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For those who haven't seen:
http://gamesday.us.games-workshop.com/GamesDay2007/atlanta_coverege/default.htm

Clicky clicky.

Ah, thanks for the clickable link.

Trooooooogdooooorrrr!!

(burninating the countryside?)

Okay, to quote from the GW site: "This Saturday's Golden Demon entries proved to be the strongest showing ever at an Atlanta Games Day. The judges really had their work cut out for them sorting through all of the impressive conversions and paint jobs to select the winners. "

I should reserve judgement until I have seen the other entries, which they promise later in the week. I should. That is a nice paintjob and a pretty good conversion, but dammit, if that is what took the slayer sword, I suspect the field of entries was thin.

Maybe my standards are too high.  I mean, it's a nice entry.  It just doesn't scream "Slayer Sword-winning quality" to me.

I concur with fellblade.

With a name like Trogdor, how could it not win the Slayer Sword?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Posted By fellblade on 05/01/2007 12:34 PM

Okay, to quote from the GW site: "This Saturday's Golden Demon entries proved to be the strongest showing ever at an Atlanta Games Day. The judges really had their work cut out for them sorting through all of the impressive conversions and paint jobs to select the winners. "

I'd disagree with that.  There were less entries this year than ever before.  Not only were the Lord of the Rings categories sparsely populated, but the Open Category had noticeably fewer entries and Warhammer Regiment had a mere seven.

That said, there was some excellent work there and well deserved wins.

Kep

 

 

I've never seen so few entries in a Golden Demon. Wish I had entered now....

Hm. Let's hope that the Baltimore GD yields sparse entries too! Between that and last year's 40k squad category, I'll have a fighting chance.

But, you gotta admit, that is a cool model. Shame it's not the real Trogdor though.

It reminds me of a muppet for some reason. I like it.

Meh, yeah, it's okay....but I agree that it doesn't scream "Slayer Sword Winner". Unless it's a two-foot tall scratchbuilt and hand sculpted model.

Posted By E-Arkham on 05/01/2007 1:45 PM

Posted By fellblade on 05/01/2007 12:34 PM

Okay, to quote from the GW site: "This Saturday's Golden Demon entries proved to be the strongest showing ever at an Atlanta Games Day. The judges really had their work cut out for them sorting through all of the impressive conversions and paint jobs to select the winners. "

I'd disagree with that.  There were less entries this year than ever before.  Not only were the Lord of the Rings categories sparsely populated, but the Open Category had noticeably fewer entries and Warhammer Regiment had a mere seven.

That said, there was some excellent work there and well deserved wins.

Kep

Seven? Hell, I only saw six. There was barely even a line around the GD.  There were some great models there, but the overall turnout was piss-poor at best.

after games day france. All of these look like crap. they are the typical over hilighted stuff that is mistaken for good painting. See the demonette from france this year to see what i mean.
http://fr.games-workshop.com/communaute/golden_demon/palmares.asp?annee=2007&pays=france&cat_id=8&place=1

The Atlanta stuff is better than I can do, but even so it just looks childish and ameteurish in comparison to the French stuff.The French and the Spanish are taking painting standards to a whole other level!

All right, I've listened to enough badmouthing. Kep, I'm not directing this at you as your comments are fair and reasonable, and you are, of course, an extraordinary painter.

1. Of course the Atlanta entries are not as strong as those in Paris. Atlanta has the weakest competition of all four American Games Days and Paris has the strongest in the world. They get all the best painters from continental Europe.

2. Reserve you judgment on American Demons until you see the Baltimore and Chicago winners. There are always some amazing US painters there plus some great imports, like Nataliya last year.

3. All this being said, I (and the painting community as a whole -see cool mini or not) thought Atlanta had a good showing. There were excellent models from Todd, Michael Lugo, Fresderick Casler and more. Yes there weren't a ton of high caliber entries, but most of the winners were very good. Todd Swanson is an excellent painter and I suspect he would do quite well if he chose do enter European competitions.

