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 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Nice. Geonosians. That's what I like to see. Well, not them specifically, but non-droid, non-clone Clone Wars forces. Wese be havin' our time in the sun, boyos!

Cool to get Inquisitors, but I'm not sure I like the AMGification of Seventh Sister's lightsaber. It's still restrained, I suppose, but I'd prefer if we didn't get special effects like that.

I like Seventh Sister far more than this Fifth Trooper mini. The one for Shatterpoint makes this one look absolutely terrible.

100% agree on that; feels like the Legion and Shatterpoint Fifth Brothers were supposed to have the same pose but it just didn't work for the Legion one somehow. Least it'll be HIPs so should be easy enough to change some posing around. I will say that the model photographed was probably a resin prototype piece so the final version might be slightly better.

We're never getting Clone Commandos are we.

 Arbitrator wrote:
We're never getting Clone Commandos are we.

There are some excellent 3d models out there for purchase that I suspect most players will be fine with using as bad batch. I'm really a big fan of the original clone commandos (the pre-xbox game ones) in pure white from the comics.

I'm glad to see that Legion is still getting some love but the hardening cynic grognard in me wonders if this is just stuff that was in the pipeline already. Regardless, lots of cool models!

I don't know. Seems like this isn't the worst time for Clone Commandos. Republic is or isn't represented in the preview depending on what's going to happen with the Bad Batch. I'm assuming they'll be dual Republic and Rebels, the former with a limit on Omega maybe?

If they're just Rebels, that leaves the Republic without a release here. I could see Clone Commandos as a good fit because they're still in use by the Empire after the clones have effectively been decommissioned. Even if the Bad Batch is dual use, could be interesting to get the same treatment for Clone Commandos.

Bad Batch are Republic and Rebels.

 Arbitrator wrote:
We're never getting Clone Commandos are we.

That is my gut feeling as well. Giving us Arc Troopers as a squad (instead of, say, a two model box of customisable Arc Trooper operatives) always felt like a super weird move that kind of occupied the design space that Clone Commandos should have filled. I always hoped we would some day get a 4 model box of Clone Commandos plus an optional male and female padawan (either / or) as a nod to Etain. Now that we have Bad Batch which is.. so similar, it feels like the door is closed on Clone Commandos unless AMG want to give players a way of fielding a non-unique version of more or less the same squad.

 Siygess wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We're never getting Clone Commandos are we.

That is my gut feeling as well. Giving us Arc Troopers as a squad (instead of, say, a two model box of customisable Arc Trooper operatives) always felt like a super weird move that kind of occupied the design space that Clone Commandos should have filled. I always hoped we would some day get a 4 model box of Clone Commandos plus an optional male and female padawan (either / or) as a nod to Etain. Now that we have Bad Batch which is.. so similar, it feels like the door is closed on Clone Commandos unless AMG want to give players a way of fielding a non-unique version of more or less the same squad.

While they are made from the same boxes, Empire and Rebels have generic versions of bother Inferno Squad and Clan Wren, so it is at least possible that AMG will have zero issues selling you a box of generic Clone Commandos.

I could imagine Clone Commandos being a 3 mini (plus heavy option)/4 mini with no heavy option, 2 wounds per mini unit with a weapon config. Would make them distinct enough in design space from ARCs, and I think even Bad Batch, who will likely have a slew of keywords like Inferno Squad, that it could justify adding them if a player wanted a cheaper option.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 Siygess wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We're never getting Clone Commandos are we.

That is my gut feeling as well. Giving us Arc Troopers as a squad (instead of, say, a two model box of customisable Arc Trooper operatives) always felt like a super weird move that kind of occupied the design space that Clone Commandos should have filled. I always hoped we would some day get a 4 model box of Clone Commandos plus an optional male and female padawan (either / or) as a nod to Etain. Now that we have Bad Batch which is.. so similar, it feels like the door is closed on Clone Commandos unless AMG want to give players a way of fielding a non-unique version of more or less the same squad.

