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 Arachnofiend wrote:
Pink Horrors are still worthless at 7 ppm, right? I think they'd have to be 5 to be worth considering.

Still worse than post nerf conscripts.... :/

I'm glad I made all of my Malefic Lord's out of a reasonably daemonic looking model. As I'm not seeing any changes to smite here, it looks like they're all about to become Slaanesh Heralds.

Seeing as the GUO and Beasts are rumoured to get new models when the codex comes out, I expect them both to get buffs.

For the GUO I am hoping he gets access to new weapon options and gear to help buff other Nurgle Deamons.

The Beasts already got buffed but I think they need more.
I'm not sure what, maybe a ranged attack, or some sort of aura ability.

Chaos Deamons got hit with the nerf bat - no subtly - at least I have another 6 days to enjoy my greater lord of change...

I mean, Aetaos deserved it. 1500? Probably not at all.

Giant Spawn? 100-125 would of been fine, at 150 you'll never see them again.

Glad I waited for the changes before ordering a 700 pound list from FW. Now it reduced to 0 pounts. Thanks GW.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Pink Horrors are still worthless at 7 ppm, right? I think they'd have to be 5 to be worth considering.

Still worse than post nerf conscripts.... :/

To be honest I wish they kept them at 10 points and just buffed the gak out of their gun so that they're actually worth taking as more than a body; as long as pinks and blues are just bodies they will always be inferior to the cheaper body of a brimstone.

My wish about horrors (which has absolutely no chance at happening) is that they make so the only way you can get blues and brimstones is through splitting, though the splitting would be free and baked into the cost of pinks. Would make it hella lot easier to balance all 3 if they are all the same unit.

They could also provide a cheaper version of pinks that dont split for thoose people who dont have blues and brimstones.

 ThePie wrote:
My wish about horrors (which has absolutely no chance at happening) is that they make so the only way you can get blues and brimstones is through splitting, though the splitting would be free and baked into the cost of pinks. Would make it hella lot easier to balance all 3 if they are all the same unit.

They could also provide a cheaper version of pinks that dont split for thoose people who dont have blues and brimstones.

I am also in the camp of thinking this is the way it should be. It is also a little silly that Horrors have a "this costs points" written into them while half of the other stuff in the game is a "This may or may not cost points! Stay tuned to find out!".

Compare mamon tranformed to a blightspawn, that is a weird points cost.

So my personal favorite chaos God is Khorne and I have been looking for a way for bloodletters and the Bloodthirsters to be effective. Khorne just doesnt seem to hold up to the other gods though. Am I missing something? Is there hope in the new codex?

Darksteve wrote:
So my personal favorite chaos God is Khorne and I have been looking for a way for bloodletters and the Bloodthirsters to be effective. Khorne just doesnt seem to hold up to the other gods though. Am I missing something? Is there hope in the new codex?

All actual chaos daemon armies(Greater Daemon + Herald + troops+elites/fast attack/heavy support) are trash except maybe Nurgle at the moment. Don't worry, that's nothing out of the ordinary.

Darksteve wrote:
So my personal favorite chaos God is Khorne and I have been looking for a way for bloodletters and the Bloodthirsters to be effective. Khorne just doesnt seem to hold up to the other gods though. Am I missing something? Is there hope in the new codex?

You're not missing anything: Khorne is currently worse than the other gods due to getting a measly +1A instead of magiks. We'll hopefully see stratagems and artifacts that help Khorne units move up the board faster. I doubt we'll ever get anything defensive, I'm hoping for big price cuts to Khorne units so we can horde up. I ran Deamonkin in 7th and it was a blast. I would love to run my Bloodletter horde with my Flesh Hounds again, toss in my Bloodthirster for good measure why not. World Eaters are fun on their own but gimme that fluff!

I think FWs increases on big boys is GW telling them to help keep them out of tournaments. The tournament scene was getting a little overridden by superheavies. Having a warhound at 2K is pretty harsh.
Giant chaos spawn needed it, like last edition they were hilariously cheap, especially with them getting legit daemon marks, that was a huge free buff.
I'm thinking they slacked on daemons because the codex is supposed to be soon. Index daemons, with no allies or FW support, just feel terrible right now to me.


Also, not sure why plague toads went up, sure the -1 to be hit is nice, but it's a huge investment. Wishful thinking is that the codex will have something that makes them worth the points.

