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That's an amusing and really apt meme Crab, the denial of commonly accepted customer service mantras, the shifting of blame and responsibility and the threats to staff all parallel 'Amy's' from that now infamous episode.

Blue Table Painting really are the 'Amy's Baking' of the miniature painting service world.

The only real difference I'm seeing is that Amy and her husband were run of the mill lunatics, whereas Shawn at Blue Table Painting sees himself as the moses of a new form of business model, and is entirely operating to a set business plan from his 'mentor', out in the desert with his desire to set Blue Table Painting up as the walmart of miniature painting service businesses, disguised as the Harrods of the miniature painting service businesses.

He wants a Model T Ford production line, keeping projects interchangable between staff, utilizing quick-fix airbrush and drybrush techniques, keeping the artist away from the client, presumably to avoid losing both should the artist tire of living in Blue Table Painting 's gulag/apartments and decide to set up their own miniature painting service.

The more I read about the lengths gone to to ensure promotion of this miniature painting service via search engines, Mini WarGaming etc the more I am convinced that Blue Table Painting have fallen very far from the early videos I so enjoyed and the original enthusiasm and love of the models and what he does replaced by a cynical and very underhanded ethos by Blue Table Painting, who seem to have become everything you ever feared about in a Miniature Painting Service.



 
   
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How good is an endorsement/advertisement if there are negative remarks associated with it. The dude makes videos for us to watch and we would rather see painted models.









 
   
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 techsoldaten wrote:
Actually, let M0ff3l comment and say thank you to him every time he takes the time to share his thoughts.

On the one hand, the pictures he is posting speak for themselves. On the other hand, there's a reason to have him posting here, which will become clear.


Indeed. He is actually helping Ten, although he probably doesn't know it.

   
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alxies wrote:
How good is an endorsement/advertisement if there are negative remarks associated with it. The dude makes videos for us to watch and we would rather see painted models.
The problem is when he requests positive comments - which falsifies the curve.

He would have been much better off disabling comments on the video, rather than trying to troll for positive reviews.

Instead he got a lot of negative posts - in part because he was trying to shill for Blue Table miniatures painting - and a large number of people are not happy with the quality of work that BTP spits out.

Make videos, fine - but if you call for reviews on a substandard product, do not be surprised when people say that it is a substandard product.

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The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
 
   
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 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIVA9DKIJM

According to this video the client and artist had a lot of contact about the minatures. They are keeping me updated with WIP and samples aswell, even tho I didnt ask for it. Maybe they learned from their mistakes here, which still sucks for Tenebre, and I cant imagine why they didnt do it for him if he asked for it...


Argh... That army looks really bad :(.. These dudes really dont know how to do propper shading??.. If you are going from black to green, I'm looking at the horrible cloaks here, you need to use more then 3 colours LOLZ.. 0:48 looks horrible with a mix of highlights both gray, and yellow, and it has the darker gren running down into the yellow WTF.. 1:15 Wings are not finished, the Top of them are all black... And when you do shading on cloaks YOU NEVER EVER mix two types of higlights.. If you are going from black to yellow you stick with it you do not suddenly start higlighting it GRAY at the top... If the ligthsource is comming from the Base "dont know if this is the idea here?" you fade to black on the top but you also need to paint Shadows on the bottom, and not in a way that it is done here.. When they have just drawn 3 fields. Yellow.. then a straight line Green.. then straight line black.. "LIGHT DOSENT reflect that way In IRL, use a flashlight or lighsource and project it from the bottom on the miniatures, and you will see excly where the light hits... AND if you don't know how light reflects of objects you should not try to do advanced technichs.. BTP painters need to be sent to artschool for christ sake.. Or atleast have someone come and show them how its done...

If M0ff3I is trying to suport BTP... This video only helps to show that they cant paint for gak...I'm Sorry if I saw this in IRL and someone said he paid for it I would feel so sorry for the person owning it..

This army just looks bad and UNFINISHED period :(

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 zlayer77 wrote:
 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIVA9DKIJM

According to this video the client and artist had a lot of contact about the minatures. They are keeping me updated with WIP and samples aswell, even tho I didnt ask for it. Maybe they learned from their mistakes here, which still sucks for Tenebre, and I cant imagine why they didnt do it for him if he asked for it...


