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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
A Chaos Knights index? Not that I wouldn't like that but I think if it were the case GW should have already teased it. It's quite a big one. And because of that I don't find it very convincing

Could just be a print of of the PDF they released in June:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ENG_Index_Renegade_Knights.pdf

   
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 Imateria wrote:
 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Do you know what Guardsmen and Cultists have that Kabalites don't? Force multipliers, pretty much the best Kabalites can get is is the standard re-roll 1's to hit, and maybe wound if you're going for a very unusual set up. They do not have psychic powers (anyone that says Doom is an idiot, you are not wasting that on Kabalites), stratagems or orders, the only actual advantage they have is 3+ to hit and a gun that whilst better against T4+ is ridiculously inefficient against T3 hordes.


Kabalites are undercosted for their statline (so are guardsmen and cultists). Also almost the whole dark eldar codex is undercosted (venoms, razorwings, ravagers, grotesques, talos , some weapon options etc)

 
   
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 Redemption wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
A Chaos Knights index? Not that I wouldn't like that but I think if it were the case GW should have already teased it. It's quite a big one. And because of that I don't find it very convincing

Could just be a print of of the PDF they released in June:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ENG_Index_Renegade_Knights.pdf


Think thats very likely and nice to have in print maybe with a few tweeks.

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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Also, we've heard about the greater Daemons, but the rest of the daemons aside slaanesh seem to be in a good spot, no?


The daemons codex is troops and character HQs. That's it. Everything else in unplayble.

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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Here come some leaks:
Knights had 0 points changes. There is no section for them at all.
Chaos knights got point drops They’re cheaper than imperial. Double Gatling Knight is about 100 pts cheaper. Avenger Gatling cannons dropped 20 pts each. There’s a chaos knights index inside CA
all the greater demons dropped by 100 pts or so
Demons in general went down “a ton”


A Chaos Knights index? Not that I wouldn't like that but I think if it were the case GW should have already teased it. It's quite a big one. And because of that I don't find it very convincing.

Also, we've heard about the greater Daemons, but the rest of the daemons aside slaanesh seem to be in a good spot, no?


They already did say theyd be putting the PDF into print.


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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Also, we've heard about the greater Daemons, but the rest of the daemons aside slaanesh seem to be in a good spot, no?


The daemons codex is troops and character HQs. That's it. Everything else in unplayble.


Ehhh there's a few exceptions - I like flamers of tzeench and exalted flamers, and nurgle players obviously like their blight drones but for the most part, yeah, daemon elites are baaaaaaaaad.

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 Trickstick wrote:
Mandragola wrote:
Actually what does that have to do with anything? Primaris are obviously overcosted. Fixing that is the right thing to do, not a shady tactic to get people to buy more of them.


I wasn't implying it was a shady tactic to increase sales. I was wondering if they would see a significant increase in sales by balancing primaris, or if their sales have been high enough already that it doesn't really matter. I'm sure point reductions help sales, but whether or not the increase is significant is interesting.
Fair enough then. I withdraw my complaint
   
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 lonewolf81 wrote:
 Imateria wrote:
 lonewolf81 wrote:
guardsmen and cultists went 5 points (which is good btw) and kabalites stayed 6pts ....pfff

Do you know what Guardsmen and Cultists have that Kabalites don't? Force multipliers, pretty much the best Kabalites can get is is the standard re-roll 1's to hit, and maybe wound if you're going for a very unusual set up. They do not have psychic powers (anyone that says Doom is an idiot, you are not wasting that on Kabalites), stratagems or orders, the only actual advantage they have is 3+ to hit and a gun that whilst better against T4+ is ridiculously inefficient against T3 hordes.


Kabalites are undercosted for their statline (so are guardsmen and cultists). Also almost the whole dark eldar codex is undercosted (venoms, razorwings, ravagers, grotesques, talos , some weapon options etc)


Those are actually a pretty small chunk of the Codex, which is what makes this rumour a bit disappointing. Stuff like Incubi, Beasts, the Court of the Archon and Hellions all get to stay on the shelf.
   
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Points drops are nice for the GKs but unless CA also has a rule change or two, it will change almost nothing on GK viability... ah well, may end up selling my 5k of GKs after al *sigh*

They need a proper psychic phase.
   
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chnmmr wrote:
Points drops are nice for the GKs but unless CA also has a rule change or two, it will change almost nothing on GK viability... ah well, may end up selling my 5k of GKs after al *sigh*

They need a proper psychic phase.


