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So the earlier Thread inspired me to try my luck at a Ravenwing force.  Pretty inexpensive army to put together (those Ravenwing force boxed sets are a good deal, especially on e-bay) and looks like a lot of fun to play with and against.

So here is my version of an 1850 Ravenwing force:

1850 point Ravenwing:

Sammael in Speeder - 205

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 330
- 2 x Plasma Guns, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist, Apothecary, Standard
1- Attack Bike - 50
-Multi-Melta
1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 265
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist
1 - Attack Bike - 50
- Multi-Melta
1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 265
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 255
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ Pwrweapon

1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

1 - Landspeeder - 65
-Multi-Melta

1- Landspeeder - 65
-Multi-Melta

Total: 1850

4 Multi-Meltas, 6 Meltas, 4 assault cannons, 4 heavy bolters, 2 plasma guns, 3 powerfists, 1 powerweapon

Tactics:
Against most armies will try for 1st turn assault.  Apothecary will keep rapid firing Plasma guns alive to shoot hell out of MEQ's and MC's.  Army should still be fast enough to keep away from Orks and other heavy CC type forces while pounding away.

Any comments or suggestions?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

So I guess my army list must be perfect...

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Posted By Ozymandias on 05/18/2007 12:07 PM
So the earlier Thread inspired me to try my luck at a Ravenwing force.  Pretty inexpensive army to put together (those Ravenwing force boxed sets are a good deal, especially on e-bay) and looks like a lot of fun to play with and against.

So here is my version of an 1850 Ravenwing force:

1850 point Ravenwing:

Sammael in Speeder - 205

Good

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 330
- 2 x Plasma Guns, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist, Apothecary, Standard
1- Attack Bike - 50
-Multi-Melta
1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

Drops the apoth and plasma for 2  melta

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 265
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist
1 - Attack Bike - 50
- Multi-Melta
1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

good

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 265
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ PwrFist

Add landspeeder tornado

6 - Ravenwing Attack Squad - 255
- 2 x Meltas, Vet Sgt w/ Pwrweapon

drop power weapon , add power fist, add land speeder tornado

1 - Landspeeder Tornado - 100
Assault Cannon, Hvy Bolter

Good

1 - Landspeeder - 65
-Multi-Melta

1- Landspeeder - 65
-Multi-Melta

Drop both of these to help fund the tornados  in TROOPS section.

need to play to the strength of the list , which is the ablity to get alot of tornado not attacted to each other. the plasma and apoth are just a risk not worth taking with 45 point models and really a little point heavy,  always take a powerfist where you can so you can kill IC easier and tank hunt if ya need too. The power weapon is nice if you have furious assault, or much higher I but on a sgt take the fist. The assault cannon kills tanks and armor better than the multi meltas, no pint in useing bad land speeders when you can give it an assault cannon for 35 more points and  be able to claim more points spent on troops.

8 melta guns  , 2 multi meltas,  6 assault cannons , 6 heavy bolters,  4 power fists.

Man, Narlix. That was a bunch of crap. tornados at 100 pts are no bargain. They're not even good. Taking more than zero is a mistake.

Ravenwing is horrible. Absolutely a laughingstock. You need to know that even the best list you come up with is going to suck suck suckity suck suck. Your version of it is not really very good even in that context.

That said:

Two counts I agree with Narlix on. No plasmas on expensive bikers and always buy powerfists on your bikers.

Pretty much the only way I see Pure Ravenwing being even a 50/50 army is with masses of el cheapo bike squads (6 man, 2 meltas, powerfist, attack bike) and el cheapo landspeeders to give you some resilient scoring units.

I would actually consider taking zero landspeeders or as few as 3 multimelta speeders. The Ravenwing bikers unlike 100pt tornado speeders are actually adequate.

The multimelta attack bike in a single unit at 50pts is a fantastic buy and should always be taken over the 100pt speeder imho.

On the flipside, 15 Multimelta speeders with Sammael would be a workable choice but only to screw with people who don't have enough multishot mid-strength weapons.

Lots of armies will just freak at the sight of 15 MM speeders (that's only around 1000 pts).

Something like:

Sammael - 205

1 x 6 bikes, powerfist, 2 meltas, attack bike (315)
1 x 3 bikes, 2 meltas
1 x 3 bikes, 2 meltas

3 x 5 speeders, 1 tornado (1080)

You basically need to go all one or the other. 24" guns on Av10 vehicles that cost 100pts are not going to do very well in singleton when you're dependent on their firepower.

The thing people keep forgetting about Ravenwing is that the 300 pts in tornado speeders in the FA slot actually have to do something for you. A normal marine army can afford to drop 240 pts in expendable fast scoring units (as opposed to your 300) because the rest of their army has lots and lots of guns.

Posted By Longshot on 05/22/2007 3:26 PM
Man, Narlix. That was a bunch of crap. tornados at 100 pts are no bargain. They're not even good. Taking more than zero is a mistake.

Ravenwing is horrible. Absolutely a laughingstock. 

work with what your given.
yeah its basicly  not hot, i never said it was. but the strength of the list  the ravenwing squad set up. Really the vaule is the 50 point multi melta attack bike but they die to easy really to be of use for more than a distraction.

your right at 100 pts the tornado  seems over priced in 18 months its going to be the going rate for them across all codex minus the black templars.

Basicly nothing in the dark angles, or the Blood Angles codexs will look or feel right till Marine redux is done and the other four 4th edition codexs get the 4.5 treatment. and really out of those its only the bugs and eldar that really need some tuning.


no offence ment to you ozzy, its not your fault they handed you a weak codex's.  and you did get some thing viable out of it with this list. it would be find for friendly play.

Yeah you're right on there. The codex is goin to be a good balance with the new marine codexes most likely...except for BA and SW I betcha.

However it's still woefully out of balance with current Chaos and Bugs and Eldar. Which is why I don't play my ravenwing anymore. That and because I have 7 extra tornado speeders

But Tornado speeders at 100pts are going to suck regardless, no matter who buys them. 65pt multimeltas with the same optimal range and same defensive capabilities are still a better buy.

50pt attack bikes die just about as easily as a landspeeder - speeder dies a lot more easily to S5-S7 guns, and bike dies a lot easier to lascannons. Being able to screen them a little with other bikes and turboboost them for a 3+ invulnerable makes them superior, though.