Argh... That army looks really bad :(.. These dudes really dont know how to do propper shading??.. If you are going from black to green, I'm looking at the horrible cloaks here, you need to use more then 3 colours LOLZ.. 0:48 looks horrible with a mix of highlights both gray, and yellow, and it has the darker gren running down into the yellow WTF.. 1:15 Wings are not finished, the Top of them are all black... And when you do shading on cloaks YOU NEVER EVER mix two types of higlights.. If you are going from black to yellow you stick with it you do not suddenly start higlighting it GRAY at the top... If the ligthsource is comming from the Base "dont know if this is the idea here?" you fade to black on the top but you also need to paint Shadows on the bottom, and not in a way that it is done here.. When they have just drawn 3 fields. Yellow.. then a straight line Green.. then straight line black.. "LIGHT DOSENT reflect that way In IRL, use a flashlight or lighsource and project it from the bottom on the miniatures, and you will see excly where the light hits... AND if you don't know how light reflects of objects you should not try to do advanced technichs.. BTP painters need to be sent to artschool for christ sake.. Or atleast have someone come and show them how its done...

If M0ff3I is trying to suport BTP... This video only helps to show that they cant paint for gak...I'm Sorry if I saw this in IRL and someone said he paid for it I would feel so sorry for the person owning it..

This army just looks bad and UNFINISHED period :(


I stopped the video after about a minute, between the shaky unfocused camera and the cloak on the lord thing it was enough. Seriously If you are going to blend, friggen blend. I don't think I have commented on this thread yet, but holy cow thats just bad work for a commision company. I would be pissed if I got that in the mail. I'd be more pissed if I delivered that to a client when I was still doing table top quality commision work (locally to support my plastic crack habit).
   
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It would appear that Blue Table Painting is NOT a reputable miniature painting service.

When I next employ a 'miniature painting service' it will not be 'Blue Table Painting'

This company and their cronies amaze me......as in how are they still in business.

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 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIVA9DKIJM

According to this video the client and artist had a lot of contact about the minatures. They are keeping me updated with WIP and samples aswell, even tho I didnt ask for it. Maybe they learned from their mistakes here, which still sucks for Tenebre, and I cant imagine why they didnt do it for him if he asked for it...


Centerpiece model at 3:23....all I can say is What Da Fuq is up with the riders weapon blade on top of that two headed dragon? Again the concept of idea is there....BTP just lacks the skill to execute it to realization.

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 zlayer77 wrote:
 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIVA9DKIJM

According to this video the client and artist had a lot of contact about the minatures. They are keeping me updated with WIP and samples aswell, even tho I didnt ask for it. Maybe they learned from their mistakes here, which still sucks for Tenebre, and I cant imagine why they didnt do it for him if he asked for it...


Argh... That army looks really bad :(.. These dudes really dont know how to do propper shading??.. If you are going from black to green, I'm looking at the horrible cloaks here, you need to use more then 3 colours LOLZ.. 0:48 looks horrible with a mix of highlights both gray, and yellow, and it has the darker gren running down into the yellow WTF.. 1:15 Wings are not finished, the Top of them are all black... And when you do shading on cloaks YOU NEVER EVER mix two types of higlights.. If you are going from black to yellow you stick with it you do not suddenly start higlighting it GRAY at the top... If the ligthsource is comming from the Base "dont know if this is the idea here?" you fade to black on the top but you also need to paint Shadows on the bottom, and not in a way that it is done here.. When they have just drawn 3 fields. Yellow.. then a straight line Green.. then straight line black.. "LIGHT DOSENT reflect that way In IRL, use a flashlight or lighsource and project it from the bottom on the miniatures, and you will see excly where the light hits... AND if you don't know how light reflects of objects you should not try to do advanced technichs.. BTP painters need to be sent to artschool for christ sake.. Or atleast have someone come and show them how its done...

If M0ff3I is trying to suport BTP... This video only helps to show that they cant paint for gak...I'm Sorry if I saw this in IRL and someone said he paid for it I would feel so sorry for the person owning it..

This army just looks bad and UNFINISHED period :(


It looks fine to me for a speed paint, much better than tenebre's dwarves.

lots of pop and lots of contrast on that army. obviously it is not technically perfect, it is a speed paint.

i could criticize but then it would probably take me the better part of a year to paint all that $hit to a high standard so i will just stfu instead.
   
