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I just hope that soul cloning doesn't exclude Chaos Dwarfs, it would be a huge missed opportunity and a tough smell of Mary Sue.
   
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A mystery involving them being artificially manufactured beings designed by another mysterious higher level being and created with souls that have a high level of warp resistance and the ability to colonize space? Sounds a lot like the Men of Stone.
   
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Fascinating little article. I like the idea of all that, plus the artwork in that article is extremely cool.


The cloning is very interesting, makes sense from an ancient humanity idea. If you are planning to colonise the stars, you'd want to be able to give future generations certain traits that will benefit them in the cold darkness of the stars.

Very interested to see how the artwork transcribes into the models..

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The different faces types and expressions is amazing there. Very Fresh ideas and I love it!

   
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My first thought with the clones is that it is a Sci if variant of a Dwarven caste system. Kind of a Dragon Age feel to me.
   
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So going by the article I am getting a COG’s vibe but with squats. Weird but ok I guess

   
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I'm guessing the Kin's weakness will be their AI gods/ancestors. Their veneration of them suggests a degree of dependence on them.

Perhaps as their ancestor cores die/grow slower/go insane, they have fewer cloneskeins available over time. Perhaps only the most common get made, with the more specialized ones becoming rarer and rarer to the point of going extinct. Maybe Living Ancestors are psychic and long lived cloneskeins that virtually stopped being made, so any survivors really are like ancestors from the distant past. While the existence of Necromunda Squats shows the possibility of natural reproduction of at least the "baseline" template, perhaps the more specialized stuff does not breed true and requires this genetic engineering, which may be DAoT tech and beyond the ability of current Kin to understand.

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 NAVARRO wrote:
The different faces types and expressions is amazing there. Very Fresh ideas and I love it!


Yeah its like some of the recent Kharadron character art - looks fantastic! Very atmospheric and the art of the ship/massive machine looks amazing.

Loving all this - the idea that a race associated with making/engineering was made/engineered to survive/thrive in the environment is brilliant.
I'm betting Living Ancestors are still a thing and there will be some great stuff around the different Cloneskiens. So many questions around their history and have they been absent or what?
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting; the Emperor didn’t want to make humanity “immune” to chaos - he wanted to defeat chaos utterly and return the warp to its state of calm before the old ones started screwing around, when the sufficiently skilled could walk between worlds without needing either ship or webway. For that, he needed a united, educated, rational, and strongly psychic humanity. The dulling of the kin is very much not that, whether or not you think his ambitions to have been foolish hubris.


I haven't heard that specific interpretation of the Emperor's plan -- can you tell me where I can find this fluff?


Wasn't it back in Realms of Chaos, where the Emperor wanted to evolve humanity into a fully psychic species? Extra dramatic irony that he now needs to devour psykers to stay alive, and the Ecclesiarchy acting 'in his name' hates witches.

I haven't read much of the Horus Heresy series though, so it may well have been retconned there.
   
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 silverstu wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
The different faces types and expressions is amazing there. Very Fresh ideas and I love it!


Yeah its like some of the recent Kharadron character art - looks fantastic! Very atmospheric and the art of the ship/massive machine looks amazing.

Loving all this - the idea that a race associated with making/engineering was made/engineered to survive/thrive in the environment is brilliant.
I'm betting Living Ancestors are still a thing and there will be some great stuff around the different Cloneskiens. So many questions around their history and have they been absent or what?


Completely agree. So far, it seems like they're really knocked the ball out of the park on this one. This might be the first codex in many years that I'd be prepared to purchase for the background alone. Doesn't hurt that both of the models revealed so far have been fantastic.

I really like how the studio appears to be walking the line between technological mastery and fatal civilizational flaw. And honestly, it's just refreshing to see a human faction that's so distinct from the Imperium. Definitely didn't realize how much I'd missed that until now.
   
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Aren't the Leagues of Votann just Necrontyr +1?
It would have been damned useful for the Necrontyr if they had that sort of genetic engineering with no downsides.

The Votann are a techy race too lead by AI.

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The cloneskein technology sounds an awful lot like the technology the Emperor used to create space marine geneseed and/or Thunderwarriors (who were also engineered to be psychically resistant too).

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Genetic engineering is not new to the setting. I mean, pretty much everyone except the Necrons, Chaos Daemons and Tau are engineered species.
   
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I dunno, didn't the Tau evolve crazy fast? Sounds like some bit of genetic shenanigans at play there.

Also, are the Votann dependent on cloning vats to reproduce, or can they do it the normal way?
Could be an interesting distinction between them and the Squats in the case of the former.

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 Tyran wrote:
Genetic engineering is not new to the setting. I mean, pretty much everyone except the Necrons, Chaos Daemons and Tau are engineered species.


There is speculation that one of the Eldar factions engineered the Tau to make them resistant to Chaos, and to make sure that they followed the Ethereals.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Aren't the Leagues of Votann just Necrontyr +1?
It would have been damned useful for the Necrontyr if they had that sort of genetic engineering with no downsides.

The Votann are a techy race too lead by AI.


We only have a single article to go by for now. Also GW shmucks at all their early drafts of background. It's the later follow ups that usually flesh things out. I wouldn't be surprised if all the cloning has made them mentally deranged, the sort of typical dwarf trope, that they live by obscure conservative rules and traditions that make no sense from an outsiders perspective. Also as I understand it, the cloning only happend 10.000 years ago and shaped their genetic foundations, with certain traits that are being passed by regular bonking, probably inbreeding bonking. That alone will come with all sorts of issues. That isn't too different from what the Tau did by selective breeding. So this will likely be their theme: Once great people, but created by a terrible flaw, now drift through space guided by their own mental challenges and their increasingly dementing AIs that they venerate as infailable gods. There will probably also be strife among the AIs, the casts and likely certain "Skiens" that are deemed intollerable by many, to justify Squat on Squat matches. So far, every faction in 40K got it's Grimdark at some point, even if we are running around with a staggering amount of Mary Sues.
   
