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You can't DS the support character for DC

No but you can use FF on Lemartes and then UWOF the DC in the first turn or vice-versa. This pretty much guarantee's a first turn charge for both especially if you use DOA on 1 of them. It's not CP cheap but it's pretty nasty no?

Is Lemartes DC? If so, that's actually not too bad.

However, I still like turn 2 better. That way, you are less likely to hit useless chaff.

Baal Pred is my favourite model in the BA range, I have two of them, and I don’t use them. That’s how trashy they are.

As for UWOF I wasn’t aware that still worked turn one. That said, FF, UWOF and DOA uses half a dozen CP to get 450+ points of DC into the face of chaff. Granted, they’ll eviscerate a ton of chaff but...yikes.

If you want to use "tanks", go with twin AC or twin LC razorbacks. Cheaper, can do pretty much the same, and can also transport 6 models.

Or empty rhinos. Because I'm not paying marine prices for heavy weapons to hit on 4+.

If you want to use "tanks", go with twin AC or twin LC razorbacks.

I don't really. T7 vehicle's with no invulnerable save are pretty much useless in this edition for me. This is my last throw of that particular dice just to see if I can get anything out of them before I move on.

However, I still like turn 2 better. That way, you are less likely to hit useless chaff.

I tried that but kept getting only chaff as we have good player's here who protect well and beyond turn 2.

I'm using this to clear chaff as firepower isn't working for me with my collection. DSing into assault is not actually that usefull when playing good player's and because this guy is good all you get to kill is chaff. This is to try and do as similar as possible without using DS.

Welcome to assault vs good players. It doesn't work without shining spears level of efficiency.

Exactly, and when you’re dumping 200-300 points into DC you’re either spending way too many points or way too many CP (or both) relative to the points value of chaff yore chtting through. It’s a losing battle. Another reason why we could sure use Baal Predators that are worth a damn. Or you can run 3x asscan Razorbacks with DC in them and see how many make it to the front lines.

Morning everyone,
next year (around April I guess, we still have to figure out) I'm going to Nottingham for the second time. During my first visit I bought a fireraptor but I don't know what else I could buy to bolster my army. Any suggestion? According to warhammer community, we'll be the first army to get the cool looking dreadnoughts...

Cheers

Christian

What are you talking about ? Warhammer Community and what dreadnoughts?

I’ll wait until after Chapter Approved to see if I can recommend anything that isn’t garbage.

 p5freak wrote:
What are you talking about ? Warhammer Community and what dreadnoughts?

Some months ago, warhammer community released an article with some pictures regarding a contemptor with blood angels icons as well as the leviathan, along with a company champion (?) for the HH game.

I took 2nd place at PAX Unplugged (26-30 participants) with the following list:

BA Battalion:
Captain Smashypants (thammer, sshield, Angels Wings, Artisan of War)
Libby Dread (meltagun, Wings, Quickening, Smite)

5 Tacs, power fist, combi plasma
5 Tacs, power fist
8 Scouts, power sword

Termie Ancient, lt claw, banner of sac

Razorback, TwAssCan, stbolter
Razorback, TwAssCan, stbolter
Stormraven, 2x Las, 2x Hurricane, 2x Stormstrike, twin heavy bolter

Imperial Knight Lance (House Raven):
Knight Errant, thermal cannon, stubber, ironstorm rocket pod, reaper chainsword, Mark of Omnissiah, Ion Bulwark
Armiger Warglaive, heavy stubber
Armiger Helverin, heavy stubber

-1 CP for 2nd BA relic (Banner of Sac)
-1 CP for IK relic (Mark of Omnissiah)
-1 CP for Exalted Court

Death Visions I only used in 1 game.

Played 3 games:

Game 1: Mixed Ulthew/Alataoic CWE list
Game 2: 2x Knight Paladins, 1x Acheron Knight, 1x Knight Valiant + Small IG patrol
Game 3: 3x Tesseract Vaults, 3x5 Scarabs, 1x Lord, 1x C'tan shard of deceiver

tabled all 3 opponents, but came in 2nd place as one guy had more battle points than me.

Nice! Congratulation for 2nd place.

Is it possible to get more in detail, how your games were running?

CA 2018 leaks are out and about.

-Mephy will be leaving a few lists. He’s still okay, but no longer great. Libby dread may replace him.

-Lemmy now makes a pretty efficient second-captain hammer.

-speaking of, cap hammer got a discount on his shield.

-All your sanguinary guard are now wielding “counts as power fists.” Any other weapon option is worse AND more expensive. Yes this pretty much proves that the rules writers are completely unaware of some of the unique BA stuff like blade encarmines.

-Sanguinor is closer to sanely costed. Still a wee bit high but, as before, if he’s buffing enough units, he can carry his points-weight.

-Dante is now playable. Not great, but playable.

-at this rate, drop pods will finally be reduced enough to see a table in CA 2021.

-from what I could tell in the guard section, infantry squads are not changed, and I see no marine scouts or tacticals either. This means if you were holding off on buying a set of loyal 32, go ahead and pull the trigger on it.

-sang ancient was already awesome at 99 after gear. Now with fist and angelus he can squeak in at 76!!! Sweet.

-Don’t see apothecaries or sang priests anywhere. Looks like it’s still just better to take their points worth in other units instead of gambling on the chance to heal.

Overall some of the changes seem really random and not well thought out. They still seem to be showing a lack of understanding of the game. But whatevs, we’ll just keep taking what they undercosted, ignoring what they overcosted, and have hope for next year.

Cataphractii being 3 points more than other variants is ridiculous. They pay for their 4++ by being slow as molasses.

