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Nurgle tome, character Vanguard box and Dominion Stormcast and Krule boyz characters next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/05/shadow-throne-and-maggotkin-loom-large-in-this-weeks-sunday-preview/

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Anyone placing bets on what price the Stormcast and Kruleboyz sprues end up going for?

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Anyone placing bets on what price the Stormcast and Kruleboyz sprues end up going for?

More than you have to pay for a Dominion box most places .

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Yeah, at least a 200% price increase. Always fun.

I think the full Indomitus was 250% even if you got the bulk of it by way of starter sets.


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Prices (UK, Euro confirmed US based on current GW pricing )

Battletome £30, €37.50, $50
Rotbringer Sorcerer £18.50, €22.50, $30
Vanguard £78.50, €100, $125
Dice £20, €25, $35
Warscrolls £17.50, €22.50, $30


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So I guess this was the reason for the delay on the dragons earlier? (I wasn't really following that closely)



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Celebrate Christmas the Orruk Way with this Year’s Festive Miniatures

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Celebrate Christmas the Orruk Way with this Year’s Festive Miniatures

This year’s special festive models are an orruk brute boss and his grot mate who have a special affinity for hunting skaven. Without further ado, here are Bawla and Burk.

While Bawla merrily hacks his way through skaven armies, Burk keeps the rat swarms out of his way. In fact, this grot is so cunning, we doubt that rat will ever catch him!

As you can see, Bawla isn’t just good at slaying rodents – that definitely looks like a Stormcast Eternals helmet hitched to his belt, most likely as a trophy.

Bawla and Burk will be available at your local Warhammer store between the 26th of December and the 2nd of January. Don’t worry if you can’t get out to get yours, because this perilous pair will then be made available on games-workshop.com between the 3rd of January and the 9th of January on a Made to Order basis – so everyone who wants these incredible miniatures can get them.

In games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, you can use the deadly duo as a characterful leader for a unit of Orruk Brutes. Alternatively, the diorama is a great painting challenge, or perhaps you’ll use it as inspiration for next year’s Armies on Parade – we’d love to see a board of skaven-hunting orruks!

Get ready for the arrival of Bawla and Burk by picking up a unit of Orruk Brutes, and get in the mood for killing some Skaven with the classic Black Library novel Skavenslayer. And sign up for our newsletter so you don’t miss out on any more new model reveals.

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I'm wheezing at that video.

It seems that whoever edited it forgot to license the song. You can faintly hear the Premium-beat "watermark".
   
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Reportedly longstrikes and sentinels up 20, fulminators up 30

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 Ghaz wrote:
So I guess this was the reason for the delay on the dragons earlier? (I wasn't really following that closely)

Premium model for Premium price I guess

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 Dysartes wrote:
Anyone placing bets on what price the Stormcast and Kruleboyz sprues end up going for?
Hm, $75 for each.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Anyone placing bets on what price the Stormcast and Kruleboyz sprues end up going for?
Hm, $75 for each.

I'd guess closer to $100 given their costs for the 40K one, but my local shop which doesn't normally do discounts had the Dominion box for $150 yesterday when I went in. I do not need a second copy.I do not need a second copy. I do not need a second copy. Though I might get a second copy tommorrow as the shop does a 20% credit for purchases on tuesdays....

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
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40k is the frontrunner that they can get away with the highest pricing, as they move away from that prices get progressively less aggressive, even hitting downright reasonable on some of the specialist games. That's why I'm thinking it'll be less for the AoS one.

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tneva82 wrote:
Reportedly longstrikes and sentinels up 20, fulminators up 30


Pretty conservative change for the first two, given the amount of heat they get online.

Fulminators is interesting as they were arguably SCE's best unit per points once the recent Stormdrake points were revealed. Might've been the best even before the change, but now its a slightly tougher choice to select them.

I don't think I've seen any rumors of points/scroll changes that I disagree with so far. Tentatively excited for the update.

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Sunmetal weapons would be one rule I'd hope they outright change rather than try to balance with points. If the trigger was on the wound roll Sentinels wouldn't be an issue.

