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 lord_blackfang wrote:
GW's loss. 3 months and we'll have plenty of 3d print options, mono and poseable.

Doesn't matter. The 3d print market is already full of these. Still, they don't seem to manage to give the same plastic we enjoy to build. Or aren't as glorious when you print it on your low-cost printer that you can only afford with your salary / space at home.

No, it must be GW holding this 3d print revolution back. Give it just 3 more months !

Like it will change anything, really.

Togusa wrote:
Oof.

The Cadian sprues are terrible, whoever greenlit that needs to be canned asap. Feels like kick to the nuts for guard players.

Is the psychic war another Psychic Awakening book series?

One of those battle boxes by the looks of things; Grey Knights vs Thousand Sons.

Upscaled Grey Knights would be right up my alley. Along with a new Inquisitor and retinue of course.

The Cadian sprue is insulting. Especially since FW used to sell upgrade kits a while back(which are now gone forever like most of the good stuff). Taking something away from us, making it worse and giving it back expecting people to be excited is not fun.

I'm unsure what to think about the upgrade. On one hand it means I wouldn't need to replace my eighteen years work of Cadians and have a few years of half the army looking out of scale next to the new kits (if I bought into them at all). On the other hand, I can't say I'm thrilled we lost the existing FW respirators. Although I don't need to buy anymore, I wonder what the price increase will look like on this box now.

Togusa wrote:

Is the psychic war another Psychic Awakening book series?

Probably a Versus box like Piety and Pain, most likely with the new HQ.

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days

It's never too late to learn. Once you've gotten the hang of it, you can get so much more out of this hobby.
Colour Shaper pens were a fething revelation to me.

off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

I'm split on the Guard upgrade sprue.

On the one hand, I see it as a potentially positive indication that a plastic guard regiment is in fact coming, just not Cadians obviously. I can't say I am all too bothered by this and could actually be a nice way of keeping the Cadian line pretty relevant and redoing Catachans which are far worse sculpts. Or perhaps even an entirely new regiment in plastic.

If nothing develops though, this would be a really disappointing guard update. I'm hopeful this is just an extra and new guard will come with a codex.

 lord marcus wrote:


off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Imagine a brush with a rubber tip. They will adjust to pressure and resistance which makes them great for smoothing out surfaces and creating round shapes (contrary to metal/wooden tools).

I use them extensively to sculpt things like shoulders/armpits/necks whenever I want to cut off a limb and reposition it.

 lord marcus wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days

It's never too late to learn. Once you've gotten the hang of it, you can get so much more out of this hobby.
Colour Shaper pens were a fething revelation to me.

off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Colour shapers are silicone tipped tools which are by far the best things to use as sculpting tool when working with green stuff. They make sculpting far easier because the gs doesn’t stick to the silicone.

The cadians haven't aged as badly as eldar guardians...so at least that's something. I'd rather they kept cadians the same and redid vostroyans/steel legion or something else as part of the range. Would be cool to have multiple regiments with plastic options.

 Thargrim wrote:
The cadians haven't aged as badly as eldar guardians...

Hard disagree. Guardians are boring and samey, but their proportions and overall design is fine.

BertBert wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:


off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Imagine a brush with a rubber tip. They will adjust to pressure and resistance which makes them great for smoothing out surfaces and creating round shapes (contrary to metal/wooden tools).

I use them extensively to sculpt things like shoulders/armpits/necks whenever I want to cut off a limb and reposition it.

Thargrim wrote:The cadians haven't aged as badly as eldar guardians...so at least that's something. I'd rather they kept cadians the same and redid vostroyans/steel legion or something else as part of the range. Would be cool to have multiple regiments with plastic options.

Thank you gents! Exalted you both.

I'm wondering why they are called "colour" shapers, when they are a sculpting tool, but I can do some research and figure it out.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days

It's never too late to learn. Once you've gotten the hang of it, you can get so much more out of this hobby.
Colour Shaper pens were a fething revelation to me.

off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Colour shapers are silicone tipped tools which are by far the best things to use as sculpting tool when working with green stuff. They make sculpting far easier because the gs doesn’t stick to the silicone.

thank you i have just ordered some. why did i not know about these before??

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
At that point they really just should've made a new kit.

Agreed. Still better than nothing.

Often no effort is better then half assed. This just feels like them kicking the can down the road on something they are now tacitly admitting is horridly dated.

Whats next? New Guardian defender heads? lmao

So like...this at least gives them something. What would Eldar and other players say if they did get a new full kit and all the other kits they'd need for the army?

Not Online!!! wrote:
"everyone (faction) will get their time in the sun"

yeah, sure, go feth yourself.

Oh yea...that.



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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The grot is a bit of an afterthought, he could have had a whole little bunker up there.

That might make a weird silhouette though.

At this stage Eldar players would be happy with plastic upgrade sprues if that's all we was getting lol...

Eldar players have been wondering why on earth there isint a shining spear plastic upgrade sprue.. We already have decent plastic jetbikes...

Likewise Id be down for a plstic storm guardian upgrade sprue or another a variant for banshees.

