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BrianDavion wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
I think it's funny how so many think that Davion has an obsession with Autocannons, but they also do a lot with lasers, too. Ever here of the ReEngineered Laser? That was NAIS work.


the "davions love autocanons" meme stems from a minor mention in one of the tro 3025 entries mentioned "duke davions love of autocanons" and in fairness the two "most davion" medium mechs are proably the centurion and enforcer.. that said the 3025 D varients tend to strip missiles and machine guns for additional armor and turn mechs into laser boats.


I mean, there’s also the Davion (attempted) replacement for the Rifleman in the Jagermech

(Half of the Davion Rifleman variants going with bigger ACs was a thing too, the other half went with PPCs)

   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:

Just in time for American Thanksgiving, I finished a whole force of turkeys! More pics on IG:
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A whole lot of doubled caution here.

Besides Thanksgiving or not, you should know better than to try to cook a bird is it has gone green, you are likely to die of something.


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 Miguelsan wrote:
Hit them with artillery while they are clustered together!
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I would not do that if I were you, you will only piss them off.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah the LGR is an odd one specifically because it weighs as much as the full-sized Clan version, and is so outclassed it's not funny. I'd rather take Large Lasers in the place of LGRs.

HGRs on the other hand. And, even better, Silver Bullet Gauss! Yes! More of that please!

A Thunder Hawk with a pair of regular Gauss Rifles and a Silver Bullet Gauss to back them up is a thing of beauty.




I have to asks why the SBG love when a HAG 20 just plain does it better ? Is it a self imposed Inner Sphere thing ?

Damn I so want to throw a Regent-C down on the table.
   
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Jerram wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah the LGR is an odd one specifically because it weighs as much as the full-sized Clan version, and is so outclassed it's not funny. I'd rather take Large Lasers in the place of LGRs.

HGRs on the other hand. And, even better, Silver Bullet Gauss! Yes! More of that please!

A Thunder Hawk with a pair of regular Gauss Rifles and a Silver Bullet Gauss to back them up is a thing of beauty.

I have to asks why the SBG love when a HAG 20 just plain does it better ? Is it a self imposed Inner Sphere thing ?

Damn I so want to throw a Regent-C down on the table.

Considering mixing tech is currently classified as "Experimental", it won't be available unless one is playing Clan side. There are also people who prefer to just use stock machines and one faction, yeah. There is also a challenge in using IS Tech vs Clan Tech and winning. And let's face it, there is no other way to cluster a Gauss attack in the Inner Sphere without buying Clantech.

Though, it is amusing that HAG is considered Standard while the SBG is considered Advanced. Crazy stuff in consideration.

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I just think by the time you get to the current era continuing to insist on clan and IS as separate tech bases is just a little goofy. I mean there are so many canon design that are mixed tech anyways.
   
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Jerram wrote:
I just think by the time you get to the current era continuing to insist on clan and IS as separate tech bases is just a little goofy. I mean there are so many canon design that are mixed tech anyways.

I'm not disagreeing, I am just pointing out how it the different standards that apply right now. If nothing else, I think the introduction of IlClan should make mixed tech a Standard thing. But if the idea is that it should be kept out of "tournament" play, then one is making a lot of "current" designs unplayable as stock and would have to be altered to fit within that paradigm. Something I've done so I can run my Clan Mechs when we do Introtech night.

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Do you have the wording of mixed tech is experimental are we sure that doesn't just apply to player created which are at least advanced anyways because the canon mixed tech design seem to be standard according to the MUL.
   
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Jerram wrote:
Do you have the wording of mixed tech is experimental are we sure that doesn't just apply to player created which are at least advanced anyways because the canon mixed tech design seem to be standard according to the MUL.

The Tech Manual does not allow for the mixing of tech. It's either all Inner Sphere or all Clan. That automatically makes it not Standard.

The old copy of Tactical Operations I have specifically state that these are experimental designs due to the general incompatibility of the technologies under "Mixed Technologies".

While not official or canon, I haven't found a mech-building software that doesn't consider such construction Experimental. One MUST pick a technology and stick to it short of Experimental.

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Did some digging (Check out the rules tab here http://www.masterunitlist.info/Home/GettingStarted)

Not including the QSR there are three rules levels Introductory, Standard and Advanced with standard being the default tourney level.
Experimental is an in universe designation on availability that can and often does change by era.
If you're playing a tournament or a pick up game and the mechs listed in the MUL as standard rules you can use it and that includes a good number of cannon mixed tech designs* (MUL is Official and Canon)
If you're at the point where you're worried about advanced rules you're already having discussions with your opponent so yeah if I'm playing in the Iclan era and we've agreed to construct our own mechs, I'm mixing tech.

*Examples
Regent C
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Just because they are stock designs, doesn't necessarily mean your custom designs can be considered Standard/Tournament Legal.

Until they Errata it, custom mixed tech designs are Experimental. I'm all for the change, and people can do what they want locally, but it doesn't change how things are written now.

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Huh ? I never said my custom designs would be standard/tournament legal, where did you read that ?

If I'm playing a game of Btech its one of two overarching situations.

Tournament/low discussion pick up game. No custom mechs at all but canon mixed tech mechs.

Therefore any game where custom mech are being used involve decent prediscussion with the opponent and in that situation if we're using custom mechs in the Iclan era I'm going to use mixed tech
   
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 Charistoph wrote:
Just because they are stock designs, doesn't necessarily mean your custom designs can be considered Standard/Tournament Legal.

Until they Errata it, custom mixed tech designs are Experimental. I'm all for the change, and people can do what they want locally, but it doesn't change how things are written now.