SG with anything but power fists is just plain stupid. Wish I hadn’t built some with swords but it was a pain getting fists for 6 of them, let alone 10.

Predators are still an incompetent ripoff.

Upon closer inspection of Libby dread: 142 after wargear (assuming storm bolter.)

So cheaper than mephy’s old cost by 3, while mephy got nerfed, while gaining +2 T, +3 W, fixed 3 damage melee at ap4, and one/game smoke launch so that after his first charge, the enemy will have to deal with -1 to hit as they fall back and try shooting him down.

Obviously lost some stuff like 1 attack, 1 denial, and a point of armor save, along with mephy’s stock 5+ fnp, but overall I think it’s a great trade, and I think the Libby-naught will be the new right hand man for captain hammer in most competitive BA detachments.

My list has both.

Cheaper PF SG and SG ancient have me ready to field kore golden boys and basically forget about DC, at least for the time being.

Vets get a nice little reduction. Between their points drop and discount on shields they seem a little more attractive for my casual games. Im thinking 5+ shields and a hammer in two or three larger squads.. Roll em with a libby and discounted sanguinir for maximum attacks.

I have a lot of older blinged out jump pack guys

I like the reduction on vets. I had an idea of running three 2 model units of vets in a razorback with twin AC/LC, each equipped with SS, PG, SB, CS/PA. Three units on company vets means they could throw three krak grenades. A JP captain would follow them. This would be a vanguard detachment, and would greatly reduce your deployment count, its four units which count as one. Maybe add a company ancient with the standard of sacrifice for a 5+ FNP, and the ability to shoot/fight on 4+ after dying. It would be possible to run 4 of these in a 2k game, which isnt limited on the number of detachments.

 p5freak wrote:
I like the reduction on vets. I had an idea of running three 2 model units of vets in a razorback with twin AC/LC, each equipped with SS, PG, SB, CS/PA. Three units on company vets means they could throw three krak grenades. A JP captain would follow them. This would be a vanguard detachment, and would greatly reduce your deployment count, its four units which count as one. Maybe add a company ancient with the standard of sacrifice for a 5+ FNP, and the ability to shoot/fight on 4+ after dying. It would be possible to run 4 of these in a 2k game, which isnt limited on the number of detachments.

How does Rule of Three factor in to that?

Looks like dreadnoughts are back on the menu boys.

I'm gazing as well over my dreadnoughts. I'm having couple games today using the new CA points and mission formats. Especially the new (old) deployment system and scoring on end of every round sounds fresh.

I had already list in mind before the CA dropped, so it's just an alteration of it, although the same list would have costed 1097 points last friday, but now 999p.



Anyways, one thing I'm looking at again that I cerrtainly will test out in near future is those company vets with jump packs. I have always liked the fluffyness of deep striking assault squads with melta/plasma, but they are just too meh and expensive. Now with the company vet point drop, I'ts actually quite cheap to field a let's say 4man company vets with jump packs, 4x plasma and 1-2 storm shields (116p). With the melta and plasma points drops I want to test out if a 4man squad dropping in just before my capt Smash does the UWoF next to them before the charge. 8x overcharged plasma shots to something scary to either help soften the target capt Smash is aiming or putting some hurt on some counter-attack unit.

Those C-vets plasma/melta wise are just way much point efficient compared to drop podding something else even with the price drops on drop pods.

Our c&c dreads still lack the mobility and stormravens price is just too much in smaller than 2k games atleast in multiples..

Does anyone think that heavy flamers, flamestorm cannons are still way too expensive? And why on sword encarmines are still 12p when power fist is 9......

Furioso with frag cannon moves 8+D6 and lays down 2D6 auto hits out to 8". That's not slow.

Plus, it's not always a race. Sometimes the dreads play the role of sheriff instead of racing across the board.

I'm thinking about how to use VV vets in various ways. I like them better than DC right now.

Martel732 wrote:

I'm thinking about how to use VV vets in various ways. I like them better than DC right now.

You get a Vet with JP and SS for 19ppm know. Throw in the cheaper Sang Ancient with the Relic banner and you have a quite durable unit with 3++ / 5 +++.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
I like the reduction on vets. I had an idea of running three 2 model units of vets in a razorback with twin AC/LC, each equipped with SS, PG, SB, CS/PA. Three units on company vets means they could throw three krak grenades. A JP captain would follow them. This would be a vanguard detachment, and would greatly reduce your deployment count, its four units which count as one. Maybe add a company ancient with the standard of sacrifice for a 5+ FNP, and the ability to shoot/fight on 4+ after dying. It would be possible to run 4 of these in a 2k game, which isnt limited on the number of detachments.

How does Rule of Three factor in to that?

The rule of three is only a suggestion for organised play, it is not a matched play rule. My idea obviously wouldnt work at a tournament. It would be for casual play at the FLGS, where we usually dont play with the rule of three.

I agree that company vets with their point reductions for them, and some of their weapons, look better than DC right now.


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Xirax wrote:

Does anyone think that heavy flamers, flamestorm cannons are still way too expensive? And why on sword encarmines are still 12p when power fist is 9......

I think land speeders with twin heavy flamers look viable now. Its 78 points for one. Use a unit of three, and they can move 20".

DC dread with talons might be reasonable now. Smashing into a tank could be interesting.

Astorath, Lemartes, The Sanguinor, and Dante all got cheaper and much more attractive (though I'm still not shoe-horning Dante into my lists)

I like the CA changes because it makes Blood Angels more playable the way I personally prefer to play them: Cool, powerful melee characters and fast, elite hammer units being supported by...whatever.

Dante is pretty dope with big ticket units like stormravens and land raiders.