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Now, I warned you that I might be being stupid, and I confess I am exceptionally tired right now:

When units come on from Reserves, do they count as having moved (if NOT DS-ing)?

I can't see where this is written (looking at "Mission Special Rules" - it makes sense that they DO, but where is it ruled?


Again, I apologise if this is a REALLY stupid question, it's something that's bugging me...

From the aforementioned Mission Special Rules:


A unit arriving from reserve does not start on the edge of the board, but from just off the edge of the board. Basically the unit uses it's movement for that turn to move onto the board. So they do and indeed must move in order to come onto the table.

hmmm, that doesnt actually say they count as moving. by RAW, that means nothing... you are infereing that they count as moving...

Posted By 01777 on 06/24/2007 2:06 PM
hmmm, that doesnt actually say they count as moving. by RAW, that means nothing... you are infereing that they count as moving...

How do you figure?  The rules clearly state (as Ghaz posted) that the unit "moves on" the table.

How, pray tell, do you come to the conclusion that the rules don't support the fact that the unit is moving onto the table?

Ok.. define Moves On...Where in the rules does it say that 'moving on' means it counts as moving? It could just as easily say placed on, its merely there to give a bit of atmosphere to the idea that as a battle they are arriving from elsewhere on the line, not your carry case/tea table.

Don't get me wrong, i play as if they had deepstruck, but there is nowhere i can see in the rules to verify that method.

Do you want GW to pack a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary with the rulebook? Don't be dense. There is no need to tell you in the rulebook that if you're moving on to the board that you're moving. They've already told you that you're moving by using the word 'move'.

I hope your computer crashes.

My comp crashing, y? also, i am not expecting the whole dictionary, but it doesnt say 'Count as moving' which it DOES for the deepstrike, you are playing that they count as moving, as it says in the deepstrike, but DS is a sub-section of the resurves, and it has to mention it specifically, which is a stronger arguement for it NOT being the case, as surely if it were, it would say so in the Reserves section, and DS would say they count as if they have moved on per the reserves rules.

Saying 'Moved on' DOESN'T mean that they count as moving, it means they have been moved onto the board, you are reading into the text, not the rules or examples. It may just be an error that the rules don't say 'Units entering from reserves count as moving, may shoot as normal, but may not assault', but if you want to play by RAW, it doesn't say.

As i already said, i play as per the DS rules, but i clear it with my opponant first, because it isn't there in black and white.

Uh, hello? Yes it DOES mean that they moved. That's what the word 'move' means. Stop being so dense. If you moved, then you count as moving because you ARE moving. It is that simple.

No, it means i had moved, not that i currantly am, or that i count, better put, how far do they count as having moved??? it doesn't strictly sat that they count as moving...

Look, basically, its one of those points you should clear with your oopponant at the beginning, as it is perfectly reasonable for them to say they can move when they arrive.

No, it means i had moved, not that i currantly am, or that i count, better put, how far do they count as having moved??? it doesn't strictly sat that they count as moving...

Look, basically, its one of those points you should clear with your opponant at the beginning, as it is perfectly reasonable for them to say they can move when they arrive.

How about you give some rules to back up your ludicrous idea that MOVEMENT IS NOT MOVEMENT. They moved on to the board, hence they moved. Period. Once again, they start just off the edge of the board and must move on to the board. They can move anywhere from the minimum distance to get themselves onto the board upto their full movement. It doesn't have to say that they counted as moving no more than it has to say that a model that moved in the Movement phase counts as moving because they clearly use the word 'move'. Once again MOVEMENT IS MOVEMENT.

Usually I think Ghaz is a bit harsh about stuff like this, but in this case, he's right on target.

Don't be an idiot.

Moving on is moving on. Measure from the edge of the table as if it were the front of your model/its base. "moves on".

Thread locked. Any more discussion could only be trolling.