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Voss wrote:
Sigh. It doesn't actually prevent the model (or future Fomorians) from being 'Formoroid Adjectivenoun Verbnouner'

The issue is it sounds horrible, and despite what their IP department thinks, the model is still clearly derivative from folktales (giant misshapen humanoid with a covered single eye? When folktale fomorians are giant misshapen humanoids and the most famous individual has a single eye that blasts and/or curses people?).

So making it sound stupid doesn't actually fulfill the intended purpose.

I'd much rather have more ripperdactyls and bloodsecrators.
At least someone was trying to be clever, even if they failed.


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I wonder why they're discontinuing the starter so quickly? Doesn't exactly inspire potential buy-in

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Not sure i'm a fan of how this game is being handled, kinda regret buying in. Game has 3 books now in less than four months. Does the monsters/mercs book have rules for this new one eyed monster or the new book?

The spire tyrants look good to me though. They showed off only the most basic warrior, which is why he looks a bit bland. I'm sure the champions/leader look better.

 
   
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I dunno, this third book looks like an annual compendium like they did for Blood Bowl and Necromunda. It comes quite fast, I agree, but I guess they had to give these card profiles for those who weren't unlucky to get them while they were still available...

At the very least, it feels like the card system for Warcry didn't last long. Oh well, I'd rather have all the profiles/rules in a good old book anyway.

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Voss wrote:
That was unexpected.

'Fomoroid' is honestly one of the most terrible names they could think up, even by AoS wacky name standards, but the model is excellent. All sorts of implications about what's going on there- I assumed it's 'fimir' as engineered mutation/grafting.

Etymologically weird to recast some of the concept they tacked onto 'fimir' onto a clear linguistic derivative of 'fomorian' but that's just GW being careless with mythology.



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If the book stays valid for an actual whole year then it's not as bad. But I personally prefer the cards, saves flipping through books. So long as the core chaos warbands continue to carry the cards i'm okay though. I never really had any intention of playing non chaos in this setting.

 
   
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 Maledrakh wrote:
Voss wrote:
That was unexpected.

'Fomoroid' is honestly one of the most terrible names they could think up, even by AoS wacky name standards, but the model is excellent. All sorts of implications about what's going on there- I assumed it's 'fimir' as engineered mutation/grafting.

Etymologically weird to recast some of the concept they tacked onto 'fimir' onto a clear linguistic derivative of 'fomorian' but that's just GW being careless with mythology.



Hemorrhoid.

Once you have seen it you cannot unsee it.


Agreed. The first time I saw that name I thought "Hemorrhoid Crusher? Ok then".
   
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 eohall wrote:
I wonder why they're discontinuing the starter so quickly? Doesn't exactly inspire potential buy-in
It's not that they are discontinuing it, it's that GW tends to do a single big print run of their big boxes that is supposed to last them a while - but really popular boxes sell out really quickly. Since almost everything in the box can be sold separately (just the Ruined City ravaged land and the dice are unavailable otherwise, both optional), there's not a huge need to do a reprint.

More than likely, they will follow Kill Team's lead and produce a new, less desirable starter set in the future. But I think Kill Team was extremely hurt by not having a starter set or most kill zones available, and even now, pretty much the entirety of the Kill Team line (outside of the books) is unavailable.


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 Thargrim wrote:
Not sure i'm a fan of how this game is being handled, kinda regret buying in. Game has 3 books now in less than four months.
Bring it on, I say. I'll never understand people who regret a game which is actively being supported by new releases. You act like you just bought a car and are disappointed you also have to buy gasoline for it, when this is more like your favorite book series getting a new sequel and a collection of novelty vinyl figurines.

Does the monsters/mercs book have rules for this new one eyed monster or the new book?
It does not. However, the rules for big monster battles are in the book, and it's possible you will need the book in order to use him. The monster rules are only two pages though, so it is possible they will be in the new book as well.

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Starter set terrain available separately? New monsters? A warband that looks like updated old school Chaos?

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I feel like any 2019 stat-book would easily stay valid for a full year. Right now only the stock Aetherwing, and Loonboss Mercenary are stupid good for their points. Otherwise the game is excellently balanced.

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 Sqorgar wrote:
 eohall wrote:
I wonder why they're discontinuing the starter so quickly? Doesn't exactly inspire potential buy-in
It's not that they are discontinuing it, it's that GW tends to do a single big print run of their big boxes that is supposed to last them a while - but really popular boxes sell out really quickly. Since almost everything in the box can be sold separately (just the Ruined City ravaged land and the dice are unavailable otherwise, both optional), there's not a huge need to do a reprint.

More than likely, they will follow Kill Team's lead and produce a new, less desirable starter set in the future. But I think Kill Team was extremely hurt by not having a starter set or most kill zones available, and even now, pretty much the entirety of the Kill Team line (outside of the books) is unavailable.