Here’s a fun fact. If you take a Bloodthirster, it takes 216 bolter shots to kill him.
Bolters are anti-horde weapons because they lack AP. Str 4 makes it great for killing Tough 3 tiny units with low armor save. Obviously it shuold be more efficient against tough 3 troops, right? Well let’s see
If you take an equivalent number of brimstones (113), it takes 510 bolter shots to kill them. That’s disregarding the fact that they have access to a -1 to be hit aura…
But let’s say brimstones are OP, broken, etc…
Pink Horrors. They’re pretty bad. Let’s check those out(48 of them in this case). It takes 218 shots.
So again:
Bloodthirster: 216 shots
Brimstones:510 shots
Pink Horrors: 218 shots
Why does an anti-horde weapon, like a bolter work better against a huge monster than small tiny troops?
What about an anti tank weapon(Las cannon). By this broken logic, it should work better against troops? :p
Bloodthirster: 15.42857143 shots
Brimstones: 408 shots
Pink horrors: 174 shots
Yeah……. This is why I don’t think any math was done when making up the point costs.
For BT to start to be more resilient to bolter shots than Brimstones, he should cost 140 points. Wow. That’s -200 points. Obviously, we have to take offensive capabilities into account… But we can clearly see that anti-horde weapons are more efficient at killing big guys than actual hordes. And that’s…. quite sad.

this is NOT the big guys ediction....aside from some rare cases.

 blackmage wrote:
this is NOT the big guys ediction....aside from some rare cases.

Except if you take a ton of them. Because of how powerful anti-horde is in the meta, the opponent will most likelly not have enough anti-superheavy weapons as they are suboptimal. So you focus the anti-superheavy weapons and win by default.
But that's when objectives rear their ugly head.

Mathammer:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mhwa-d77ztppXP9ZUQxur9HewqDTFZ6k

Here you go. It's not the be all end all. But it's a good indication on what's overpriced and what isn't.

rvd can you explain a bit more this chart? It looks very interesting but the columns such as "advanced" I am not sure. Can you provide some more details?

Fixed it up a bit, added more info. Any more questions?

Any codex leaks yet?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/new-daemons-codex-great-unclean-one-and.html?m=1

Possible new GUO and sounds like AoS Slimux will be joining 40k

 rvd1ofakind wrote:

 blackmage wrote:
this is NOT the big guys ediction....aside from some rare cases.

Except if you take a ton of them. Because of how powerful anti-horde is in the meta, the opponent will most likelly not have enough anti-superheavy weapons as they are suboptimal. So you focus the anti-superheavy weapons and win by default.
But that's when objectives rear their ugly head.

yes im gonna try a list with Morty Magnus chaos knight and 2 Nurgle Dp's

Dew wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/new-daemons-codex-great-unclean-one-and.html?m=1

Possible new GUO and sounds like AoS Slimux will be joining 40k

Snaily the snail!

Well unfortunately the nerf bat spanked a good amount of forgeworld stuff, but the rare thing that got cheaper is a spined chaos beast. 190 to 150, 12 wounds, and can heal too. Other then that though everything got absolutely shat on which is rough, but spined chaos will be great!

looks like Gw wont Fw in matched games

Dew wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/new-daemons-codex-great-unclean-one-and.html?m=1

Possible new GUO and sounds like AoS Slimux will be joining 40k

Ok, time to unload my old GUOs! Slimux is an awesome sculpt, super happy we will have him. I wonder if the new sculpt is beasts of nurgle. Height of a PB and bulkier sounds plausible.

Yeah I hope so too, I really need to add to my Nurgle army but they still have so many ugly (and not in a good way) models. I think beasts of nurgle is next. And I totally agree, I love Slimux.
I'll probably still have to pull the trigger on an old guo in the meantime though, I'm going to need one stat for an escalation Leauge soon

Anyone have any experience with the plauge drones? The ones that look like giant flies. I got my hands on 3 NOS for 15$ and have not put them together yet, not sure what their roll is really in a deamon army. Are they just flying close combat monsters?

Azuza001 wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the plauge drones? The ones that look like giant flies. I got my hands on 3 NOS for 15$ and have not put them together yet, not sure what their roll is really in a deamon army. Are they just flying close combat monsters?

I’ll probably end up using mine as bullet catchers for my Daemon Princes...