Apparently GK are getting full smite and some other buffs to their powers. That's one of the rumors, anyway. Dunno if GW confirmed it or not.

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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
No update on Necrons because the guy didn't look at them since he doesn't care about them :(

Damn it, lol. Back to sleep I go.

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Well there are some photos on the vigilus book out already. Where dem CA scans at tho

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 Trickstick wrote:
 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Marines are cheaper, Primaris in particular


I wonder how primaris sales have been up to this point? I have seen a lot of people really like the models and pick them up for that reason. Not too many people are enthusiastic about the rules though. A significant point reduction could drastically increase sales. Same with the repulsor.


I have to admit, I started a new Ultramarine force simply because of the Primaris. I made it on the cheap using only heavily discounted starter sets, spare bits, and random kits I had laying around that I otherwise couldn't use (my wife once got me a Storm Talon, and I played Dark Angels, Deathwatch, and pre-codex Space Wolves and Grey Knights).
   
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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Well there are some photos on the vigilus book out already. Where dem CA scans at tho


You got a link to these? I'm curious and there doesn't seem to be a vigilus thread.
   
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2 random vigilus photos:
Spoiler:



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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

You want context? Okay.

3CP and 100 points for five S4 AP-2 D1 shots with a mortal wound on a 6 to wound...
OR
1CP and 60 points for 10-20 S4 AP-2 D2 shots...

How's that context for ya?



This is hogwash.

In the Haarken debate you told people to wait for the details.
Here you're not waiting for the details.

Additionally, if you can't see the difference between a gun that is 36" and can target characters from one that is 24" then I don't know what to tell you.


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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
2 random vigilus photos:
Spoiler:





Stormbolter Bolt Rifles and Flamer ABRs?

Tasty.
   
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I like that there's a stratagem for each version of the intercessors. in scepters are able to be taken as part of the Detachment but they kind of don't have any sort of bonus so that kind of blows. But I'm probably going to be changing a couple of my intercessor squads to have stalker bolt rifles now.

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Leaks here:

(Get ready to get disappointed on some fronts )

https://imgur.com/gallery/PVf1Vsr

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 lonewolf81 wrote:


Also almost the whole dark eldar codex is undercosted (venoms, razorwings, ravagers, grotesques, talos , some weapon options etc)


I think it's kind the opposite. Only a few things are priced appropriately or slightly undercosted while the major part of the codex is overcosted, sometimes even extremely overcosted.

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Can you use the autobolt rifle strat on overwatch?
   
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Wow - Rapid fire is really nice for Intercessors! 40 shots Ap-1. PFF - who needs aggressors now.


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abyrn wrote:
Can you use the autobolt rifle strat on overwatch?

No - it says at the start of your shooting phase.

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Leaks guys! For those who missed it:

https://imgur.com/gallery/PVf1Vsr
   
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Wait, are those Craftworld changes mostly just the FAQ values in printed form?
   
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Wack?! Normal CSM still 13 pts?!
   
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More leaks or links please!!!
   
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BA and DA but no DW gear pages >.<
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:

I have to admit, I started a new Ultramarine force simply because of the Primaris. I made it on the cheap using only heavily discounted starter sets, spare bits, and random kits I had laying around that I otherwise couldn't use (my wife once got me a Storm Talon, and I played Dark Angels, Deathwatch, and pre-codex Space Wolves and Grey Knights).

If the Primaris kits do not sell, the reason is that in their wisdom the writers made the standard weapon options for both Intercessors and the Hellblasters the flat out best choice, so there is little incentive to get the more expensive multipart kits when you can just build your army out of the cheap starter box guys.

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Nizrah wrote:
Wack?! Normal CSM still 13 pts?!


Unfortunate. Hopefully it means love forthcoming at a later date. As a Death Guard player though, Plague Marines down to 16, Entropy Cannon down to 15, Blight-haulers down a bunch, Blightlords down 4 it looks like. I am happy with that.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I like that there's a stratagem for each version of the intercessors. in scepters are able to be taken as part of the Detachment but they kind of don't have any sort of bonus so that kind of blows. But I'm probably going to be changing a couple of my intercessor squads to have stalker bolt rifles now.

Oh for feth's sake, the standard rifle stratagem is easily the best! Now there is even less reason to ever take the auto bolt rifles!


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