in number and variety than the metal monopose models of yesteryear.



Its been a big loss in therms of unique minis and the grand argument was, you know, metal is very expensive and plastics are very very cheap... (similar argument was Finecast is the best ever thing, a revolution) Some arguments stick others fall short.
For a reason metal miniatures were small scaled and packed with micro detail and textures, that is long gone, now you have flat, clean, huge surfaces and minis increasing in size. Those metal days are long gone in GW. Sorry for tangent.
20 or so years from now I will have my metal minis like little trophies of craftsmanship in a display... and plastics on a cardbox hidden away.
Sorry for tangent. But glad someone remembers that in therms of unique sculpts we have less now and a lot less worth collecting or remembering.

   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?


Please don't tempt the powers that be

Now hold the phone...Khorne Berzerker as an upgrade sprue could work with the new CSM, right?
   
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I hope you people whining for new boyz are happy now, you got exactly what you deserved.


Weren't people asking for "real" new Boyz and not these Prima-Boyz which are tied to a particular subfaction ?
   
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 Crimson wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?

No. An upgrade sprue for the Age of Sigmar Blood Warriors so they can be used as Berserkers

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Danny76 wrote:
 ceorron wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The army box looks greatly ETB.

Do you think there will be a multipart relase of all of them kits later down the line like with Sisters and CSM.


They said yes in the video.


Unsure. They didn’t say that.
They said these models will get a release down the line, not multipart versions.
Could go either way..


Well even if it was multipart it would be just weapon options. Maybe alternative heads for each body(which neccessarly don't fit other bodies)

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 Kanluwen wrote:

Now hold the phone...Khorne Berzerker as an upgrade sprue could work with the new CSM, right?

Yes, definitely.

   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.

You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.


Maybe the full kits will be and these are like the Sisters LTD Ed box?


Sister box doesn't much reduce standing out as they are monoposes as well


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm not concerned with monopose orks in this box. I still have like60 of the ones from black reach which were posable to the degree of rotating a single arm.


The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days


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Selfcontrol wrote:
I hope you people whining for new boyz are happy now, you got exactly what you deserved.


Weren't people asking for "real" new Boyz and not these Prima-Boyz which are tied to a particular subfaction ?


And which subfaction that is? They are no more subfaction locked than buggies or bikers are

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tneva82 wrote:

The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days


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 Jidmah wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Also lol TS before CSM again.

and lol at every faction will get it's time in the sun...


"Getting it's time in the sun" includes launching an entire faction into it.


Yup, and as much i Like some of the new orks , that statement was insulting for guard or the Players of factions that got recently legended....

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And which subfaction that is? They are no more subfaction locked than buggies or bikers are


You know what I meant.

They are not "Boyz". They are "Beast Snaggas Boyz" : different options (they don't seem to have access to shootas or big shootas for example), different datasheet (they are supposed to be "stronger" than regular Boyz) different design and probably more expensive point-wise.
   
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They'll have Beast-Sluggas that are exactly like the normal Sluggas except with -1AP, and Beast Choppas that are...yeah, you guessed it, Choppas with -1AP. +1W, +1A. A bunch of exclusive stratagems.
   
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angryboy2k wrote:
 Agamemnon2 wrote:
That's sadly what I expected. They've moved from from the interchangeable multipose paradigm.


There's a huge irony in this. There was a time where the defenders of GW's ever-increasing prices would say that the new plastic kits, even though they were more expensive than the old metal models, were better because plastic meant a greater variety of modeling options and your army would ultimately look better and more diverse than ever before.

But numerically, this never made sense. The Squat range (yes, the Squats! The ones that disappeared in 2nd edition, though not before getting a multipart plastic kit of their own) had 145 individual metal infantry models in the original RT range (excluding Chaos squats, guys on bikes/trikes, and the very rare 2nd edition squats). Good luck getting 145 different models out of any plastic kit, let alone the current monopose ones...

^ an absurdly bad faith take

If you look at this image ... http://www.solegends.com/citrt2/rt302squatcmd/fly8801r3-rt302x-01.jpg ... and see 12 "individual" models instead of 4, your brain's a-jumbled.

Trying to claim metal miniatures as unique when they're all based on the same foundation and only have variation in their heads, weapons, accessories, etc. is ridiculous. It's particularly ridiculous when you use that canard as a means of going in on monopose models, since, hilariously, monopose models are only usually able to be differentiated by.... heads, weapons, accessories, etc.
   
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 Crimson wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?


Dear me, don't give them ideas....
   
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Tiberias wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, except that the Cadians are much older, and were bad even when they were released.

Upgrade sprue for the Khorne Berserkers next?


Dear me, don't give them ideas....


It would help....drive them even more bloodthirsty!
   
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 Altruizine wrote:

^ an absurdly bad faith take

If you look at this image ... http://www.solegends.com/citrt2/rt302squatcmd/fly8801r3-rt302x-01.jpg ... and see 12 "individual" models instead of 4, your brain's a-jumbled.

Trying to claim metal miniatures as unique when they're all based on the same foundation and only have variation in their heads, weapons, accessories, etc. is ridiculous. It's particularly ridiculous when you use that canard as a means of going in on monopose models, since, hilariously, monopose models are only usually able to be differentiated by.... heads, weapons, accessories, etc.


The command models for squats were obviously done in threes from the same base models. But please take a look at a larger view of the range:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Squat_-_Collectors_Guide

The variety is FAR greater than that provided by multipart kits. If you wish to continue to believe that multipart plastics provided more variety than the old metal ranges, knock yourself out. I'll continue to disagree.

As an aside, back in the day it was far easier for Citadel to add a bunch of new models to a range. If one of their sculptors bashed out a bunch of new greens they could be easily and cheaply molded and put into productions. Plastic production is much more rigid and it leaves you with situations like the Cadian one, where we've waited 18 years for... yeah, an upgrade sprue.

I should have used this example in the first place, but Imperial Guard: go and take a look at the variety in RT Imperial Guard and then consider how that lines up against the Cadian multipart kit.
55 individuals in this list:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Imperial_Army_-_Up_to_the_1988_Catalogue
and a similar number here although a bunch of these (maybe all) are repeats - I've not checked them all:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Imperial_Guard_-_1988_to_1994

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Oof.

The Cadian sprues are terrible, whoever greenlit that needs to be canned asap. Feels like kick to the nuts for guard players.

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