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Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

Isn't Zhad and the Chinork FW units? Zhad isn't shabby, and a Chinork can be really useful.

Gitdakka wrote:
Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

So basically you are saying all knights should be just banned or it's not friendly? There's far worse knights in codex and ones that can get warlord trait/relic without having 2 other tag along(and can have more than 1 with relic/trait to begin with!) and are more deadly.

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:
Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

So basically you are saying all knights should be just banned or it's not friendly? There's far worse knights in codex and ones that can get warlord trait/relic without having 2 other tag along(and can have more than 1 with relic/trait to begin with!) and are more deadly.

I said nothing about banning knights.

I'd like to see more options for taking them down, but I don't really mind Knights.

The only single knights ive ever had seemingly unfair problems with is the FW ones or the Castellan/Valiant. They all feel horribly underpriced for what they do. The others dont bug me that much.

I think the only reliable way to kill/hurt them for orks would be mortal wounds. So lots of boyz to buff up 3 weirdboyz smites or madly charging in gunwagons into knights to get those easy explosions when they inevitably die. Or ignore them/shoot the non rotating one if they have more than one knight

So many peeps at the LVO thought orks were gonna win it, but tbf I always had my doubts.


Dark Eldar and Castellan Soup is just too good againgst orks atm for them to win it all.


I took nidz which was dumb because orks just do everything nids do and better, but I had a blast an it was a great weekend.

lot of locals seem to think orks are top tier for some reason.
I like the description i heard in here a few pages ago: Orks arent great per-say, theyre gatekeepers. Their tactics are cripplingly good until you find a way to deal with them and they fold like wet paper.
And yeah i thought about getting a nid army at some point until i realized i'd play them the exact same way i play orks lol...and be weaker at it...

What were the lists that made it fairly far at the lVO? Same loota star?

So I was looking at conversions online for inspiration with my own two wip conversions, mekadread and bonekrusha, when I came across som buggy conversions. It got me thinking. I hadn't seen any index buggies this edition and decided to take a look at the rules. I decided I want to try them out.

Now for me they would fulfill a role similar but different to tankbustaz. I would take them as rokkit buggies and as evil sunz. This would give me the ability to move and advance them and still shoot the rokkit a with no shooting penalty and with my wartrike can charge. So they would have a minimum of 17" movement before charging. When they charge I would use them against things like guardsmen and screens. they have a decent profile with T5 5W 4A and 4+Sv. So my unit of 5 would be 25 wounds which is nice. Has anyone had experience using them? And did you use them in outflank or move them up the board.

To be fair, Nick's only loss was by one measly point to the 2nd place eldar flyer spam guy who then proceeded to completely steamroll his first two opponents in the top 8 before losing a close game to Grant. Apart from Grant, Nick and Steve's orks were actually the only people who gave him any sort of trouble and either one of them could have easily made the top 8. I'm not saying orks are top tier because frankly no mono faction has a shot with the craziness of soup right now. As far as mono factions go though I would put them somewhere in the top(ish) tier or at the very least we have the capability to compete with the top tier mono factions

As for Index buggies, a unit of five has a large footprint - sometimes I struggled to use their 36” range on BS’s on a 4’ table. Outflanking is dependant on terrain. Can you fit all five on a board edge 9” from the enemy? You might be right about running them as Sunz with Rokkit. Though 10 shots with two or three hits giving six wounds max won’t upset many vehicles. Feedback with your experience, do.

Index buggies don't have dakkadakkadakka do they? Meaning the can be made to miss with negative modifiers and can't generate extra shots.

I have plenty of old buggy conversions but I think that if you want to use the old rokkit buggies then converting them to deffkoptas might be an idea worth looking into. Rokkit deffkoptas aren't great because the rack of rokkits is a bit too expensive but at least they're really quick and have fly.

Gitdakka wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:
Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

So basically you are saying all knights should be just banned or it's not friendly? There's far worse knights in codex and ones that can get warlord trait/relic without having 2 other tag along(and can have more than 1 with relic/trait to begin with!) and are more deadly.

I said nothing about banning knights.