Rumor is that the Kill Teams didn't sell too well. Which is kinda understandable for most of them, as it wasn't until the Manipulus or Kelermorph sets that anybody really had a "WELL I NEED THAT!" drive.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Kill Team itself getting a more WarCry-ish makeover, maybe with some "Kill Team specific" units that also get 40k rules...as right now, barring the AdMech and GSC sets there's nothing really special of the Kill Teams that feature off the shelf units.

Warcry's been a bit different in that you could just buy the faction cards at launch for the non-Chaos factions and use your collection.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

Rumor is that the Kill Teams didn't sell too well. Which is kinda understandable for most of them, as it wasn't until the Manipulus or Kelermorph sets that anybody really had a "WELL I NEED THAT!" drive.
It wasn't until those two models that there was anything new to actually want (well, there was Rogue Trader, which had awesome models, but was kind of half baked as a big box). The faction starters were really aimed at people like me, who didn't already have any 40k models from those factions, but the majority of KT players weren't people like me and they didn't have a lot to look forward to. Regardless, I don't think there has been a new KT release since May(?). The new starter set isn't really a new release.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Kill Team itself getting a more WarCry-ish makeover, maybe with some "Kill Team specific" units that also get 40k rules...as right now, barring the AdMech and GSC sets there's nothing really special of the Kill Teams that feature off the shelf units.
I would love nothing more than KT to get a Warcry makeover, but I feel like if they were going to do that, they would've started with the new starter set. But at the very least, GW needs to port the battleplan cards over to KT.
   
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The whole battleplan cards is a really great idea. It makes game setup much faster and effortlessly easy for beginners and pros alike. Plus I think those plus the deployment cards take out a lot of stress of choosing deployments and that niggling "I lost because I picked the wrong side" stuff.


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 Maledrakh wrote:
Voss wrote:
That was unexpected.

'Fomoroid' is honestly one of the most terrible names they could think up, even by AoS wacky name standards, but the model is excellent. All sorts of implications about what's going on there- I assumed it's 'fimir' as engineered mutation/grafting.

Etymologically weird to recast some of the concept they tacked onto 'fimir' onto a clear linguistic derivative of 'fomorian' but that's just GW being careless with mythology.



Hemorrhoid.

Once you have seen it you cannot unsee it.


This is AoS. It needs a compound linked A/E. Haemorrhoid Bonecrusher.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
 Maledrakh wrote:
Voss wrote:
That was unexpected.

'Fomoroid' is honestly one of the most terrible names they could think up, even by AoS wacky name standards, but the model is excellent. All sorts of implications about what's going on there- I assumed it's 'fimir' as engineered mutation/grafting.

Etymologically weird to recast some of the concept they tacked onto 'fimir' onto a clear linguistic derivative of 'fomorian' but that's just GW being careless with mythology.



Hemorrhoid.

Once you have seen it you cannot unsee it.


This is AoS. It needs a compound linked A/E. Haemorrhoid Bonecrusher.

Christ, it's a giant cyclops. Just call it a Formorian and be done with it.

You mean like in almost every other game?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_mythology_in_popular_culture#Fomoiri

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Or just call the race "Bonecrushers", and every major subtype is listed after that. "Bonecrusher Titan", "Bonecrusher Skirmisher", etc.

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Titan?
Skirmisher?

Far too mundane.

It would have to be a Bonecrusher Gigastomper and a Bonecrusher Swiftsmasher or some other such nonsense.

   
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And yet reality has given us such amazing names for species. A quick google search found the Mustached puffbird, the Red-lipped batfish and the Screaming hairy armadillo amongst others
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
And yet reality has given us such amazing names for species. A quick google search found the Mustached puffbird, the Red-lipped batfish and the Screaming hairy armadillo amongst others


Plus many latin names are much the same, they are simply written in latin so they "sound" more advanced, but often as not might just be a description; often bolted to the name of whoever found them.

Take the Temminck's Tragopan.

The first part of the name commemorates the Dutch naturalist Coenraad Jacob Temminc
The second part refers to the horn, being a composite of tragos (billy goat) and the ribald half-goat deity Pan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragopan

So its basically a horned pheasant named after someone famous.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
 eohall wrote:
I wonder why they're discontinuing the starter so quickly? Doesn't exactly inspire potential buy-in
It's not that they are discontinuing it, it's that GW tends to do a single big print run of their big boxes that is supposed to last them a while - but really popular boxes sell out really quickly. Since almost everything in the box can be sold separately (just the Ruined City ravaged land and the dice are unavailable otherwise, both optional), there's not a huge need to do a reprint.