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So I finally got around to watching that chaos warriors army "showcase"

There were mold lines on the top of some chaos warrior weapons, I will admit I am no saint when it comes to catching all mold lines but if you are a professional minature painting service like blue table painting I expect a higher degree of competence on the most basic of things.

What was with that random OSL on the weapons? It looks like they just dipped the axes in moot green and called it a day. Also the OSL on the outside center edges of the wings on the dragon, chimeras and flying character what was with that? Then the models got the pink foot that tenbre got with his dwarves except with green this time. Also there were subtle shots at tenbre saying how good they are at large themed armies and are always in contact with the person.

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Yeah...god that stuff is bad. The disk was flat black

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 M0ff3l wrote:
 RivenSkull wrote:
No M0ff3l, this is what I was reffering to:

 M0ff3l wrote:

Im sorry that im asking you for this much "evidence", but having to re-watch a 47 min video just to hear everything again and taking your word for it that its really what everything says. Thats just not how I think these sort of things should go. But Im sure these things will be 100% cleared up once legal action has been taken anyways, so you dont have to show me anything anyways.


Your attitude has been a constant in dismissing everything that has happened in light of Ten's order, and now you post with the coy post " I cant imagine why they didnt do it for him if he asked for it..." seems to be you attempting to gloat and continue to turn a blind eye to this.


Im sure you can understand my intentions better than that I intended them

my bad for trying to post updates here, I instantly regret it bye!



You sir, are a fifth columnist and your indulgence in passive aggressive gloating and goading, immediately followed by dying swan routines every time you're confronted about it, does allow people to gauge your intentions fairly easily, indeed your entire character.

And none of it reads nicely.

Jog off out of this thread and keep to your own, you've made your point here ad nauseam and I was fairly certain you flounced out of here vowing never to return at least twice before... You're like a bloody stuck record. Go flutter your fan and sneer somewhere else.


Well said.

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 darefsky wrote:

I stopped the video after about a minute, between the shaky unfocused camera and the cloak on the lord thing it was enough. Seriously If you are going to blend, friggen blend. I don't think I have commented on this thread yet, but holy cow thats just bad work for a commision company. I would be pissed if I got that in the mail. I'd be more pissed if I delivered that to a client when I was still doing table top quality commision work (locally to support my plastic crack habit).


You might want to watch the last minute though. The most important part comes in at 6:30, where Shawn says this army 'really shows BTPs strength at doing large themed armies.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIVA9DKIJM

Anyone looking to work with a miniature painting service should know that this is what you can expect from a large Blue Table Painting project. It's not a question of whether or not the paint job is bad, but whether or not the client actually wanted the army painted this way.

This is an important question. People with similar taste flock to similar companies to provide services and there are very clear parallels between the Chaos Dwarf army mentioned in the OP and the one seen in the video. If you want an army that looks like these, you call Blue Table Painting right away and see if they are willing to be your miniature painting service.

Since Blue Table Painting is the most prominent miniature painting service out there, they command a certain kind of authority. What people are reacting to is an evolution in the style of miniature painting, let's call this new style table bleue les fauves. It has more in common with the works of Henri Matisse than White Dwarf, and you people are all completely missing the fact it is happening.

This style is characterized by conspicuous mold lines, liberal use of raw undercoat to create consistency between shadows and the exposed details on the model, monohue skin tones applied by airbrush in a manner similar to what you could expect from an exploding bag of flour, and ethereal lighting effects that occur independently of the object. Looking at the heavy neon colors used on the bases and the way they do NOT affect the actual details on the model, another characteristic to consider is the idea that the base and the model are 2 different things that have nothing to do with one another. The fact they are glued together has no relevance, they are separate things that may not even exist in the same time and space. They challenge the perceptions of the viewer by forcing the mind to make this thing you see coherent, instead of the eye. Each model is a clever challenge for viewers to work out, similar to rules for unit coherency in tabletop games. It's magic.

Beyond the characteristic qualities of design, this process is industrial. You don't get the work of a single artist, you get the creative ideas of a set of artists working under severe time constraints and the oversight of a skilled business mentor with plenty of experience with social media and services like kickstarter and patreon. This is not the academy, this is the people's art and it reflects our modern times in ways that cannot be realized through high-end realism, shading and OSL techniques commonly employed by those who would elevate themselves to be the masters of the craft. These little tricks of the craft are simply copies of copies, like xeroxes in high definition, and table blue les fauves dares to change the toner and add some Elmer's to the mix.