Well if lancer is not friendly list then any knight in the list is not friendly list. Lancer isn't even close to being best one.

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:
Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

So basically you are saying all knights should be just banned or it's not friendly? There's far worse knights in codex and ones that can get warlord trait/relic without having 2 other tag along(and can have more than 1 with relic/trait to begin with!) and are more deadly.

I said nothing about banning knights.

Well if lancer is not friendly list then any knight in the list is not friendly list. Lancer isn't even close to being best one.

Doubles is normally a much more chilled out affair where a WAAC attittude would be strange. The combined list those other dudes brought doesn't scream "friendly game", nor is it fluffy. If you organised a friendly game at your local and the other guy rocked up with a FW knight it would raise eyebrows.

On a completely different note does anyone have any links/images of converted 2nd edition gretchin. My army runs 70 grots and about 20 are the old school single pose model. Just wondering if anyone has any examples of how to spice them up.

CaptainO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gitdakka wrote:
Before we were wiped out round 3, I think we got it down to its lowest bracket but it still had like 8 wounds, after ~50 power klaw attacks and ~200 loota shots. It only killed all our characters, 10 lootas, 1 mega nob, and the morkanaught and a deff dredd. The rest were killed by doomsday archs, hellverins and 10 destroyers. These guys won the sportsmanship award somehow. Sure they were nice guys but i dont think it was a friendly list.

So basically you are saying all knights should be just banned or it's not friendly? There's far worse knights in codex and ones that can get warlord trait/relic without having 2 other tag along(and can have more than 1 with relic/trait to begin with!) and are more deadly.

I said nothing about banning knights.

Well if lancer is not friendly list then any knight in the list is not friendly list. Lancer isn't even close to being best one.

Doubles is normally a much more chilled out affair where a WAAC attittude would be strange. The combined list those other dudes brought doesn't scream "friendly game", nor is it fluffy. If you organised a friendly game at your local and the other guy rocked up with a FW knight it would raise eyebrows.

On a completely different note does anyone have any links/images of converted 2nd edition gretchin. My army runs 70 grots and about 20 are the old school single pose model. Just wondering if anyone has any examples of how to spice them up.

Right that was my point. They had some cool fluff though. It was themed around the void dragon taking controll of the imperial machines

PiñaColada wrote:
Index buggies don't have dakkadakkadakka do they? Meaning the can be made to miss with negative modifiers and can't generate extra shots.

I have plenty of old buggy conversions but I think that if you want to use the old rokkit buggies then converting them to deffkoptas might be an idea worth looking into. Rokkit deffkoptas aren't great because the rack of rokkits is a bit too expensive but at least they're really quick and have fly.

I have like 15 koptas and was going to convert the buggies from some of them. Or from old gorkamorka trukks. I know the buggies aren't optimal but I think I'll give them a try. My opponents thus far have been very surprised by the speed of my speed freaks. I have had first turn charges on more than one occasion. So I guess at this point it would be because I think they are cool.

On a completely different note does anyone have any links/images of converted 2nd edition gretchin. My army runs 70 grots and about 20 are the old school single pose model. Just wondering if anyone has any examples of how to spice them up.

These arent mine but thought they were adorable

 Vineheart01 wrote:
go figure the only FW stuff thats actually strong is imperial...

I'll be taking a Killtank to the next local tournament. Kitting it out with a Bursta kannon and 3x twin big shootas. I don't expect it to work wonders or even be worth it's points. The gun is decent but for 442 pts a joke. Even though it can hit on 3's being Freebootaz. I expect to plung it into combat now and again for 8 S10 attacks. The nobz hanging on will help it out a bit.

Rest of the list will probably be 2x Chinork carried nobz with combi-skorchas and dual choppas/ Flash gits in a Chinork and 3 smasha guns, 2 Boosta Blastas and a souped-up SAG + Biker boss. I expect to have some fun.

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I like the idea of Index buggies (amongst the new ones) a lot. But wouldn't it be better to use the Big Shoota ones and use them for chaff clearance?

For the index buggies, i think the skorcha ones are the best
Add evil suns for faster flamer spam or blood axes so you can fall back and roast.