More than likely, they will follow Kill Team's lead and produce a new, less desirable starter set in the future. But I think Kill Team was extremely hurt by not having a starter set or most kill zones available, and even now, pretty much the entirety of the Kill Team line (outside of the books) is unavailable.

Rumor is that the Kill Teams didn't sell too well. Which is kinda understandable for most of them, as it wasn't until the Manipulus or Kelermorph sets that anybody really had a "WELL I NEED THAT!" drive.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Kill Team itself getting a more WarCry-ish makeover, maybe with some "Kill Team specific" units that also get 40k rules...as right now, barring the AdMech and GSC sets there's nothing really special of the Kill Teams that feature off the shelf units.

Warcry's been a bit different in that you could just buy the faction cards at launch for the non-Chaos factions and use your collection.


WarCry and AoS in general has more scope for skirmish specific units, because everything is pretty new, and the world still unfolding.

40k? Perhaps not so much. Astartes have Scouts and Reivers for that sort of thing. IG Vets and Ratlings, and so on.

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Yeah. To be honest this "Fomoroid Crusher" is probably the most sensible name to have come out since the start of AoS. I don't know why people is arguing so much about it.

Every game that uses the "Fomor-X" formula changes it. And Crusher is... a relatively descriptive and simple adjetive.

I hope is big, so I can use it to proxy the horrible beastmen Cygor or Chaos Gargants.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
I hope is big, so I can use it to proxy the horrible beastmen Cygor or Chaos Gargants.

That may be hard to do outside of your own group, since it will almost assuredly have an AoS warscroll of it's own.

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 Galas wrote:
Yeah. To be honest this "Fomoroid Crusher" is probably the most sensible name to have come out since the start of AoS. I don't know why people is arguing so much about it.

Every game that uses the "Fomor-X" formula changes it. And Crusher is... a relatively descriptive and simple adjetive.

I hope is big, so I can use it to proxy the horrible beastmen Cygor or Chaos Gargants.


Well, luckily it has some human skulls so you should be able to determine how big it is fairly accurately.

Without doing any math, seems to me it's on a 60mm base and as tall as a Contemptor if you count the hair ridge. By shoulder height it should be shorter than that.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
 Maledrakh wrote:
Voss wrote:
That was unexpected.

'Fomoroid' is honestly one of the most terrible names they could think up, even by AoS wacky name standards, but the model is excellent. All sorts of implications about what's going on there- I assumed it's 'fimir' as engineered mutation/grafting.

Etymologically weird to recast some of the concept they tacked onto 'fimir' onto a clear linguistic derivative of 'fomorian' but that's just GW being careless with mythology.



Hemorrhoid.

Once you have seen it you cannot unsee it.


This is AoS. It needs a compound linked A/E. Haemorrhoid Bonecrusher.

Christ, it's a giant cyclops. Just call it a Formorian and be done with it.

You mean like in almost every other game?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_mythology_in_popular_culture#Fomoiri


Yes. Because sticking -oid on the end doesn't change that. It's still clearly based on the Formorian myth.

They might as well have Sigmoids, Orcoids and Elfoids.


 Albino Squirrel wrote:

The issue is it sounds horrible, and despite what their IP department thinks, the model is still clearly derivative from folktales (giant misshapen humanoid with a covered single eye? When folktale fomorians are giant misshapen humanoids and the most famous individual has a single eye that blasts and/or curses people?).

So making it sound stupid doesn't actually fulfill the intended purpose.


What do you think is the intended purpose?

Well, most of the answer is in the bit you quoted- A very sad and ineffectual attempt at IP protection for a model very clearly based on ancient public domain mythology.
Wacky names don't do that job- any company came make bits for orcs or formorians or elves, and GW having their own special names for common fantasy critters doesn't actually help with litigation. If some does a 'heroic scale 28 or 32 mm' model of Balor of the Evil Eye and offers alternate shoulder pads, GW doesn't have grounds for complaint, because he's a mythological figure.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Galas wrote:
I hope is big, so I can use it to proxy the horrible beastmen Cygor or Chaos Gargants.

That may be hard to do outside of your own group, since it will almost assuredly have an AoS warscroll of it's own.


I know no one that has used the proper warscrol of any Warcry or Underworld model in their AoS game. They are 95% of the time used as proxys.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Honestly it all depends on what his warscroll looks like. He won't have the problem that the warbands have where you have to field them according to what comes in the box.

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In fairness the warbands from warcry currently only fit into Slaves to Darkness which is an incomplete non 2.0 faction at present so its not working as it should anyway.

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All joking aside, it really is a cool figure, even though I think the Iron Golems style eye protector looks stupid.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
All joking aside, it really is a cool figure, even though I think the Iron Golems style eye protector looks stupid.


It is a little goofy, but it looks like he took notes from Polyphemus before heading out to battle, to which I say: smart move.

   
 
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