4. The fact that posters would choose to describe any fellow hobbyists models as "Crap, over hilighted stuff that is mistaken for good painting, or childish and ameteurish" is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that you used such words to describe one of the best painters I've ever seen is just puzzling. I don't know what your agenda is with such comments, but you are insulting the work of individual painters and that is messed up. Shame on you Skkipper and Osbad, I look forward to seeing your spectacular painting so I can offer up my comments. I hope you both paint better than you spell.

5. Now that I think about it, I think I'll head over to the Dakka modeling forum and give some honest and objective opinions on the work I see there. I seriously doubt any of the regulars of this forum will deserve more than a 4/10 for there work.

Atlanta is well known as the easy way to get a Golden Daemon because of lack of entries and lack of talent, so get off your high horse Mr. Drive By Poster.

Ah yes, the old "when all else fails, call them a newb" defense. Nice one.

Judgespedd has a point... not a very sharp one, but a point nonetheless. The US Games Workshop site has posted more pictures from the Atlanta Golden Daemon, as promised. We can all go over there and look at some other entries.

...and now that I've seen some of the other entries, I understand how Trogdor won the Slayer Sword.

No, Judgespedd, it was calling someone on an ad hominem attack. You did not critique the opinions soley on validity but also went after them because you presume they can't paint. However, that is irrelevant. Are you not allowed to criticize food because you are not a master chef? Or how about you don't get to say anything about health and fitness because you are not a pro trainer. Just because you sit around in CMON's echo chamber doesn't mean your opinion is any more valuable. (I will leave my rant about the circle jerk that is CMON for another time....)

Some posters didn't like the paint and thought others did it better. So what? I have won numerous painting competitions and have had my work panned by guys who thought drybrushing was the be all of painting technique. Did I get all pissy? Nah; it comes with the territory. If you put your stuff out there it will get critiqued!

FWIW, I wasn't terribly impressed with most of the entries. Was there some good paint? Absolutely. Was it on par with Paris? Hell, no. Do I care that Paris draws from a larger pool? Not really. Will others disagree with me? Seems likely!

Posted By JudgeSpedd on 05/04/2007 7:38 AM
Ah yes, the old "when all else fails, call them a newb" defense. Nice one.

  Atlanta has been discussed on this and other sites in the same terms for the last few years, why are you acting like you need your tampon changed and a mega dose of Midol about the same discussion that has been repeated over and over again?

Again, I had no real beef with people pointing out the fairly weak competition in Atlanta vs Paris, other than the fact that they are pointing out the obvious, given geography and attendance. What did bug me were the nasty words directed at the work of excellent painters, which nobody on this forum could match in their wildest dreams. No, as a matter of fact, you don't get to viciously bash other peoples work if you can't measure up. Not without being called out anyway. The funny thing is, people who can actually paint usually have no desire to put down the work of those who can't. Why then is the inverse always true?

In conclusion, you all suck so shut up. Don't make me scan for photos to prove it.

Posted By JudgeSpedd on 05/04/2007 8:18 AM
 What did bug me were the nasty words directed at the work of excellent painters, which nobody on this forum could match in their wildest dreams.

In conclusion, you all suck so shut up. Don't make me scan for photos to prove it.

Actually, Dakka has had many a fine, fine painter. Award winning painters, even. Migsula is one example, but there have been others.

Regardless of the number of good painters/modelers on this site, we definitely have our fill of rabid monkeys. Take that as you will.

Posted By JudgeSpedd on 05/04/2007 8:18 AM
Again, I had no real beef with people pointing out the fairly weak competition in Atlanta vs Paris, other than the fact that they are pointing out the obvious, given geography and attendance. What did bug me were the nasty words directed at the work of excellent painters, which nobody on this forum could match in their wildest dreams. No, as a matter of fact, you don't get to viciously bash other peoples work if you can't measure up. Not without being called out anyway. The funny thing is, people who can actually paint usually have no desire to put down the work of those who can't. Why then is the inverse always true?

In conclusion, you all suck so shut up. Don't make me scan for photos to prove it.

While posters might have been a little harsh, that's just Dakka-speak.  You could have taken the high road in your response, but instead you chose to come across as overly thin-skinned and immature. 