By shunning convention and charting their own course, Shawn and the team at Blue Table Painting have broken new ground and injected new ideas into what it means to work with a miniature painting service. Tenebre and the people at Frontline Gaming should be considered degenerates in the sense that they cannot recognize this shift and the significance it has for a nearly 30 year old hobby. Their attacks on something bold and forward looking really speak for themselves, and I fear the impact tenebre's despicable legal assault might have on the emergence of this new style. The outcomes of legal action are unpredictable at best, and there's actually a chance the miniature painting service Blue Table Painting may be adversely affected by all this action.

You can support the artists from Spanish Fork, Utah by going to their Patreon page and signing up. Here's the link:

http://www.patreon.com/btp

Right now, their patreonage is down from the $70 a month that was coming in before tenebre started this vitriolic hate campaign against the Blue Table Painting miniature service. Signing up to send Blue Table Painting your money on a monthly basis will help them to advance the aims and goals of table blue les fauves, fend off legal threats from St. Louis slicksters, and tells the world you recognize the art of miniature painting is not dead and deserves to evolve like other mediums. Look at what Blue Table Painting plans to do with your money once they have $10,000 a month coming in in patreonage.

"We can hire additional staff to create more content. We can travel to most gaming conventions and tournaments, give you much more content, cover more games systems, and branch out into different types of media (e.g. podcasting, live streaming, forums, mobile apps). We can be the premier source of all your table top gaming needs."

Anyone willing to give $10,000 a month will get 5 days of time spent with the creator of it all in the center of it all (Spanish Fort, Utah) as part of the Ultimate BTP Experience. It even includes a new item each month from the BTP clothing line, which is their effort to expand the wargaming medium into something you wear. You see, for a $120,000 a year investment in the commercial side of the business, you do not need to be burdened with actual ownership or a stake in the corporate entity that is Blue Table Painting, you can get shirts and caps from them instead.

Please consider giving. The other thing you can do is share Blue Table Painting's ads, which explain their pricing policies and how to ship models directly to them. Watch the entire video and tell me if these artists don't deserve some help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWc7xDANAw&src_vid=9oIVA9DKIJM&feature=iv&annotation_id=channel%3A52402bab-0-2d9f-8df2-89e013a2908
   
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 Necro wrote:

It would appear that Blue Table Painting is NOT a reputable miniature painting service.

When I next employ a 'miniature painting service' it will not be 'Blue Table Painting'

This company and their cronies amaze me......as in how are they still in business.


Someone gets it.


If i were to employ a miniature painting service, I highly doubt it would be Blue Table painting based upon the service that Ten got when he employed a miniature painting service. That miniature painting service, of course, being Blue Table Painting, which he was not happy with the results he got and paid for.


But if you are thinking of employing a miniature painting service, and are considering using Blue Table Painting, then I encourage you to check out the following links:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06d7wMO4Cw

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Po381lu1ds

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ichEg98nA8


Oh and there's also this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknAwo9O7Pk



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 techsoldaten wrote:

You can support the artists from Spanish Fork, Utah by going to their Patreon page and signing up. Here's the link:

http://www.patreon.com/btp

Right now, their patreonage is down from the $70 a month that was coming in before tenebre started this vitriolic hate campaign against the Blue Table Painting miniature service. Signing up to send Blue Table Painting your money on a monthly basis will help them to advance the aims and goals of table blue les fauves, fend off legal threats from St. Louis slicksters, and tells the world you recognize the art of miniature painting is not dead and deserves to evolve like other mediums. Look at what Blue Table Painting plans to do with your money once they have $10,000 a month coming in in patreonage.

"We can hire additional staff to create more content. We can travel to most gaming conventions and tournaments, give you much more content, cover more games systems, and branch out into different types of media (e.g. podcasting, live streaming, forums, mobile apps). We can be the premier source of all your table top gaming needs."

Anyone willing to give $10,000 a month will get 5 days of time spent with the creator of it all in the center of it all (Spanish Fort, Utah) as part of the Ultimate Blue Table Painting Experience. It even includes a new item each month from the BTP clothing line, which is their effort to expand the wargaming medium into something you wear. You see, for a $120,000 a year investment in the commercial side of the business, you do not need to be burdened with actual ownership or a stake in the corporate entity that is Blue Table Painting, you can get shirts and caps from them instead.

