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2019/07/11 06:57:18
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I really like the comparison shot of contrast and his own home made version.
His recipe: equal amounts of ink and matte medium, a bit of flow aid.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2019/07/11 07:14:49
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Goobertown is a great little channel, really positive and chilled out and he does some great experimentation. He is also a chemist so sometimes he goes into detail about how paints and glues work.
Seems like Contrast is mostly a heavy wash, which is fine, a useful product. Probs not worth the money though.
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
This guy's method is great if you already have the materials, or were already planning to buy the materials, or if you genuinely enjoy experimenting and messing about with paints.
If your objective is to paint some models, I'd say ~4 quid a pot from a discounter is, if not a fair price, then at least a tolerable one given what you're getting.
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2019/07/11 13:58:36
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
2019/07/11 14:14:16
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
A selection of inks, matte medium and flow aid opens up a ton of techniques. Glazes, contrast type mixes, washes and more.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2019/07/11 15:34:26
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I do appreciate people doing this kind of experimentation. However, if I'm buying contract paint because I want something that looks almost as good as base/highlight/wash but with 1/3 the paints and a fraction of the time, I'm not going to be that interested in something that looks almost as good as one coat of contrast but with five times the ingredients and extra work coming up with the right recipe.
2019/07/11 15:49:54
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
It'd be a trivial matter to buy all of a range of ink like Daler Rowney@ £5 a bottle and a large bottle of matte medium for £100. Then when you start adding bottles from other manufacturers to plug gaps in the range you've bought and it'd rack up surprisingly quickly. £200? Maybe not, but three figures without blinking.
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A number of the colors in the contrast range are a suspension of more than one color - perhaps the binder has one color and then the pigment is another color. You can see it clearly in the yellows in particular. I don't see how you could hope to replicate the results produced by Nazdreg and Iyanden Yellow with a homemade brew.
2019/07/11 16:28:50
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
It'd be a trivial matter to buy all of a range of ink like Daler Rowney@ £5 a bottle and a large bottle of matte medium for £100. Then when you start adding bottles from other manufacturers to plug gaps in the range you've bought and it'd rack up surprisingly quickly. £200? Maybe not, but three figures without blinking.
You can buy high quality Daler-Rowney ink for 4 GBP which are 30ml and Liquitex matte medium 1l for around 25 GBP, 240ml matte medium will be enough for a life time and goes for around 10 GBP .
Contrast paints are stinking expansive, like they are made of gold....
2019/07/11 16:34:16
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
It'd be a trivial matter to buy all of a range of ink like Daler Rowney@ £5 a bottle and a large bottle of matte medium for £100. Then when you start adding bottles from other manufacturers to plug gaps in the range you've bought and it'd rack up surprisingly quickly. £200? Maybe not, but three figures without blinking.
Sure, if you go the whole range of inks.
Exactly how much is the whole range of Contrast paints, again? If you're going to make that argument, make sure you're comparing apples to apples.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "OMG don't buy Contrast!" There's totally valid reasons to do so. But there's also totally valid reasons to make your own semi-equivalents from other stuff. (You could make the argument that if you have all the various bits, you can make more options with inks and mediums than you would have if you "just" used Contrast and its thinner medium.)
I don't get the vitriol either way. I've tried a couple contrast paints. They're ok, they remind me a lot of 20 years ago when adding Future Floor Finish to washes was the "new big thing in miniature painting." Sure, they have their uses, and sure, the convenience of a consistent mix may be worth the price to some. Do I see myself using them? Maybe sometimes, for some quick effects. Do I see me using them exclusively? No, not by a long shot. Do I still make my own various washes/glazes/whatever? You bet.
2019/07/11 16:50:41
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
It'd be a trivial matter to buy all of a range of ink like Daler Rowney@ £5 a bottle and a large bottle of matte medium for £100. Then when you start adding bottles from other manufacturers to plug gaps in the range you've bought and it'd rack up surprisingly quickly. £200? Maybe not, but three figures without blinking.
You can buy high quality Daler-Rowney ink for 4 GBP which are 30ml and Liquitex matte medium 1l for around 25 GBP, 240ml matte medium will be enough for a life time and goes for around 10 GBP .
