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 vaklor4 wrote:
Discodoggy wrote:
I'm gonna play my third game with my Slaanesh/EC army and I will be facing Tyranids for the first time. I'll be using these units:

30 Demonettes (3x10 with 1 herald)
10ish seekers with herald
KoS (my first time!)

DP with wings
noise marines
vindicator

I also have a forge/maulerfiend

My opponent will have:
a tryant
swarmlord
tervigon and gaunts
genestealers
exocrine

Out of all that I'm most worried about the swarmlord. How will the KoS and DP fare against it? I can get rid of the KoS to proxy some oblits or a predator, but I'm trying for this to be my fun/casual army and don't want to over do it with all the best units, yet at the same time don't want to get totally crushed. I would also like to keep the KoS for the Slaanesh flavor.

Ideas on how I should play? We're doing 1500 points.




In my peronsal opinion, chop those seekers down to 5 and add in either Marines, or Cultists. You will find yourself lacking anything to help protect your HQ choices against sudden attacks, which genestealers can easily do. Even so much as 20 cultists or 5 marines and a heavy bolter can go a long way in protecting your back line.


Thank you, I will consider that. I could go with more noise marines and keep the flavor.

 
   
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 vaklor4 wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
JakeSiren wrote:
The biggest problem with Brimstones becoming t2 is that there are no rules to handle multi-toughness units.

I would rather see another points increase rather than a 5/6++ as Tzeentches thing is having 4++.

The funny thing about Brimstones is that even if they were costed at 5ppm, they would still have better utility than Blue Horrors. And still also better utility than 7ppm Pinks.

IMO they need to improve split to make it more attractive. At the moment you are likely to lose half of your models due to moral after splitting. I wouldn't mind if when splitting that it negates the penalty for the lost model. This would make me consider taking Pinks / Blues just for the resilient hoard factor. It may however be too powerful of an ability.


Increasing the price makes split less viable. They've dropped the print of pinks twice now, but also increased the price of Brims. They're useless, arbitrary changes.

You either need moderately price (12 or so) ppm pinks that have free split and bad saves, or very cheap versions of all the models otherwise no one will ever use them.

There is a monetary argument, as well, as each series of splits for 10 Pinks is $100 US for the price. It's an absolute atrocious troops choice because you have no other option, and they've shoehorned it into the ground.


Don't the Tzaangors or whatever they're called have the Daemon keyword? They're Tzeetch Daemons, just from a different side of the Chaos Books


Nope. Because reasons.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.

I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

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 vaklor4 wrote:
Does anyone have experience with the Skull Cannon from Khorne Daemons? I want to know just how playable it is. Not how great or good or even ok it is, I just want to know if there is ANY viable reason to /ever/ take this thing.


Complete trash.

Also there are rules for mixed toughness... kinda. Orks have them. When they take grot support, they just use the ork's toughness instead.

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 Cephalobeard wrote:
JakeSiren wrote:

Don't the Tzaangors or whatever they're called have the Daemon keyword? They're Tzeetch Daemons, just from a different side of the Chaos Books


Nope. Because reasons.


Tzaangor's are beastial mutants, not daemons
   
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 knas wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
JakeSiren wrote:

Don't the Tzaangors or whatever they're called have the Daemon keyword? They're Tzeetch Daemons, just from a different side of the Chaos Books


Nope. Because reasons.


Tzaangor's are beastial mutants, not daemons


Sure. Reasons. If Nurgle get Pestigors in the Codex as rumors have potentially indicated, and they have the Daemon rule and Tzeentch doesn't gain Tzaangors, we can all rage accordingly.

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I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

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Northridge, CA

Did someone say Khorngors? Because I would KILL for some dedicated melee cheap bubble wrap.
   
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 andysonic1 wrote:
Did someone say Khorngors? Because I would KILL for some dedicated melee cheap bubble wrap.


Seconded. I have a box of assembled Beastmen that i have been holding off painting, that were going to turn into daemonettes, but khornegors would be way cooler.
   
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What will be the name of Slaanesh beastmen? Sexygors?

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 Lord_Valorion wrote:
What will be the name of Slaanesh beastmen? Sexygors?


Suxforabux would be my guess.
   
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Nottingham (yay!)

Slaangors, clearly

   
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Assuming beta rules go into affect what is the optimal horror loadout from a competitive standpoint? Still 1 blue 9 brim minimum?
   
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I'm pretty sure you just run 10 brims and don't even bother with their smite.
   
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Is the deny worth anything? They can deny right... have to double check
   
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It's deny on a d6, which will deny basically nothing except a minimum smite. So no, not worth it.
   
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I keep trying to make a list and then hearing a little deamonic voice in the back of my head whispering that Khorne is coming. I'm hoping some of the auras, stratagems, and relics coming in the deamon codex are only god specific so that CSM benefit from a mono-god force. Bonus points if it helps major legions. I pray everyday that KDK returns.

Just a few more weeks now...
   
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 andysonic1 wrote:
I keep trying to make a list and then hearing a little deamonic voice in the back of my head whispering that Khorne is coming. I'm hoping some of the auras, stratagems, and relics coming in the deamon codex are only god specific so that CSM benefit from a mono-god force. Bonus points if it helps major legions. I pray everyday that KDK returns.

Just a few more weeks now...


I knwo the feeling x.x i've been thinking of putting together an elemetnal daemons army with all four gods. Theo nly problem is slannesh sorta sucks when you compare everything with corn. I really wanna do a big summoning angle to the list as well, and lean of pink horror bursting into brim stones and blue horrors.
   
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 andysonic1 wrote:
I keep trying to make a list and then hearing a little deamonic voice in the back of my head whispering that Khorne is coming. I'm hoping some of the auras, stratagems, and relics coming in the deamon codex are only god specific so that CSM benefit from a mono-god force. Bonus points if it helps major legions. I pray everyday that KDK returns.