I happen to agree that the pics show well-painted miniatures, but they're just not to the level you'd expect at a GD these days.  And in case I need "cred," I'm good enough to have won Best Painted at a GT and have made the first cut at Baltimore GD.  That doesn't put me in the elite "pro" category, to be sure.  But you know what?  It doesn't matter.  Anyone has a right to their opinion, and it doesn't need to be that educated of an opinion to compare these miniatures to other events. Maybe you should try developing a thicker skin and some humility. 

In short, if you're going to call yourself a pro, grow up and act like one. If you're going to put your "talent " on display for the world to see, you should be prepared for all opinions, from the educated to the stupid.  Do you think Kelly Clarkson or Justin Timberlake care how many people tell them they suck (I happen to agree)?  Try remaining above those comments, taking your hardware and going home, and then maybe you too will be a professional, little grasshopper.

 

Posted By JudgeSpedd on 05/04/2007 8:18 AM
In conclusion, you all suck so shut up. Don't make me scan for photos to prove it.

It's not that you're a new poster.  It's that your first post is nasty and whiny.   And second.  And third.  One hundred percent of your posts so far have been negative; you've built no cred.   I don't doubt your painting ability, but I do doubt your social skills; you're getting lumped in with the "texting" typists.

There were more mature ways you could have approached this whole thing; by doing so, your admonishments may have struck home.  As it is, they are being tossed aside as insignificant postings.

-=Edit=-  Yeah, what Gorgon said too.

Posted By JudgeSpedd on 05/04/2007 8:18 AM
No, as a matter of fact, you don't get to viciously bash other peoples work if you can't measure up. Not without being called out anyway. 

To quote "The Dude"

"Well, hey thats, like, your opinion, man."

So no one is entitled to an opinion, even if it isnt the most positive accolade, if they arent golden demon finalists or winners?

Opinions are like progenoid glands. Everyone has two!

My opinion is that the statement I quoted from you, is full of the cheapest kind of nonsensical malarky.

In other words, Bollocks.

Posted By stonefox on 05/01/2007 2:21 PM
Hm. Let's hope that the Baltimore GD yields sparse entries too! Between that and last year's 40k squad category, I'll have a fighting chance.

But, you gotta admit, that is a cool model. Shame it's not the real Trogdor though.

if you win, i'm going to cut my hand off..

What did bug me were the nasty words directed at the work of excellent painters, which nobody on this forum could match in their wildest dreams. No, as a matter of fact, you don't get to viciously bash other peoples work if you can't measure up. Not without being called out anyway. The funny thing is, people who can actually paint usually have no desire to put down the work of those who can't. Why then is the inverse always true?

Spoken like a child who never left his high school art class behind, you fat, worthless mong. Do you have a DeviantArt account or a webcomic or something? This is the standard line of defense in these arenas, where the mean quality of work is so piss-poor that mounting any real defense against criticism is impossible.

Do you apply this philosophy to your daily life? That's rhetorical; you don't, and you never have. You criticize things every day. Moreso than most people, I suspect, fatbot. Season three of Babylon Five wasn't nearly as good as season two. The Clone Saga was tripe. Liefield can't draw. Coke is better than Pepsi. Microsoft blows. Bush is a bad president. Something about Final Fantasy. The fansub of Noun Pronoun NonSequitor was better than the that other thing. Metal Gear Bathouse had better third-person queering than Tentacle Kitten Pedo Princess Eternal and all the other tiresome whiny farts that you call opinions echoing through that gaping maw of yours. You couldn't do better in any one of the aforementioned fields, and neither could we, yet you, and all of us, criticize anyway. That's the way criticism works. I shouldn't need to tell you this- most people figure it out before they can goddamn walk- but here we are.

Now give us a link to your DeviantArt account so we can all go look at your terrible Invader Zim Fan Manga* and laugh at you.

*I'm perfectly aware you don't have an Invader Zim Fan Manga. You don't have to make an uppity, passive-agressive "I'm sorry, but" post, you stupid aspie.

Where's the love people?

We should be celebrating/critiquing fine craftsmanship and artistic ability and not tearing each other new ones.

 

 

Love is boring. Abuse is fun. Hence wargames.