I feel like we need to quell the "New Grey Knights" idea pretty fast.

I could be wrong, but there's a pretty big chance all we're getting is Stern or whoever the grey knight is. No new dreadknight, etc.

It's very rare for GW to do a battle box that introduces something other than a new hero for either side of the boxset. Blood of the Phoenix had four new models total, but we've seen the tzaangor before, so don't hold your breath. d

I think 100 of theseETB beast snagga boyz will look way better than 100 of the current multipose or boys. If the monpose style is a pretty neutral pose it can repeat a bunch and look ok. If multi pose get too far from “as intended” they tend to look bad. Both require a knife and maybe some green stuff to get more variety that looks good.

Either/Or wrote:
I think 100 of theseETB beast snagga boyz will look way better than 100 of the current multipose or boys. If the monpose style is a pretty neutral pose it can repeat a bunch and look ok. If multi pose get too far from “as intended” they tend to look bad. Both require a knife and maybe some green stuff to get more variety that looks good.

I respectfully disagree

So.... orks. Not a shock.
A 'preview' box is... interesting. I guess its a way to split up product demand and rebuild stock for the actual release, so... whatever. I just wish it weren't quite so dull. 2 squads of monopose Better Boyz and a handful of cav. Plus an SC of dubious value (a grot specialist with no grots...)

Megaboss is nice. More to come is hopeful

The shown beastsnaggas being 'only half' of the release is kinda sad, since the beastsnaggas are, at the moment, two kits. I was expecting a bit more (whether counting or not counting the Better Doc, Megaboss and Wortsnagga).
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Cadian upgrade sprue is... nice, I guess? If it doesn't absurdly raise the price of an already overpriced kit.
IMO, though, it brings the hammer down on the idea of new guard.

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Thousand sons vs Grey Knights is kinda interesting.
There's potential there, assuming it isn't just a few character models facing off a Versus Box of old stuff.
Glad to see them added to the lineup of 'Soon' (Summer-ish, probably?) either way.

So snakebites, why don’t they just call them snakebites?

Also the guard upgrade sprue, for old bad models is not what guard players have been waiting for. Knowing GW they won’t sell it separately as well, expecting you to buy a new squad box to get it.

Their creating a bit of bad blood this week. Tomorrow’s surprise better be a good one. (Full sized plastic thunderhawk good!)

 Tamereth wrote:
So snakebites, why don’t they just call them snakebites?

Also the guard upgrade sprue, for old bad models is not what guard players have been waiting for. Knowing GW they won’t sell it separately as well, expecting you to buy a new squad box to get it.

Their creating a bit of bad blood this week. Tomorrow’s surprise better be a good one. (Full sized plastic thunderhawk good!)

Because they’re not Snakebites, and you can use them in any klan.

The Dreadknight in the video looks like it's got a proper armour plate at the front, which is cool.

The Knight looks like Castellan Crow, and appears not to be Primarised. Interesting.

Their creating a bit of bad blood this week. Tomorrow’s surprise better be a good one. (Full sized plastic thunderhawk good!)

Mark my words. Tommorrow's surprise will be unrelated to the tabletop games.

It will be something about animations or TV or even a movie.

They're snakebites if you want them to be

Yeah, I'm expecting that too. They've been closing on the animation a lot in previews. And bringing up new ones rather than announcing a date or platform for the ones they've been going on about for... chaos gods know how long now.

Abaddon303 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The way kits are designed these days rotating arm will likely require cutting and sculpting. Not something i can do. Alas that's just gw style these days

It's never too late to learn. Once you've gotten the hang of it, you can get so much more out of this hobby.
Colour Shaper pens were a fething revelation to me.

off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Colour shapers are silicone tipped tools which are by far the best things to use as sculpting tool when working with green stuff. They make sculpting far easier because the gs doesn’t stick to the silicone.

thank you i have just ordered some. why did i not know about these before??

I don't know and honestly I don't know why GW hasn't rebranded a set of their own. They are awesome tools and a must have for working with putties.

Note they come in many shapes but also 3 colours. Black are the firmest, then grey then white. Of course even the black is very soft and smooth, though working one to the next you can really smooth over a surface. It cuts down on sanding and such a lot.

lord marcus wrote:

BertBert wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:


off topic, but what are color shaper pens?

Imagine a brush with a rubber tip. They will adjust to pressure and resistance which makes them great for smoothing out surfaces and creating round shapes (contrary to metal/wooden tools).

I use them extensively to sculpt things like shoulders/armpits/necks whenever I want to cut off a limb and reposition it.

Thargrim wrote:The cadians haven't aged as badly as eldar guardians...so at least that's something. I'd rather they kept cadians the same and redid vostroyans/steel legion or something else as part of the range. Would be cool to have multiple regiments with plastic options.

Thank you gents! Exalted you both.

I'm wondering why they are called "colour" shapers, when they are a sculpting tool, but I can do some research and figure it out.

They are also called clayshapers.
They are used in other arts and crafts and happen to also work really well with miniature sculpting. Heck in general any "clay" tools work for miniature sculpting.