Contrast paints are stinking expansive, like they are made of gold....
Okay. So let's say I buy 8 bottles of ink for 32 GBP, and mix all that up with the 240 ml of matte medium for 10 GBP. So after I mix all that up, I've got 8 different colors of some stuff which hopefully works the way I want, for 42 GBP.
Contrast paints go for 4 GBP on Wayland games. So for the same price and literally no work, I could have had 10 different contrast paints. Sure you have less of each color, but that only matters for ones you'll use a lot of.
2019/07/11 18:37:31
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
That made me laugh too Especially considering the full contrast line with sprays and medium is over 300 dollars.
Using the 1:1 recipe he shared in the video would yield a price of $2.68 per Oz. or $0.09 per ml using the links I shared. Not adding in flowaid since it's comically cheap, just burrow a drop of soap from the kitchen.
Thats $1.61 for 18ml compared to contrast paint at $7.80 for 18ml.
$1.61 or $7.80
Now, will it take experimenting to exactly match contrast colors? Sure, but my question is why bother? It's a new line with no real direct relationship to the older lines colors so color matching GW exactly is pointless. just mach your own prior mixes by writing down the recipe or you can just mix inks until you get the shade your after and make it by the pint if you never want to mix a specific color again lol.
"Here, I have made my own version, it's functionally similar, and all you need to do is drop a couple of hundred quid in one go on various acrylic inks and additives and then spend hours experimenting and colour mixing."
if you are putting down "a couple of hundred quid" on a few inks, a bottle of matte medium and a bottle of flow aid, you are getting ripped of
It'd be a trivial matter to buy all of a range of ink like Daler Rowney@ £5 a bottle and a large bottle of matte medium for £100. Then when you start adding bottles from other manufacturers to plug gaps in the range you've bought and it'd rack up surprisingly quickly. £200? Maybe not, but three figures without blinking.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw I am not knocking folks who buy contrast.
Convenience definitely has a value.
But folks like Yodhrin making it sound like Everest levels of effort, the same guy that thinks an airbrush compressor will wake the neighborhood makes me chuckle.
For some folks, learning how a thing works or making it your own IS part of the hobby. A lot of dedicated painters also already have those inks and mediums, which is more who the video is after anyway.
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Well I can report that I am finally getting those bloody paints, after 3 weeks of waiting. Apparently paints I ordered where exactly those that were most ordered.
Well expect for bloody Apothecary White that is out everywhere.
2019/07/11 19:39:15
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I've been paint for nearly 30 years, so I have literally thousands of dollars in paints, consumables, and equipment.
I use the inks he shows, and have, for quite some time. I just never thought about what he suggested.
So for me, it's weird to justify a $6-$8 per pot cost if I already have similar stuff on the bench. I actually don't buy many GW paints because of the $ per mL compared to others is just ridiculous.
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2019/07/12 08:52:15
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
From the goober video. I think this is right before he shows which ones are his own DIY mix and which are GW contrast (the picture contains both)
It's also funny that one is made from michael's brand craftsmart craft paint instead of ink. So he was getting contrast like performance out of matte medium, flow aid and cheap discount brand craft paint. Actually, I think it might actually look better than the contrast paint, lol.
I bought a pot of blood angel red to try it out (and I have some mechanicus robes to paint, so why not?) and after seeing them in person, I'm thinking contrast are okay, but not worth the $10 a bottle they are here in Canada. For the same $10 i can get 250ml of matte medium (I'm actually almost out after making washes years ago when Les first did his recipes) and I already have a ton of paints and inks to mix in if I ever want to do a translucent coat over a light primer.
I think contrast paints are great if they get people who otherwise would not paint getting their armies done. I've already helped someone figure out contrast paint and then doing a 50-50 nuln oil/contrast medium recess shade. They've made more progress since contrast paints came out than the year before.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2019/07/12 12:34:19
Subject: Re:'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
For me contrast has been a massive boost to my painting, I can only do about 20 minutes at a time so usually only get a couple of models base coated or a single layer painted in 1 session but with contrast I can paint 5-10 models to tabletop standard in 20 minutes. yeah they are not going to win any prizes and they need work to finish them off but I have painted more models to a tabletop standard in the last two weeks (30 Gretchen, 15 clan rats and a few other minis that I used for practice to see how contrast worked) than I have in the last two years.