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I am pretty sure we are going to see the dark side of the League with the next Codex
while this time they are the new shiny good guys that have everything, the next Codex will give hints that not everything is good (as we had with Tau)

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 kodos wrote:
I am pretty sure we are going to see the dark side of the League with the next Codex
while this time they are the new shiny good guys that have everything, the next Codex will give hints that not everything is good (as we had with Tau)

That's kind of backwards though, isn't it?
Wouldn't it save the community a lot of headache if they just had the dark bits in the current codex now instead of inserting them later in response to complaints that 40k isn't Grimdark anymore?

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I can't believe that I am genuinely exited about bloody squats! I basically never like dwarf archetypes and I always thought that squatting the original silly bearded bikers was well deserved, but this new take has really got me intrigued. It actually seems to broaden the setting, explore the history of the humanity, and insert some cool old school scifi concepts. And the look is pretty solid too, albeit I like the new Necromunda miner squats more than the 40K ones. But this is like a breath of fresh air to the moldy setting that has gotten far too small and self referential.

   
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I'm interested to see how Squats treat other races. I know it's been stated that they have traded with the Demiurge before, but that might be an extremely limited thing.

I somehow doubt that they would allow other races, even normal humans, to have more than the slightest access to their ships. Their homeworlds? Well, perhaps the minor colonies, but nothing mainstream.
   
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 kodos wrote:
I am pretty sure we are going to see the dark side of the League with the next Codex
while this time they are the new shiny good guys that have everything, the next Codex will give hints that not everything is good (as we had with Tau)


In the first two lore articles alone they've explained that they're a tech-worshippers who solve problems by asking computer-orbs questions and then waiting 100 years for an answer, and that they employ eugenics.

If you're taking them as shiny good guys, I have questions.

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Why would there be Chaos lov there where no chaos squads as an army. Only some chaos squad models.

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There are always ways to explain Chaos-versions of non-corruptible races.

I can already see like Chaos-Kin being the result of a Cloneskein getting corrupted and the resulting offspring being Chaosified.
   
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There is a practical limit to the number of armies running around, and 'This one, but chaos' is one of the most boring answers possible.

If you absolutely have to, throw a model or two into a renegade/traitor guard squad.

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We do not even have a proper traitor guard army and people already want Chaos LoV? lol.
   
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Voss wrote:
There is a practical limit to the number of armies running around, and 'This one, but chaos' is one of the most boring answers possible.

If you absolutely have to, throw a model or two into a renegade/traitor guard squad.


I think people want or think of chaos votann because there were chaos squats and chaos dwarves, so if they are bringing them back then bring the chaos ones too.

I for am not bothered and agree it would be lazy. Let’s just enjoys squats being back.


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 Crimson wrote:
I can't believe that I am genuinely exited about bloody squats! I basically never like dwarf archetypes and I always thought that squatting the original silly bearded bikers was well deserved, but this new take has really got me intrigued. It actually seems to broaden the setting, explore the history of the humanity, and insert some cool old school scifi concepts. And the look is pretty solid too, albeit I like the new Necromunda miner squats more than the 40K ones. But this is like a breath of fresh air to the moldy setting that has gotten far too small and self referential.


Apart for. The bit where yiu don’t like old squats I agree whole heartedly.

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For chaos squats, I believe Dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy were either highly resistant or immune to the warp, Chaos Dwarfs usually just wanted to join, to mess around with Chaos stuff for their inventions, but I want chaos guard and admech first.

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I’m sure if someone wanted chaos Votann you will be able to convert to their hearts content and run it under some version of normal Votann rules. You can run a perfectly adequate traitor guard army using normal guard rules with a touch of counts as and some conversion work.

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 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
For chaos squats, I believe Dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy were either highly resistant or immune to the warp, Chaos Dwarfs usually just wanted to join, to mess around with Chaos stuff for their inventions, but I want chaos guard and admech first.


Highly resistant, since non-Dawi-Zharr Chaos Dwarfs did exist, but very rarely. The Actual Chaos Dwarfs never followed the big four, but a seperate entity called Hashut. They kind of made a "deal with the devil" in order to survive the coming of the first great chaos incursion of the Warhammer Fantasy world.

I could however see a Votann get corrupted by chaos and the Kin worshipping it regardless.

I do agree that Chaos-Kin is a little to early to wishlist as a faction, but atleast speculating on it won't do any harm. There are major factions in the lore that deserve a codex before this ever becomes a reality.
   
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There was originally chaos squats but they appeared when there was chaos everything [gsc was another]. Want to convert them up? Absolutely fine . But its a dull idea that every thing just becomes an option for chaos- chaos necrons, chaos Tau, chaos Nids.. Absolutely as personal project army but chaos has plenty of other toys, plus that lore seems to fairly strongly imply they are designed to be highly resistant to chaos.

Anyway I was thinking about the Cloneskiens - they act a little like elder paths enabling specialism through genes rather than the eldar training. So maybe we might see different units have different in game abilities/stats? It also might have societal problems - individual Kin born and therefore stuck unspecific roles within the culture. Very interesting possibilities ..
   
 
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