While they are made from the same boxes, Empire and Rebels have generic versions of bother Inferno Squad and Clan Wren, so it is at least possible that AMG will have zero issues selling you a box of generic Clone Commandos.

I could imagine Clone Commandos being a 3 mini (plus heavy option)/4 mini with no heavy option, 2 wounds per mini unit with a weapon config. Would make them distinct enough in design space from ARCs, and I think even Bad Batch, who will likely have a slew of keywords like Inferno Squad, that it could justify adding them if a player wanted a cheaper option.

Bad Batch might end up being in the Operatives slot (or even take up multiple slots). Bound to be a keyword soup which is pretty impactful in Legion so I can see AMG thinking outside the box a little (as they're doing with the Inquisitors) in terms of how they'll fit into the army building structure.

Commandos should have enough to distinguish them from ARCs so I think there's a strong case for them coming; they'll know how often they're requested as an option and GAR needs that roster padding out quite a bit. Less mobile than ARCs but maybe with natural surges, an option for Blast weapons and a bit beefier in melee with vibro-knives or something.

Bad Batch might end up being in the Operatives slot (or even take up multiple slots). Bound to be a keyword soup which is pretty impactful in Legion so I can see AMG thinking outside the box a little (as they're doing with the Inquisitors) in terms of how they'll fit into the army building structure.

I think that the Bad Batch could all be Operatives and Counterparts. So you could pick up to three main Operative figures, then attach Counterparts to each to make the whole lot fit into normal army list building. Possible?

 Jazzbeaux wrote:

Bad Batch might end up being in the Operatives slot (or even take up multiple slots). Bound to be a keyword soup which is pretty impactful in Legion so I can see AMG thinking outside the box a little (as they're doing with the Inquisitors) in terms of how they'll fit into the army building structure.

I think that the Bad Batch could all be Operatives and Counterparts. So you could pick up to three main Operative figures, then attach Counterparts to each to make the whole lot fit into normal army list building. Possible?

It's how I've always supposed they'd work to be honest. Maybe even just Hunter as the only default model in the unit and everyone else is an upgrade. Or they take 2 Operative slots but you can split them into 2 squads when deploying. Or some combination of those/similar things. Can't see them just being a normal special forces slot unit; you're going to want Command Cards for those characters.

Part of me wouldn't mind them sneaking in an Imperial Crosshair upgrade card.

Whichever squad Wrecker is in takes Suppression if it's on top of terrain more than height 1?

So, apparently this is happening:



Redone AT-ST with commander options:

The intimidating Imperial AT-ST returns to Star Wars: Legion! Featuring new engineering that allows for a better assembly experience, the AT-ST in this pack adds firepower to any army. Additionally, the miniature in this pack now features new customization options, allowing players to assemble it with General Weiss or Chewbacca in the top hatch. Finally, this pack includes both the Imperial unit card and the Chewbacca unit card found in SWL110 - Logray & Wicket, inviting players to explore all the possibilities this unit has to offer right away.

The old one was done in plastic that did not take plastic cement very well. Just casting it in their current plastic is an improvement. But a presumably unassembled body with commander options for the top hatch is also very welcome.

Also, high quality pictures of target practice:

Now all they need to do for a set themed on that Ewoks movie is a Gorax

Just what I wanted for my forest themed board.

Anyone have a pre-order date?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just what I wanted for my forest themed board.

Anyone have a pre-order date?

No idea about independents, but Asmodee's store has the AT-ST, Ewoks and Ewok characters listed for pre-order now, with a release date of July 21. Plus whatever delay is involved in getting stuff to Europe, I guess.

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-at-st-walker-swl138en

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-ewok-warriors-unit-expansion-swl109en

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-logrey-1-wicket-commander-swl110en

 Geifer wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just what I wanted for my forest themed board.

Anyone have a pre-order date?