*notes that generally custom designs period aren't allowed in tournies*

that said, a lot of stuff by 3145 that was experimental has been moved into advanced instead. it's lined out in Intersteller ops.

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The really interesting thing is that experimental designs do not get their status updated.

So a mech that would have been mixed and experimental in the 3060s, like the Raptor RTX1-OR, is still classed as Experimental in 3145, while a far more technologically advanced mixed design like the Firestorm is considered Standard rules.

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Jerram wrote:Therefore any game where custom mech are being used involve decent prediscussion with the opponent and in that situation if we're using custom mechs in the Iclan era I'm going to use mixed tech

Not really if you have a group that regularly meets up. For us, Mixed Tech is only available when it's an Anything Goes night. Customs are quite common as well.

BrianDavion wrote:*notes that generally custom designs period aren't allowed in tournies*

Heh, true, however one of the mech-building programs lists it as "tournament-level" for Standard games.

BrianDavion wrote:that said, a lot of stuff by 3145 that was experimental has been moved into advanced instead. it's lined out in Intersteller ops.

That's the tech itself, not necessarily the procedures.

Gitzbitah wrote:The really interesting thing is that experimental designs do not get their status updated.

So a mech that would have been mixed and experimental in the 3060s, like the Raptor RTX1-OR, is still classed as Experimental in 3145, while a far more technologically advanced mixed design like the Firestorm is considered Standard rules.

True. Why a Bulldog Variant is still Experimental, but the Firestorm isn't is not logical.

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 Gitzbitah wrote:
The really interesting thing is that experimental designs do not get their status updated.

So a mech that would have been mixed and experimental in the 3060s, like the Raptor RTX1-OR, is still classed as Experimental in 3145, while a far more technologically advanced mixed design like the Firestorm is considered Standard rules.


Experimental is not, advanced or not advanced it is prototype vs mass produced The RTX1-OR was never mass produced and probably used jury rigged connections instead of the easily manufacturing connections of mech designed to be mass produced.

Charistoph I'm going to try keeping this nice, I would either find someone to play who would be fair or I'd find somewhere else to play.

   
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*sticks with Solaris Skunk Works, where this isn't really a problem*

So much consternation over an app. Now I'm kinda glad it's mobile phone only...

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*sticks with Solaris Skunk Works, where this isn't really a problem*

So much consternation over an app. Now I'm kinda glad it's mobile phone only...



tablet only actually. it won't show up right on a phones small screen

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Just a quick post-did a nova cat VS steiner(tanks) and marik combined force.


Tanks were MVP of the match scoring the only hard kill with a gauss to the face of the ryoken. I do love my challenger Xs

I was running the ontos's as the LB 10 variant of the partisans






2 of the marik mechs were forced to withdraw from battle damage as were 3 of the clan mechs giving the innersphere a strong win.







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Go Inner Sphere!!!!!

I don't see any hexes so are you using the miniature rules and how do you find them as compared to the standard ?
   
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Jerram wrote:
Go Inner Sphere!!!!!

I don't see any hexes so are you using the miniature rules and how do you find them as compared to the standard ?


Yes, 3d terrain rule with simplified firing arcs are much more fluid, we also use some optional rules that speed up game play like forced withdrawal and fire as you bare (no declare fire phase).

Once i went to 3d terrain rules i never wanted to go back to hexes.




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Turkina, Night Gyr, Ryoken, Mad Cat and what appears to be either a Viper or a Dragonfly off to the side and the Clans lost?

Shamfur dispray!

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Your target recognition computer is malfunctioning again, that would be a nova cat sir.




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Jerram wrote:
Charistoph I'm going to try keeping this nice, I would either find someone to play who would be fair or I'd find somewhere else to play.

I'm not arguing. I'm merely pointing out that our group has it set up so we have one person making the guidelines for the week, and we go by that. Our Battlemaster, if you will. This takes a lot of prediscussion out of the picture. And in this case, we operate to 3 standards: Introtech, Standard, and Anything Goes. Standard is any tech in Total Warfare or the Tech Manual. Anything Goes is if you can find the rules, you can include it. Mixed Tech is not in the Tech Manual, as I pointed out earlier, so it gets relegated to Anything Goes.

We do have a smaller group doing a campaign, but we're so far from needing to worry about mixed tech, it isn't funny, as we're in the middle of the Auregan Restoration timeframe. The closest we've gotten to Clantech is finding a Leopard with Minnesota Tribe equipment in it, and all that is still Star League tech.

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Seems like you're leaving a lot of interesting stuff on the table out of nothing but stubbornness.

"CASE II? You can't use CASE II! That's not in the TechManual!" *pops monocle*

This is why I like the BattleMech Manual. The 90% of what 90% of people use approach allows for "Advanced" tech to be used in a reasonable fashion, without diving into the deep end right away.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like you're leaving a lot of interesting stuff on the table out of nothing but stubbornness.

"CASE II? You can't use CASE II! That's not in the TechManual!" *pops monocle*

This is why I like the BattleMech Manual. The 90% of what 90% of people use approach allows for "Advanced" tech to be used in a reasonable fashion, without diving into the deep end right away.




That is why the optional rule book is so great. all of them are legal to use, you just need to take the good and the bad together. the guy i was playing with (the marik player) was going on about the bonus's LBXs get against aircraft last week...without pointing out that it required you specifically load FLAK ammo. So, i was going WTF? it doesn't do that.... until the actual rule was clarified.

We are fine if you want to use FLAK, AP or any other type of ammo from the tac ops book, you just have to actually have to load it and take all the penalties along with the benefits.



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