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 nels1031 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Reportedly longstrikes and sentinels up 20, fulminators up 30


Pretty conservative change for the first two, given the amount of heat they get online.

Fulminators is interesting as they were arguably SCE's best unit per points once the recent Stormdrake points were revealed. Might've been the best even before the change, but now its a slightly tougher choice to select them.

I don't think I've seen any rumors of points/scroll changes that I disagree with so far. Tentatively excited for the update.


Fulminators are just bonkers atm and pretty much invalidates other cavalry models so either they had to go up or others needs to go down. And frankly going up is better for external balance. They are just bonkers. Even just 2 have been MVP's for me consistently. Only reason not to field more is lack of models.

Shooter increases are indeed quite low and sentinels are still less than I was expecting pre-GHB reveals even on my concervative estimation. Still super good but does generally drop unit or maybe portal. Say pretty standard teclis list atm teclis+cathallar+loreseeker+20 wardens+30 sentinels+5 bladelords+portal you either drop bladelords, portal or loreseeker or 10 wardens to make room for sentinel increase. None of those is insignificant. 10 wardens or 5 bladelords probably easiest to lose but lack of bladelords make calthallar more vulnerable and generally you lose melee punch/screen.

All 3 def need increases.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
40k is the frontrunner that they can get away with the highest pricing, as they move away from that prices get progressively less aggressive, even hitting downright reasonable on some of the specialist games. That's why I'm thinking it'll be less for the AoS one.


I definitely hope you're right, but I don't think your reasoning works out. AoS started out with higher cost for Sigmarine troops (per model) before they were reboxed and established the current default of 45€ for ten models that has since also been adopted for 40k. I'm also not seeing a difference between AoS and 40k centerpiece models, such as Katakros and the Triumph of Saint Katherine.

Even before AoS found its footing the game has had high prices that matched 40k. GW has basically acknowledged with 3rd ed and the removal of free rules that AoS is established as a main game, and I don't think it's going to get anything cheaper than 40k. Outliers exist, of course, but by and large, I'd look at a comparable 40k kit to see where the price is headed.

With a big'un, a banner bearer and three elite troops each, they look pretty close to the Necron group from Indomitus to me, so I'd expect to see an 85€ price tag unless GW felt like raising prices again for the lulz.

Be fun to find out no matter the outcome. I bought Dominion, so I'm good either way. But I suspect I'll find I made the right choice once the price is revealed.

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 Ghaz wrote:
So I guess this was the reason for the delay on the dragons earlier? (I wasn't really following that closely)




From beginning to end, this whole dragons fiasco has been a debacle - delayed release, nerfed, nerfed again... then miscast.

I've wanted these since they were announced but I've never been so happy to be poor. Hopefully by the time I get around to buying them all of this mess is over and done with. Shame they'll be about 1.5kpts for 2 of the little ones by then though.

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I can't really fault them for delayed release though, given the current world situation.

And as far as the nerfs go, I'm not too miffed about them. Like I said when the dragon riders were nerfed, I'd have preferred a few other balance violators fixed first but I appreciate the effort. Then again, I like how they "rebalanced" them prior to their release so that folks weren't stuck with stuff they couldn't use or had the army list that they might've had in mind invalidated/changed.

I'm curious how/if GW will fix this miscast issue for folks. Send out a new sprue? Gift voucher? Wholesale replacement of the kit(not likely)?

Also, Maggotkin previews :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/07/in-battletome-maggotkin-of-nurgle-the-diseased-rule-is-a-gift-that-just-keeps-on-giving/

Everything comes in cycles for the followers of Nurgle, and inevitability is part and parcel of life. We know that you’ve been waiting for the release of Battletome Maggotkin of Nurgle, and your patience is set to be rewarded with Grandfather’s bountiful gifts this Saturday.

Deep in the Garden of Nurgle, Grandfather concocts deadly diseases for his daemonic spawn and mortal followers to spread. He’s been working for a long time on this latest batch, and his results will bring calamity to your opponents with a new rule that will see your foes afflicted with deleterious agues and buboes.*

That’s right, even getting close to Maggotkin units triggers this. They’ve been learning from their kin in the 41st Millenium,and have amped up the foul smells, corrosive gasses, and swarms of biting insects.