Just a few more weeks now...

I am itching to put Kairos on the table next to Magnus. I've got a theoretical list already that uses Magnus, Kairos, a Fire Raptor, and a rhino full of Warpflamer Rubrics as four extremely dangerous, highly durable targets. All I need for it to work is for Kairos to be worth his points... a tall order, I know, but I gotta have faith!
   
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Is there a link (other than 1d4chan) for what is competitive for demons these days?

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 buddha wrote:
Is there a link (other than 1d4chan) for what is competitive for demons these days?

Honestly, the codex is due in a few weeks or less, so it will likely change things anyway. Better to just hold fire.
   
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Herald preview is up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/27/the-third-day-of-nurgle-heraldsgw-homepage-post-3/

Spoiler:
It’s the third day of Nurgle – a very special day indeed, given the significance of the number 3 to the God of Plagues! Today, we’re checking out a couple of the new Heralds available to Nurgle armies:

Previously, Nurgle only had one kind of Herald available, known appropriately as a Herald. However, these guys only represented some of the myriad servants available to the God of Plagues, and with the new Codex: Chaos Daemons and Battletome: Maggotkin of Nurgle, Heralds are getting more diverse than ever.

Our favourite has to be the Sloppity Bilepiper, a miniature that sums up the repugnant jollity of Nurgle perfectly. Armed with a set of jolly gutpipes and a marotter (crafted from the remains of the previous Sloppity Bilepiper), these Heralds are the victims and carriers of the Chortling Murrain, a disease that causes its victims to laugh themselves to death. Sloppity Bilepipers cavort and joke with Nurglings, Great Unclean Ones and Beasts of Nurgle (but not Plaguebearers, who lack a sense of humour) and strike horror into the hearts of their mortal foes.



Meanwhile, the Spoilpox Scrivener is a downright dour creature by comparison… It’s the job of the Spoilpox Scriveners to ensure that Plaguebearers meet their tallies, a job they accomplish by relentlessly browbeating and bullying their counterparts with a barrage of insults and commands. On the tabletop, the Spoilpox Scrivener will ensure that your Plaguebearers fight harder, making them a handy strategic lynchpin for the rest of your army.



Make sure to come back tomorrow, when we’ll be taking a look at some of Nurgle’s more mortal (but no less deadly!) servants.


So looks like one of the heralds is mainly for your monstrous guys and the other is for your infantry blobs. That's a pretty big away from the locus of the previous edition. It also brings up the question: is Nurgle going to be better than the other chaos gods because of these unique editions to his army or will everyone else get similar units they will have to kitbash?

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Connecticut

Meh. Zero substance. Here's hoping we get actual codex info soon.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.

I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

 Purifier wrote:
Using your rules isn't being a dick.
 
   
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Northridge, CA

Codex info is most likely all next week, with the pre-order up on the 6th. The FLG guys have stated clearly that the Deamons Codex will be used at the LVO, meaning there is a very high chance it will come out two weeks before the LVO (as that is how long they like things out before allowing them in tournaments). OR, GW could be absolutely insane and allow us to pre-order this coming Saturday. With all the hype they are building I wouldn't be surprised.

All I know is I want some unique Khorne Heralds please. Mayhaps one that increases the movement of your nearby Bloodletter units, or allows them to advance and charge, or reroll charge rolls. Also I want a beastmaster Herald that can whip your Khorne Dogs into a frenzy, maybe holding a ketchup bottle or something.
   
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Connecticut

I either want my screamers to be good again, or I want to run Kairos and multiple LoC. I'll repeat this and hope to the changer if ways for it every day until inception.

Or, y'know, gimme destiny dice. I'll take that.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.

I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

 Purifier wrote:
Using your rules isn't being a dick.
 
   
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i want various list type to be played not just 1 or 2 like now, that's boring.

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HERK wait a minute if they make the auras unit specific that is going to kill CSM + Deamon list interactions. Your Possessed, Warp Talons, Oblits, and Mutis won't gain anything anymore (potentially). Sure your deamons will be buffed but my dreams for a Deamonkin force are being crushed before my eyes!
   
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I'm getting a little bit of an eye roll at this point with how heavily they've been pushing Nurgle. It seems like they just want Khorne to stay in AoS, and Slaanesh to die off.
   
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Connecticut

Considering Tzeentch only got the Lord of Change model, and blues/brimstones during their big event for actual Daemon models, and now Nurgle is swimming in them, I'd tend to agree as well.

Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.

I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

 Purifier wrote:
Using your rules isn't being a dick.
 
   
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 vaklor4 wrote:
I'm getting a little bit of an eye roll at this point with how heavily they've been pushing Nurgle. It seems like they just want Khorne to stay in AoS, and Slaanesh to die off.

Nurgle Daemons have 7 units in the index. Three of those have old non-plastic models. Even compared to Slaanesh they were way behind.
   
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There is no conspiracy around which models come out when. Khorne had new Bloodthirsters and the Deamonkin Codex with Age of Sigmar. Next, Tzeentch saw new Marines and AoS models along with Magnus. Now they're wrapping up Nurgle with a nice gross looking bow along with a AoS rule book + Deamons codex that is sure to have more fluffy rules for the other chaos gods as well. Their next target will be Slaanesh which will no doubt herald the arrival of Fulgrim + new Emp Children and Deamon models. After that the wheel will spin around and we'll get Khorne again. If the past is any indication, we'll see Slaanesh in 2018 and Khorne in 2019, which makes me sad as a World Eater player but thems the brakes. Oh plus we'll see a Thousand Sons codex within the next few months to finish them off, most likely with no new models or anything since they already got theirs.
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/28/faction-focus-chaos-daemons/
   
 
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