No idea about independents, but Asmodee's store has the AT-ST, Ewoks and Ewok characters listed for pre-order now, with a release date of July 21. Plus whatever delay is involved in getting stuff to Europe, I guess.

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-at-st-walker-swl138en

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-ewok-warriors-unit-expansion-swl109en

https://shop.asmodee.com/star-wars-5-legion-logrey-1-wicket-commander-swl110en

Thanks.

The old AT-ST was fine, and has been available so long now that everybody who realistically wanted one has one. Bit iffy to redo it with a new hat.

Billicus wrote:
The old AT-ST was fine, and has been available so long now that everybody who realistically wanted one has one. Bit iffy to redo it with a new hat.

What if they called it a Primaris AT-ST? I'm sure we could slap on 30 or so nerfguns to make it look "New" and "Keen" those are what the hip kids say isn't it?

 Theophony wrote:

Billicus wrote:
The old AT-ST was fine, and has been available so long now that everybody who realistically wanted one has one. Bit iffy to redo it with a new hat.

What if they called it a Primaris AT-ST? I'm sure we could slap on 30 or so nerfguns to make it look "New" and "Keen" those are what the hip kids say isn't it?

Isn't the Star Wars equivalent of that an AT-SithT, which is the same as an AT-ST but red*?



* Model comes unpainted. Paint it red yourself, you lazy bum!

While I like Legion I'm far more motivated to play a game the scale of Shatterpoint these days. That said, I have the Rebel heroes and would like a functional army for them and whatever theme force they make for these guys is SUPER tempting.

I just wish they would release the battle force rules for Bright Tree Village and Tempest Force.

Kind of hard to pre-order something when you don't know how many of them you will need.

The points rebalance would be nice as well, just played in a tournament against double darks and Blizz force and fun it was not.

 ingtaer wrote:
The points rebalance would be nice as well, just played in a tournament against double darks and Blizz force and fun it was not.

This as well haha. I know some of my local players feel a little bit burnt out because of Dark Troopers and Blizzard Force.

Points/Balance update should be this month. Dark Troopers and Blizzard hopefully getting an appropriate nerf-bat applied without them going crazy (fully expect DTs to not be allowed to have Guardian on their defence and some points adjustments). Personally I'd remove speeders from Blizzard Force entirely; they're not exactly thematic and skew the balance/playstyle of that Battleforce into something I don't it's supposed to be. Especially when there's an Endor themed Imperial Battleforce on the way which you'd imagine would feature them heavily as well (and far more appropriately).

Bit surprised we haven't had another Ministravaganza to fully show off Ewoks yet but they've probably been busy touring round with Shatterpoint promotion.

The Speeders in Blizzard are so weird. I've always kind of assumed they were a result of trying to repackage the starter into a single faction version but that doesn't quite make sense either.

I do think its funny that both Empire forces are based on iconic E-Web moments without either really featuring the E-Web.

 LunarSol wrote:
The Speeders in Blizzard are so weird. I've always kind of assumed they were a result of trying to repackage the starter into a single faction version but that doesn't quite make sense either.

I do think its funny that both Empire forces are based on iconic E-Web moments without either really featuring the E-Web.

Yeah, I would have rather had Probe Droids over speeders.

 LunarSol wrote:
The Speeders in Blizzard are so weird. I've always kind of assumed they were a result of trying to repackage the starter into a single faction version but that doesn't quite make sense either.

I do think its funny that both Empire forces are based on iconic E-Web moments without either really featuring the E-Web.

I assume it was to lean into the 'Vehicle-Empire Force' theme (given they obviously can't just whack an AT-AT on the table) but it's still a bit of a square peg in a round hole. E-Webs becoming more prominent would be much better for Blizzard (given they need a buff in general- Longshot or just a flat Range increase...).