As for making your own contrast that argument is like saying "I don't buy a Big Mac because I can get all the ingredients cheaper somewhere else and go home and make a load of burgers myself" but while you are mixing ingredients I've finished my burger and got on with my day
2019/07/12 14:28:33
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I like home made terrain. No one will ever convince me that a ruin that I can make (to my admittedly low standards) for under $5 all-in is not a better deal than GW ready-to go terrain. I enjoy building the terrain, and taking the time to build from scratch is something I enjoy.
But paint? I don't enjoy painting, and having to futz about trying to make paint work on the cheap, rather than buying a more expensive ready-made product would NEVER be worth it to me. I'm looking forward to trying out Contrast paints on my next project.
Paint crafters are weird. But home-made terrain, all day, every day is awesome.
(Just joking folks. You like what you like and that's ok!)
2019/07/12 14:40:25
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Mixing your own makes sense if you're a commission painter and really need litres of the stuff.
When you need 1 bottle that costs 6 euro from GW to paint one whole army, it makes zero sense to spend 6 euro on a bottle of ink and 10+ euro on acrylic medium just to stick it to the man.
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2019/07/15 14:01:49
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
oni wrote: Are there any Contrast videos of a Cadian guardsman? I've been looking, but cannot find one in the traditional Cadian color scheme.
I have an AM army all still in boxes and I'm thinking that I could crank them out quickly as they would be quick and easy with Contrast paint.
I don't think there's a video, but the way to go(from my experience playing around with the paints) would be:
-Wraithbone basecoat
-Militarum Green armor
-Aggaros Dune for the fatigues
2019/07/15 14:05:59
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
oni wrote: Are there any Contrast videos of a Cadian guardsman? I've been looking, but cannot find one in the traditional Cadian color scheme.
I have an AM army all still in boxes and I'm thinking that I could crank them out quickly as they would be quick and easy with Contrast paint.
I don't think there's a video, but the way to go(from my experience playing around with the paints) would be:
-Wraithbone basecoat
-Militarum Green armor
-Aggaros Dune for the fatigues
The traditional Cadian Guardsman can be found in the Citadel Colour app.
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2019/07/15 14:26:22
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
oni wrote: Are there any Contrast videos of a Cadian guardsman? I've been looking, but cannot find one in the traditional Cadian color scheme.
I have an AM army all still in boxes and I'm thinking that I could crank them out quickly as they would be quick and easy with Contrast paint.
I don't think there's a video, but the way to go(from my experience playing around with the paints) would be:
-Wraithbone basecoat
-Militarum Green armor
-Aggaros Dune for the fatigues
That looks like this:
(except for not being a traitor and all )
2019/07/15 14:41:16
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I finally picked some up and I am happy with what they can do - Guilliman flesh is particularly fantastic. I bought them from my local GW and the staffer told me it was their best June sales ever as the new paint range had outsold the 8th edition launch in 2017.
2019/07/16 16:58:11
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
OPULENCE wrote: I finally picked some up and I am happy with what they can do - Guilliman flesh is particularly fantastic. I bought them from my local GW and the staffer told me it was their best June sales ever as the new paint range had outsold the 8th edition launch in 2017.
I can well believe it. Element Games has just emailed me to inform me the outstanding part of my order (I ordered the Contrast paints bundle) is delayed again. This includes the white, black and a couple of blues. It seems they are fabulously popular right now.
edit: Should be clear, I am in no way having a go at Element Games - they are consistently superb whenever I use them but it just goes to show, if they are having trouble stocking the most popular colours, it gives you some indication of demand right now - unless GW are deliberately restricting supply to inflate demand a la Nintendo but that seems a wee bit tinfoil hat to be true.
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Wow, I did not expect my offhand comment to spark such discussion about price and making it yourself.
To be clear, I probably would not make them myself either but was saying that the cost of the basic contrast paints was a bit high. I did not think that was controversial!
Since then I have been thinking about it and might actually try some out on my Lizardmen. Not sure though, might stick to the old fashioned way.
Especially considering the full contrast line with sprays and medium is over 300 dollars. 
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