Please consider giving. The other thing you can do is share Blue Table Painting's ads, which explain their pricing policies and how to ship models directly to them. Watch the entire video and tell me if these artists don't deserve some help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWc7xDANAw&src_vid=9oIVA9DKIJM&feature=iv&annotation_id=channel%3A52402bab-0-2d9f-8df2-89e013a2908


One minor fixed for you. If you keep it as an acronym, people might not know that we mean the miniature painting service, Blue Table Painting.

Back to this investment opportunity.

Wait, for 120K i get a shirt... and a cap ? And i get to spend five days in the bustling, thriving metropolis of Spanish Fork ? With Blue Table Painting, a miniature painting service ? I particularly enjoy where for the price of a limited edition Maserati (including sales tax!), i don't have to worry myself with jargonistic terms like "valuation", or "equity", or "customer acquisition cost", or fiddle with business plans written by gamers, or any of that nonsense. Nope this is a great investment vehicle ; fork over (oh wow.... fork ... Spanish fork... hell, Blue Table Painting (a miniature painting service) creativity must be rubbing off on me) 120 large, and BAM. I get not only a cap, but a shirt.

Techsoldat, thank you for showing me this path to financial independence, but also this beacon of illumination in the gaming industry.


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 daedalus wrote:

I mean, it's Dakka. I thought snide arguments from emotion were what we did here.


 
   
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I don't even know what this thread is anymore.

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It's a thread about BTP, otherwise known as Blue Table Painting, which is a miniature painting service, that is not known for their quality painting service. In fact, some might go as far as to say they provide badly painted miniatures for the money that you pay and top it with bad customer service.

You can see more here:
art 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06d7wMO4Cw

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Po381lu1ds

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ichEg98nA8


   
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 techsoldaten wrote:

Anyone willing to give $10,000 a month will get 5 days of time spent with the creator of it all in the center of it all (Spanish Fort, Utah) as part of the Ultimate BTP Experience. It even includes a new item each month from the BTP clothing line, which is their effort to expand the wargaming medium into something you wear. You see, for a $120,000 a year investment in the commercial side of the business, you do not need to be burdened with actual ownership or a stake in the corporate entity that is Blue Table Painting, you can get shirts and caps from them instead.



A miniature painting service branching into apparel? Madness they said, Impossibru they ranted... Yet Shawn and Blue Table Painting have already launched this daring (and very NSFW!!!) Tee and I'm floored by how much it emphasizes their miniature painting service mantra at Blue Table Painting...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMFWDbeCcAEWlJV.jpg
   
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 Eggs wrote:
It's a thread about BTP, otherwise known as Blue Table Painting, which is a miniature painting service, that is not known for their quality painting service. In fact, some might go as far as to say they provide badly painted miniatures for the money that you pay and top it with bad customer service.

You can see more here:
art 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06d7wMO4Cw

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Po381lu1ds

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ichEg98nA8



These are outstanding examples of table bleue les fauves. The client did not understand the process, and the fact he is butchering his models underscores the point.

We should start a separate thread to discuss examples of table bleue les fauves and ask mods to ban tenebre.



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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

A miniature painting service branching into apparel? Madness they said, Impossibru they ranted... Yet Shawn and Blue Table Painting have already launched this daring (and very NSFW!!!) Tee and I'm floored by how much it emphasizes their miniature painting service mantra at Blue Table Painting...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMFWDbeCcAEWlJV.jpg


This is a terrible example of table bleue les fauves for the following reasons:

1) The heavy use of contrast. Black tends to stay black in this style, and certainly does not stand out against a white background.

2) The hard defined lines and edges. table bleue les fauves is all about semi-irregular edges applied with a drybrush or sprayed on with an airbrush.

3) The suggestion a single person is involved in the process. It takes a lot of people to produce a table bleue les fauves style project, starting with the person who takes the instructions. The style does not work when executing on a single person's vision, it takes a process.

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In that green Chaos video a commentator said this.

"BTP really does an outstanding job on every project they do. Everyone there has the highest level of customer service and professionalism. John's attention to detail and willingness to adapt to client demands is second to none. Really amazing work! Proud to say, that army is mine. "

Also later he says the army was about 3k

He doesn't sound like a real person to me. He sounds like an advert.