Use this to promulgate a panoply of poxes to enemy units, making your opponent think twice about charging if they want to keep the contents of their stomachs. Unless infected units use healing magic or abilities, they won’t be able to shift this rot.

If you thought that was bad enough, you were wrong. The weapons of the Maggotkin make a mockery of good maintenance and hygiene.** These corroded slabs of metal and suppurating Daemon claws all weep with foul blights that transfer maladies every time they score a critical blow.

This isn’t the only vector for Disease Points. Spells and abilities also help you drown your foes in plague-ridden effluence.

This is a major change from their previous Battletome, and perfectly encapsulates what it feels like to try and battle against these grimy guys, where fatal blows simply cause flesh to slough off without major effect,*** while filth, flies, and rot wash back over you in retaliation.

Battletome: Maggotkin of Nurgle is worming its way to pre-order this Saturday, but keep an eye on the Warhammer Community website as we reveal a few more details of this bilious book of blights.

* He tests these diseases on the Poxfulcrum, a daemon bestowed with the twin gifts of extreme susceptibility to disease and the ability to overpower them rapidly. How… lucky?

** Let’s be honest, it’s not just the weapons.

*** Slough is our number-one Nurgle word. There are six more.

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Of COURSE Nurgle gets a set of awesome rules.

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Is it, particularly? It doesn't seem bad, but you give 1 disease point at the end of movement and end of combat (both players?) and at the battleshock phase, on a 4+ it becomes a MW and all disease points but 1 go away. Diseased weapons will add a few more each fight, but if you go all in each turn, you're getting maybe 3.5 MW out on a unit you're attacking, and maybe 1 on a unit that's just nearby (and _close_ nearby).

Its a lot of bookkeeping for a bunch of rolls that's basically just a scattering of MWs.

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It will be nice chip damage and plays into the attrition style they seem to be going for.

It will live and die by how the artifacts/traits/spells etc play into it. If there are apply them on 5+ abilities and weapons and auras that improve the more diseased the target is it will be powerful thematic and fun.

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Will they still have that turn-to-turn cycle of life thing?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Will they still have that turn-to-turn cycle of life thing?


After having made sure people bought Blightwar to get the fancy cardboard cycle tracker, probably not

   
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I am sure the krulboyz and stormcast boxes will be expensive. I love all things Orks but that fancy holiday mini is just too bland and basic. If they are going to release a limited miniature it should be something special like the Catachan commander to help out the stores. I wonder if the old management snuck in the back door with how the company is being run.

 
   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Will they still have that turn-to-turn cycle of life thing?


After having made sure people bought Blightwar to get the fancy cardboard cycle tracker, probably not
As someone who owns it... I hope I never have to use it again. The mechanic was neither much fun nor fitting to Nurgle. It ended up being a schizophrenic blob of random bonuses that changed every turn and may be fantastic or completely worthless.

This new disease mechanic, on the other hand, that I am liking quite a lot.

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If they only give the disease chip damage Nurgle will be much worse off. The cycle game nurgle some speed and ability to hit hard. By the time the slow disease mechanic makes any real impact the game will be over.

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broxus wrote:
If they only give the disease chip damage Nurgle will be much worse off. The cycle game nurgle some speed and ability to hit hard. By the time the slow disease mechanic makes any real impact the game will be over.


But that chip damage is in addition to normal damage. And when taken in with the statlines that were leaked of the Blightkings and Glottkin, damage was going to go up even before the disease mechanic was revealed. If those two were getting buffed, its stands to reason that others in the book are as well, so I think the lethality of most Maggotkin units is going up.

Regarding speed, it always felt like the mobility that a Maggotkin army could display in certain instances felt out of character in my mind. Speed should be Slaanesh's thing.

We'll know soon for sure, though. I'm sure some reviews are going to pop up this weekend and the next week.

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Speed is something Nurgle should NOT be getting. I always resented the speed buffs being handed out to the army that is iconic for being slow.

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Tough to balance in a system that rewards holding the midfield. You need either speed or killing power.

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