Note greenstuff and other putties can still stick to them so it still helps to keep them wet with water. Also do keep the tips away from superglues as they will make a total mess of them



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Voss wrote:
Yeah, I'm expecting that too. They've been closing on the animation a lot in previews. And bringing up new ones rather than announcing a date or platform for the ones they've been going on about for... chaos gods know how long now.

I think the animations got hit hard with corona. That said I do agree they've been teasing them a lot and I've lost track of even a casual idea how many or what numbers there are, esp as a few are clearly "adventure of the week" style formats. I'd love for one or two to get out into the wild to be seen.

 ceorron wrote:
Really not keen on the new Zodgrod, looks kinda bland for a special character the hair being an exception to that.

The what, now?

Zodgrod is possibly my new favourite Ork model ever.

angryboy2k wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

^ an absurdly bad faith take

If you look at this image ... http://www.solegends.com/citrt2/rt302squatcmd/fly8801r3-rt302x-01.jpg ... and see 12 "individual" models instead of 4, your brain's a-jumbled.

Trying to claim metal miniatures as unique when they're all based on the same foundation and only have variation in their heads, weapons, accessories, etc. is ridiculous. It's particularly ridiculous when you use that canard as a means of going in on monopose models, since, hilariously, monopose models are only usually able to be differentiated by.... heads, weapons, accessories, etc.

The command models for squats were obviously done in threes from the same base models. But please take a look at a larger view of the range:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Squat_-_Collectors_Guide

The variety is FAR greater than that provided by multipart kits. If you wish to continue to believe that multipart plastics provided more variety than the old metal ranges, knock yourself out. I'll continue to disagree.

As an aside, back in the day it was far easier for Citadel to add a bunch of new models to a range. If one of their sculptors bashed out a bunch of new greens they could be easily and cheaply molded and put into productions. Plastic production is much more rigid and it leaves you with situations like the Cadian one, where we've waited 18 years for... yeah, an upgrade sprue.

I should have used this example in the first place, but Imperial Guard: go and take a look at the variety in RT Imperial Guard and then consider how that lines up against the Cadian multipart kit.
55 individuals in this list:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Imperial_Army_-_Up_to_the_1988_Catalogue
and a similar number here although a bunch of these (maybe all) are repeats - I've not checked them all:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Imperial_Guard_-_1988_to_1994

In this post: a guy complaining about monopose plastics by pointing out the "superiority" of monopose metal minis.

Hate to burst your bubble dude, but having 155 different sculpts or whatever doesn't make them non-monopose minis, nor does it make them superior to plastics. Of those 150 or so minis you're probably looking at a total of about 40-50 actual poses, of which only may be 20 or so are actually distinct (as in varied enough to be noticeable from 3 feet away and not just a slight difference in the angle in which the gun is being held). The vast majority of those sculpts are simply permutations of the same core handful of sculpts achieved by swapping out arms/legs/weapons/heads in order to create very slight variations on the appearance. Heres the thing about that - GWs monopose plastics allow you to do the same *exact* thing by giving you alternative heads, weapons, and accessories that *you* get to swap in and out on your minis the way you want them to be, as opposed to having to hunt through blisters for the exact specific sculpt pre-set you were looking for. And as for quantity, you can come up with a similar number of "distinct" plastic sisters across their minis range through that same process.

Doesn't matter. The 3d print market is already full of these. Still, they don't seem to manage to give the same plastic we enjoy to build. Or aren't as glorious when you print it on your low-cost printer that you can only afford with your salary / space at home.

No, it must be GW holding this 3d print revolution back. Give it just 3 more months !

Like it will change anything, really.

Yeah this communities attitude towards 3d printing has become kinda laughable. I own a small 3d miniatures company, I've sunk a lot of time and money into 3d printing miniatures (both my own and minis sculpted by others). As nice as a lot of it is, I'd still rather have GWs hard plastics. And despite the insistence that 3d printing will kill GW or whatever, the community still goes nuts whenever another company releases a new plastic miniatures kit, even if the detail and quality is mediocre compared to what you might otherwise be able to get from a 3d printed mini instead.

It's very rare for GW to do a battle box that introduces something other than a new hero for either side of the boxset. Blood of the Phoenix had four new models total, but we've seen the tzaangor before, so don't hold your breath.

I don't entirely disagree with you, but it bares mentioning that every once in a while GW does release a wave of new minis in a box set - Feast of Bones for example was the first time that any of the Ossiarch Bonereapers minis were made available. Also Blood of the Phoenix had 4 new *units* - 2 character models, new Howling Banshees (5 models), and new Incubi (5 models). Wrath & Rapture was similar, they gave us 2 characters, a unit of fiends, and a unit of flesh hounds. And then of course there are boxes like Shadowspear which gave us an entire box of all new minis.

The dream is alive, folks.

Looking ahead to tomorrow it might be a new edition of Kill Team and Soulblights for Warcry.

AoS 3rd edition will probably be announced in a following preview.

#doubt

But if its true I will be over the fething moon.

OVER. THE. fething. MOON.

Not just because I prefer 15mm scale, but because the rage in the facebook community will be *amazing*.

God I hope its true.