 
   
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I wonder if the apparel they're planning on developing will have the patented BTP look Techsoldaten mentioned... It may be difficult but I suspect if they only dye the shirts on the top (leaving the naked cloth color on the bottom of the clothing that you don't usually see half the time), airbrush bleach onto the clothing at odd angles to get their Chaos Dwarf OSL effect, and leave details like writing, logos, cuffs and collars the base color instead of another... it may just work! Of course, the non-matching base equivalent would have to be a differently colored and styled pair of pants. i.e. A blue dress shirt with green cloroxOSL sweat pants.

@Techsoldaten: I actually got a few odd looks when I physically LOL'ed reading "skin tones applied by airbrush in a manner similar to what you could expect from an exploding bag of flour". I suspect that effect would best be applied to the clothing line with an actual exploding bag of flour.

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 carlos13th wrote:
In that green Chaos video a commentator said this.

"BTP really does an outstanding job on every project they do. Everyone there has the highest level of customer service and professionalism. John's attention to detail and willingness to adapt to client demands is second to none. Really amazing work! Proud to say, that army is mine. "

Also later he says the army was about 3k

He doesn't sound like a real person to me. He sounds like an advert.



It's smart to question what you read in comments on YouTube videos. You would be surprised to learn how many are generated by something other than people.


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 warboss wrote:
I wonder if the apparel they're planning on developing will have the patented BTP look Techsoldaten mentioned...


Artistic movements cannot be patented, but business processes can. I wonder if Blue Table Painting will take the time to patent their business process since they are lead by a visionary business mentor. There's some magic to the way they do things.

 warboss wrote:
It may be difficult but I suspect if they only dye the shirts on the top (leaving the naked cloth color on the bottom of the clothing that you don't usually see half the time), airbrush bleach onto the clothing at odd angles to get their Chaos Dwarf OSL effect, and leave details like writing, logos, cuffs and collars the base color instead of another... it may just work! Of course, the non-matching base equivalent would have to be a differently colored and styled pair of pants. i.e. A blue dress shirt with green cloroxOSL sweat pants.


Great artists find a way and I expect no less.

You can find some of their apparel in their webstore: http://www.bluetablestore.com/btp-merchandise/btp-lady-averages-t-shirt-size-xl

The shirt would seem uninspired at first, but look at the options available on the webpage. You can request a Blue Table Painting specialist contact you about assembly and custom paint for the shirt. Lady Averages herself is holding the dice in a way that suggests they could totally do the OSL for you. So this shirt is totally set up to go table bleue les fauves .

 warboss wrote:

@Techsoldaten: I actually got a few odd looks when I physically LOL'ed reading "skin tones applied by airbrush in a manner similar to what you could expect from an exploding bag of flour". I suspect that effect would best be applied to the clothing line with an actual exploding bag of flour.


If anyone could pull off paint jobs made out of food, it would be the Blue Table Painting miniature painting service. What about Doritos orange bases or Hot Dog grease washes and varnishes?

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techsoldaten wrote:Anyone willing to give $10,000 a month will get 5 days of time spent with the creator of it all in the center of it all (Spanish Fort, Utah) as part of the Ultimate BTP Experience. It even includes a new item each month from the BTP clothing line, which is their effort to expand the wargaming medium into something you wear. You see, for a $120,000 a year investment in the commercial side of the business, you do not need to be burdened with actual ownership or a stake in the corporate entity that is Blue Table Painting, you can get shirts and caps from them instead.


Wow, I leave this thread alone for a while and when I come back, BTP has gone from being run-of-the-mill scammers to purveyors of a Scientology'esque Twilight-Zone of the bizarre.

The shocking thing is that "The Creator Of It All" might actually believe his hype enough to expect that someone will give him 6 figures for a one week vacation to a suburb in Utah.
   
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 Eilif wrote:
techsoldaten wrote:Anyone willing to give $10,000 a month will get 5 days of time spent with the creator of it all in the center of it all (Spanish Fort, Utah) as part of the Ultimate BTP Experience. It even includes a new item each month from the BTP clothing line, which is their effort to expand the wargaming medium into something you wear. You see, for a $120,000 a year investment in the commercial side of the business, you do not need to be burdened with actual ownership or a stake in the corporate entity that is Blue Table Painting, you can get shirts and caps from them instead.


