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Thankfully it wasn't hard to get a copy at my FLGS, so I picked mine today! Must finish what's on my paint station before jumping into it, but the models look super crisp on the sprues! I have a few friend interested to try the game out (a first) so that's extra motivation to work on it!

Billicus wrote:
Because other people are drawing conclusions from "blackstone was a range item with expansions so cursed city will definitely be"?

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The rulebooks also confirm that there will be expansions in 2 places.

tneva82 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Because other people are drawing conclusions from "blackstone was a range item with expansions so cursed city will definitely be"?

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Woooo! Cheers for that

Yeah, and like I said already, it's weird how the handful of times they've said it will be available are gospel, but the many times, *more recently*, that they've said they can't confirm that are "just the community team not knowing anything". Like, they're the arbiters of fate when it suits you but otherwise they're clueless PR interns. And like more recent info doesn't trump older info in any rational mind.

But going by the rulebook mentioning it seems a safe bet.
Ignoring the Facebook arguments for both sides of the discussion.

Warhammer Tottenham Court Road has 22 copies, going off a photo on their Facebook feed.

Anyone who ordered off Wayland, can you see the status of your order hen you click on the reference number in your order history.

Usually it shows the items status and order details but I get nothing from my Cursed City order. Might just be because they've taken it off the site though.

Danny76 wrote:
But going by the rulebook mentioning it seems a safe bet.
Ignoring the Facebook arguments for both sides of the discussion.

Yes - the rulebook states Cursed City is "the first quest" suggesting there's more content related to Ulfenkarn to come. What form that will take is anyone's guess, might be a whole nother boxed game.

Billicus wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But going by the rulebook mentioning it seems a safe bet.
Ignoring the Facebook arguments for both sides of the discussion.

Yes - the rulebook states Cursed City is "the first quest" suggesting there's more content related to Ulfenkarn to come. What form that will take is anyone's guess, might be a whole nother boxed game.

There is a better indication further on.

Page 34 says - "Some expansions that follow will allow the heroes to keep the experience and levels they have gained"

Billicus wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But going by the rulebook mentioning it seems a safe bet.
Ignoring the Facebook arguments for both sides of the discussion.

Yes - the rulebook states Cursed City is "the first quest" suggesting there's more content related to Ulfenkarn to come. What form that will take is anyone's guess, might be a whole nother boxed game.

Possible. But a slew of Blackstone Fortress-style expansions seems almost a given.

Can anyone confirm if the skeleton sprues in the box are duplicates? The preview makes it look like there are 10 different variants included.

 BertBert wrote:
Can anyone confirm if the skeleton sprues in the box are duplicates? The preview makes it look like there are 10 different variants included.

It’s one sprue doubled, yeah. There’s parts to make them look different.

Same with the Zombies. You’ve got five different designs.

Three sets of legs and three torsos which are interchangeable, then another two sets of legs and two torsos which are interchangeable.

Much appreciated!

Aeneades wrote:

Billicus wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But going by the rulebook mentioning it seems a safe bet.
Ignoring the Facebook arguments for both sides of the discussion.

Yes - the rulebook states Cursed City is "the first quest" suggesting there's more content related to Ulfenkarn to come. What form that will take is anyone's guess, might be a whole nother boxed game.

There is a better indication further on.

Page 34 says - "Some expansions that follow will allow the heroes to keep the experience and levels they have gained"

Nice. Although given the sticker price for Cursed City the expansions are almost certainly going to be a pass for me. And it's still no guarantee of a reprint

 Domican wrote:
Anyone who ordered off Wayland, can you see the status of your order hen you click on the reference number in your order history.

Usually it shows the items status and order details but I get nothing from my Cursed City order. Might just be because they've taken it off the site though.

I can't, but this is a regular problem I have with their site.
Going through my order history I can't bring up the details on about 2/3's of them.

I received my copy from them on Saturday, so I'd get in touch if yours hasn't been sent out yet.

Thoughts on the game so far from folks who have copies? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth trying to grab a copy in the restock.

 aku-chan wrote:

 Domican wrote:
Anyone who ordered off Wayland, can you see the status of your order hen you click on the reference number in your order history.

Usually it shows the items status and order details but I get nothing from my Cursed City order. Might just be because they've taken it off the site though.

I can't, but this is a regular problem I have with their site.
Going through my order history I can't bring up the details on about 2/3's of them.

I received my copy from them on Saturday, so I'd get in touch if yours hasn't been sent out yet.

Ah Im fairly sure its sent, Im sure there was a shipped email, i'll check it again later. just a bit on edge after the problem with Total Cards, but Ive used Wayland plenty down the years without issue.

Well, until GW officially announces on the website - WHC or the store - I'll definitely be holding off on purchase now. To much drama and to few actual comments from GW about this.

If they turned around tomorrow and apologised for not being clear about continued availability and even stated it will be a fully supported product, like BSF, I'll still wait until the first expansion is released and see if I can get a copy of that . That, I'll expect that to be a limited product going by the BSF expansion schedule with no reprints & that's fine

If I can't buy both together, then I'll not be chasing around like a loon trying to give my money to someone for a product!

There are alot of things that GW produces which makes me smile and gets me hooked with anticipation, but it's always such a shame when silly things like this happen. I just got hold of all the shiny new Adeptus Titanicus stuff and about to put an order for more weapon sprues and terminals for full options, so I'll not missing Cursed City yet

Thinking about it, I'd rather be supporting a fully established product with a good future, than gamble on new items that 'feature' limited print runs which could halt your collection & gaming progress without any notice

I dont really understand this idea that its not a full product if you dont have the optional expansions.
I only went for the original box for BSF and feel its as complete a game as any other I own.