 Ratius wrote:

On a completely different note does anyone have any links/images of converted 2nd edition gretchin. My army runs 70 grots and about 20 are the old school single pose model. Just wondering if anyone has any examples of how to spice them up.

These arent mine but thought they were adorable

Painting them different colour seems to be a way to mix it up. I was wondering if anyone has swapped out heads from the new gretchin pack or was able to swap out the weapon.

I have done head swaps. Only a little conversion needed

 Singleton Mosby wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
go figure the only FW stuff thats actually strong is imperial...

I'll be taking a Killtank to the next local tournament. Kitting it out with a Bursta kannon and 3x twin big shootas. I don't expect it to work wonders or even be worth it's points. The gun is decent but for 442 pts a joke. Even though it can hit on 3's being Freebootaz. I expect to plung it into combat now and again for 8 S10 attacks. The nobz hanging on will help it out a bit.

Rest of the list will probably be 2x Chinork carried nobz with combi-skorchas and dual choppas/ Flash gits in a Chinork and 3 smasha guns, 2 Boosta Blastas and a souped-up SAG + Biker boss. I expect to have some fun.

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I like the idea of Index buggies (amongst the new ones) a lot. But wouldn't it be better to use the Big Shoota ones and use them for chaff clearance?

Didnt the killtank get overhyked in points because initially it was something silly like ~300pts?
I remember people gawking at killtanks and then CA superjacked their price and now nobody likes them.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Didnt the killtank get overhyked in points because initially it was something silly like ~300pts?
I remember people gawking at killtanks and then CA superjacked their price and now nobody likes them.

That's correct. Mine wasn't painted yet so I never used it before.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
I have done head swaps. Only a little conversion needed

could you show/send a pic when you can.

C

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 Singleton Mosby wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
go figure the only FW stuff thats actually strong is imperial...

I'll be taking a Killtank to the next local tournament. Kitting it out with a Bursta kannon and 3x twin big shootas. I don't expect it to work wonders or even be worth it's points. The gun is decent but for 442 pts a joke. Even though it can hit on 3's being Freebootaz. I expect to plung it into combat now and again for 8 S10 attacks. The nobz hanging on will help it out a bit.

Rest of the list will probably be 2x Chinork carried nobz with combi-skorchas and dual choppas/ Flash gits in a Chinork and 3 smasha guns, 2 Boosta Blastas and a souped-up SAG + Biker boss. I expect to have some fun.

-

I like the idea of Index buggies (amongst the new ones) a lot. But wouldn't it be better to use the Big Shoota ones and use them for chaff clearance?

Didnt the killtank get overhyked in points because initially it was something silly like ~300pts?
I remember people gawking at killtanks and then CA superjacked their price and now nobody likes them.

Sure but arent land raiders like ~300 points now?

Killtank WAS that cheap.
Gigashoota + twin big shoota + 2 rack o rockets was 311pts. That was kinda absurd even if it lacked invul saves and still had a 4+ armor.

Now its 472pts for that same loadout. And thats roughly the Gargsquig cost, which is significantly tougher and still dies pretty easy when other titanics are involved.

The fact that its a longer ranged gunboat is about the only reason it lives. Heck i almost dont even want rokkits on it because its 48pts for 4 rokkits that for the most part i wont get against targets i want it for, except a knight or something melee thats gonna break that 24" gap super fast anyway.
Which goes into why i think any of the non-"basic" knights are kinda on the ridiculous side. They all cost roughly the same as the killtank and are way deadlier/harder to kill, or only cost ~200pts more for EASILY twice the dakka power and still harder to kill

I feel you but what im saying is that Kill tanks should probably be costed similarly to a LR. All said and done maybe 50 or so points more. I seriously doubt that balancing FW is anywhere near a priority for GW, Probably better that they dont do it.

Just saying it would be nice to have a proper tank.

Don't count gw on balancing fw models. We are talking about company that upped automatic i lose models by 33% or gave unit not seen even near top tables 300% price hike. They want gamers to spend money on higher profit margin plastic models leaving less profit margin resin for collectors who wouldn't be spamming same model anyway