Wow, I leave this thread alone for a while and when I come back, BTP has gone from being run-of-the-mill scammers to purveyors of a Scientology'esque Twilight-Zone of the bizarre.

The shocking thing is that "The Creator Of It All" might actually believe his hype enough to expect that someone will give him 6 figures for a one week vacation to a suburb in Utah.


BTP has gone on the forum attack.


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 carlos13th wrote:
In that green Chaos video a commentator said this.

"BTP really does an outstanding job on every project they do. Everyone there has the highest level of customer service and professionalism. John's attention to detail and willingness to adapt to client demands is second to none. Really amazing work! Proud to say, that army is mine. "

Also later he says the army was about 3k

He doesn't sound like a real person to me. He sounds like an advert.



It's smart to question what you read in comments on YouTube videos. You would be surprised to learn how many are generated by something other than people.


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 warboss wrote:
I wonder if the apparel they're planning on developing will have the patented BTP look Techsoldaten mentioned...


Artistic movements cannot be patented, but business processes can. I wonder if Blue Table Painting will take the time to patent their business process since they are lead by a visionary business mentor. There's some magic to the way they do things.

 warboss wrote:
It may be difficult but I suspect if they only dye the shirts on the top (leaving the naked cloth color on the bottom of the clothing that you don't usually see half the time), airbrush bleach onto the clothing at odd angles to get their Chaos Dwarf OSL effect, and leave details like writing, logos, cuffs and collars the base color instead of another... it may just work! Of course, the non-matching base equivalent would have to be a differently colored and styled pair of pants. i.e. A blue dress shirt with green cloroxOSL sweat pants.


Great artists find a way and I expect no less.

You can find some of their apparel in their webstore: http://www.bluetablestore.com/btp-merchandise/btp-lady-averages-t-shirt-size-xl

The shirt would seem uninspired at first, but look at the options available on the webpage. You can request a Blue Table Painting specialist contact you about assembly and custom paint for the shirt. Lady Averages herself is holding the dice in a way that suggests they could totally do the OSL for you. So this shirt is totally set up to go table bleue les fauves .

 warboss wrote:

@Techsoldaten: I actually got a few odd looks when I physically LOL'ed reading "skin tones applied by airbrush in a manner similar to what you could expect from an exploding bag of flour". I suspect that effect would best be applied to the clothing line with an actual exploding bag of flour.


If anyone could pull off paint jobs made out of food, it would be the Blue Table Painting miniature painting service. What about Doritos orange bases or Hot Dog grease washes and varnishes?


Sir, you confuse me! I fail to understand if you are being constantly and very cleverly sarcastic or a mind blank BTP advert, I demand answers!

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I can see the value and investment of an ultra rare Led Zeppelin T-shirt for $10,000.

I can see only insanity for the purchase of a Blue Table Painting, miniature painting service T-shirt for $10,000.


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Sir, you confuse me! I fail to understand if you are being constantly and very cleverly sarcastic or a mind blank BTP advert, I demand answers!


He is being sarcastic as all feth. Your sarcasm meter must have exploded from overload.



 
   
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 Reality-Torrent wrote:

Sir, you confuse me! I fail to understand if you are being constantly and very cleverly sarcastic or a mind blank BTP advert, I demand answers!


Sir, you are confusing. The name is Blue Table Painting, and they are a miniature painting service based in Spanish Fork, Utah. The anagram BTP has other meanings, which are equally ingenious and also things that come to mind when you say BTP.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BTP

You want to use the full name Blue Table Painting because this thread is really the first place people are discovering the new and exciting visual style for miniature painting they are becoming known for. The OP created this thread to spread awareness of what Blue Table Painting is doing and my posts are meant to provide some context that gets lost in forums.

I named the style table bleue les fauves but obviously do want the artists themselves to tell us what the process should be called and share their secrets about how to achieve such stunning visual aesthetics.

The reason this is important is that we are seeing a miniature painting service being successful taking people's money employing artistic techniques that represent a radical departure from the ones that have been in place for the last 30 years. It's the style seen in that old, failed publication White Dwarf, where painters would do the same thing over and over again, using undercoats, basecoats that cover the model, shading / glazing techniques, drybrushing, highlights, extreme highlights, accents / details, etc. These painters would engage in these so-called advanced techniques with names like 'freehand,' 'object source lighting,' 'non-metallic metals,' 'weathering,' 'layering,' 'stippling,' 'color harmony,' 'patterns,' 'details,' and more. The list of tricks they used to keep people hooked never seemed to end, and it was always curious how most of them seemed to be beyond the average painter's ability to carry out on their own models.