New points are up - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ce432b1f9d2be000134d8ae/t/647e575526cca663f0b78f7f/1686001496766/2023+Summer+Points+Update..pdf

I have mixed feelings.

 ingtaer wrote:
New points are up - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ce432b1f9d2be000134d8ae/t/647e575526cca663f0b78f7f/1686001496766/2023+Summer+Points+Update..pdf

I have mixed feelings.

I haven't really got any complaints about the points changes in isolation. There's maybe a couple of oddities in there but generally the stuff that's overperforming got hit and the stuff that's barely used got lowered. For me it's more a case that they need to make some more structural changes to certain units (and Battleforces) to really address the issues, not just adjust the points.

Dark Troopers probably need to lose any benefit from other units' Guardian as a minimum. With the Heavy Response uplift, Blizzard Force just needs its options altering (a cap on Speeders?). Both Rebel and Shadow Collective Mandos need a buff somehow. Even cheaper they just don't do enough for their low model count. Another useful keyword like Reliable or something.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
New points are up - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ce432b1f9d2be000134d8ae/t/647e575526cca663f0b78f7f/1686001496766/2023+Summer+Points+Update..pdf

I have mixed feelings.

I haven't really got any complaints about the points changes in isolation. There's maybe a couple of oddities in there but generally the stuff that's overperforming got hit and the stuff that's barely used got lowered. For me it's more a case that they need to make some more structural changes to certain units (and Battleforces) to really address the issues, not just adjust the points.

Dark Troopers probably need to lose any benefit from other units' Guardian as a minimum. With the Heavy Response uplift, Blizzard Force just needs its options altering (a cap on Speeders?). Both Rebel and Shadow Collective Mandos need a buff somehow. Even cheaper they just don't do enough for their low model count. Another useful keyword like Reliable or something.

Yeah, I agree and the largest issue in the game at the moment is Blizzard Force and this change does nothing to impact it what so ever. I think we really needed a CRB change at the same time as the points to reign it in as well as make some fundamental changes to various units. Though I really hate the increased cost of BSE and the mag dets. I also agree that Blizz needs to be capped on bikes (I would go 0-2 like Remnant) and I would like to see something else change with Dark Troopers, maybe Armour 2 or 3 rather full.

From CIS perspective all of the drops in points are nice enough but I very much doubt any of them will make any sort of difference. If we go down the list;
BX full unit and shields drop in points (4 and 8), okay these are both reasonable but Magnaguard are still just plain better at a very similar points cost, in the same role, with better AI, better ranged attack and better heavy.
Grievous goes down 5 and his gun is now free (saving 8 points, 13 total), that is pretty cool but his main issue is that he pretends to be a melee beat stick when he is just not that good at it and as a support commander he is way underperforming as his command cards are not great and the STDs and even T Series perform the role better.
Droideka, down 5 points. And what? They are still woeful, they die to easily and lack decent offense. Maybe if they dropped by 15 they would be viable?
Dooku down 10. This is better but is kind of offset by the fact that Choke goes up 5 so you are really only saving 5. He could really do with either a training slot or charge to be competing at the level of the other force commanders though.
STD generic down 5. Cool. Not sure if it makes it more viable but 5 points off is nice.
For me though the number one thing in CIS that really needed an adjustment though is B2s, I love them dearly but they are just such a liability now armour 1 behind non surging white saves and with AI attack is just bad, especially for the cost. There was a reason that everyone took BSE instead! (Though B2s still rock in skirmish I have found). Not sure how this would be fixed but maybe if they had better armour, surge to block or red saves they could be salvaged.

I like pretty much all of the other changes though, really nice to see CLuke getting a drop as does half the rebel line up by the looks of it! Not sure than Tauntauns needed any adjustment though. My greatest pause with everything else is the massive drops in GAR vehicles, beam saber going down 25 and ISP 15. It would be nothing in most GAR forces but now with Cody out it could prove to be quite a different story.

0-2 would also be a nice thematic cap, since the
AT-ATs could each hold two bikes inside their garages.