I do however understand some people are completionists and I've had to fight that side of things myself from time to time.

SquealMcSqueal wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall reprints of any of the BSF expansions ever - just 'Last chance to Buy' messages on the GW website, as the game was a standard 'Boxed Games' slow burner (So completely my fault that I didn't pick up the 'No Respite' expansion, as I thought, along with everyone else that it was a pure cash grab with the Death Guard mini's... but look at it now with it's £150+ price tag on eBay!)

No BSF reprints but equally no BSF release ever sold out in 12 hours. Or even 12 weeks. I certainly wasn't keeping up with everything but still managed to get copies of everything by having a quick search once it vanished from the GW store. I paid slightly over the odds for No Respite as had to import from Canada but the stuff was available for a good while. And that's the thing, I think if any of the expansions had sold out at pre-order, they would have printed more. There's no reason not to. But when a product eventually sells out after a few months... that doesn't suggest there's massive demand pent up that makes another printing worthwhile.
Honestly, it won't make me very popular on here for saying this, but I think GW actually got their print numbers on the BSF expansions close to spot on. Of course that means some people will have missed out though. But that they all stuck around for a good few months suggests they had gauged demand fairly well. They didn't sell out in a week, nor were they stuck with copies years on.

Billicus wrote:Gloomhaven is also (clearly) much better at appealing to board game fans that do things like rate games on boardgamegeek... I expect a large proportion of the Cursed City market have never even heard of it. All the BGG rankings mean is that that game is popular with BGG visitors.

I loved Gloomhaven. Played it most Tuesday nights for over a year, finished the campaign, had a brilliant time. But that was a campaign of around 60-70 sessions with seasons gamers. And Gloomhaven was hard. Most Tuesday nights we'd be exhausted after a mission (except for those occassions we had a broken character/build in our party).

The nu-Quest games are very different. Silver Tower or BSF I can pretty much introduce to people with very little gaming experience. "You roll your dice and you spend them on these things". I can handle the enemy phase and the between-game stuff myself in a more directed fashion. We get to throw dice, blow things up, have a few drinks, have a laugh.

I loved Gloomhaven, but Gloomhaven was never "a laugh" (well, except maybe some city events) - it was a wonderfully complex series of interacting puzzles. In Gloomhaven if you don't correctly understand what your allies are going to do you can play the wrong cards and literally end up doing nothing but moving 2 spaces on your turn, while your mates do all the fun stuff. Or if you don't properly understand how the monsters move, you can accidentally get too near and lose half your health. If you don't manage your cards right, your character can conk out in the middle of the mission leaving your friends to play without you for another hour. It's, so, so good. But to compare it WQ is missing the point entirely. They're completely different experiences.

Interestingly the only time we've really whiffed out on a game like this is Shadows of Brimstone. That just had too many random elements coupled with far too much book-keeping for a game that involved so much dice-rolling. You were keeping track of so many different things but it never really seemed to make much difference as you were just at the fate of the random dice. Plus the whole thing was so open-ended with no real campaign so no driving idea of why you were doing anything anyway. Shame, as I really did like the settings.

Also the point about the cost of printing cardboard material earlier was well made. I think people misunderstood. It's not that it justifies the total cost as regular board games are sold at around 5-10x their production costs, and GW are probably at the high end of that. But card compared to plastic is much more expensive that you'd think - despite minis usually adding more (perceived) value to the purchaser. In the case of Cursed City, with the amount GW will be making, and how streamlined their mini-production already is, the materials cost of the card in the box is likely around the same as the materials cost of the plastic. Whereas I think some people look at Cursed City and assume that the production costs are 80% the minis and 20% the cardboard. Just because that's how they sell on Ebay.

Wayland are reporting that the new Underworlds and Titanicus stock are going to be limited too, with a resupply later to meet all orders.

Sounds like GW are just having a hard time keeping up with demand, thats all.

Which no one has disputed.

What we clamouring for is some notification (not via some rando on Facebook) that Cursed City is coming back.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Thoughts on the game so far from folks who have copies? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth trying to grab a copy in the restock.

I got my copy, but haven't played yet. Drive Thru Games review suggests some problems with it being too easy and lack of ranged enemies, as well as being a grind, but Guerrilla Miniature Games has several play videos and seems to enjoy it.

My impressions watching and reading over the rules are that Bloodborne board game is a better designed game of this type, but the models for cursed city are nice so I don't regret buying it.

Has it been discussed yet, the material that the heros are made out of? I dont know if I missed its announcement or something, but I really like it.

... Plastic?

The heros feel a whole lot different.

Also just pulled out my hammerhal tiles and Cursed Cities tile squares are larger so still usable but not 100% the same scale. imo I like the larger tiles.

deano2099 wrote:
...when a product eventually sells out after a few months... that doesn't suggest there's massive demand pent up that makes another printing worthwhile.
Honestly, it won't make me very popular on here for saying this, but I think GW actually got their print numbers on the BSF expansions close to spot on. Of course that means some people will have missed out though. But that they all stuck around for a good few months suggests they had gauged demand fairly well. They didn't sell out in a week, nor were they stuck with copies years on.

Not at all... somethings they do rather well. I also think the amount of time everything was in stock for was almost spot on. I only missed out on one expansion due to being incompetent in ignoring the last chance to buy warnings.

The flipside being... not being given any info on the continuation of a new product and allowing everyone to come up with theories about it. I mean, surely it can't be worth pouring so much time and effort into a one off, when they could have spent the same amount of time, effort and expenditure in progressing a flagship range that would be repeatedly sold out and restocked with no associated drama and have a massive longevity.

Billicus wrote:
... Plastic?

I had heard this also..