An art form, even if it's a hobby for most people, should advance some in 3 decades, otherwise it stagnates and simply becomes a pasttime for old timers. Blue Table Painting has moved the ball forward dramatically with table bleue les fauves. By shunning these dated, labor-intensive, unattainable techniques in favor of their own process, Blue Table Painting is using their small miniature painting service to reinvent the way we think about what a model should look like. Instead of trying to achieve some kind of gritty realism, this style challenges people's perceptions and the meaning of words / phrases like 'good,' 'attractive,' 'finished,' 'tabletop standard,' and 'suitable for public viewing.' This work should not be ignored, and people should be sharing information about what the incredible results being achieved by this process-driven approach to 'painting your world' (as my good friend Shawn likes to say.) I can see how inexperienced players could be told this new style is good and come to accept it as the standard for their own understanding of quality work.

While I realize it's ironic to be discovering all of this in a thread complaining about the process, it's important to understand that anything new and revolutionary will be met with apprehension and disdain before it becomes the dominant art form. Blue Table Painting did not become the world's most popular and widely recognized miniature painting service by thinking inside the box, it took the advancement of new techniques (like overspraying, which is a genius technique I use for my own models), savvy partnerships in the community (like with miniwargaming, where they give Matt and Dave free models to say nice things about them), and a massive investment in search engine optimization to get there. The people at Blue Table Painting can only do so much commenting on their own videos, and now we need to support their team in revolutionizing the medium.

Please consider giving to Blue Table Painting's Patreon campaign:

http://www.patreon.com/btp

Every donation supports the commercial miniature painting service and the artists they employ to create new videos, take pictures, travel to tournaments and conventions, and branch out to new media (hello Black Giant!). The gifts you get from your pledge are awesome and you should read about them.

If you can't give right now, there are still ways to get involved. Help Blue Table Painting advance table bleue les fauves as the dominant style for miniature painting by doing the following.

  • Refer to the company as 'Blue Table Painting' - not 'BTP' - in your posts.

  • Refer to the company as a 'miniature painting service' at least once anywhere you post about the company.

  • Refer to table bleue les fauves on other websites. This term will be synonymous with Blue Table Painting in a few months and link to a massive collection of the best examples of their work.

  • Comment on videos on the Blue Table Painting YouTube channel. Share your thoughts on what you see, and realize that the attitudes expressed in comments affect what videos will be recommended to other users.

  • Link back to this thread or the warseer thread from anywhere else on the Internet.

  • Include tenebre's videos in other forums. The placement of the videos has a reciprocal impact on threads linking to them.

  • Favorite tenebre's original videos on YouTube. Favoriting the videos will reduce the placement decay that occurs as new videos are posted.


  • Here are some resources to share about Blue Table Painting and the table bleue les fauves style of miniature painting in their services.

    The Manifesto: The closest I could come to spelling out the characteristics of this new process.

    - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1590/618082.page#7429362
    - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1590/618082.page#7429362

    Tenebre's videos: These are the best examples of the new style out there. Just remember to turn the sound off while you watch them!

    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06d7wMO4Cw
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Po381lu1ds

    M0ff3l's Blue Table Painting CSM Thread: M0ff3l spells out the details of the process throughout this thread. This post has examples of outcomes of the process for everyone to enjoy.

    - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360/622435.page#7428726

    Blue Table Painting's YouTube Channel: Get your daily dose of table bleue les fauves from the artists themselves. Hey Hey Blue Table Fans!

    - https://www.youtube.com/user/bluetablepainting/videos

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    Sorry are you talking about the Blue Table Painting Miniature Service? Or the Miniature Service offered by Blue Table Painting. I cant be sure.



     
       
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    As a Brit, I am impressed by techsoldaten's level and mastery of sarcasm.

    Blue Table Painting. Miniature painting service.
       
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     ImAGeek wrote:
    As a Brit, I am impressed by techsoldaten's level and mastery of sarcasm.

    Blue Table Painting. Miniature painting service.


    As a Brit, I fear you are one of the few with the patience to read a forum post more than a few sentences long.

    Link to the post in your sig to help.

       
     
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