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The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer

 General Annoyance wrote:
Except it isn't. Balancing a hero based on what a pro player says is not the way to properly balance a game


Why not? It's what For Honor does. The devs outright do not look at winrates beyond the top MMR. It may not be as satisfying to hear, and the game is not perfect, but it's certainly more balanced than Overwatch.

You balance around the top players because the top players actually understand the depths of both their hero and the game. In QM that is far from guaranteed. Frankly you should balance around each hero being played to their reasonable maximum, especially if you are looking at making your game a big esport like blizzard is.

Or you could just move closer so the projectile has less distance to travel...


Bad idea. Orisa is extremely weak up close. It increases her damage, but it increases the damage of everyone else too, and she is already very fragile.

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I imagine the main reason for honour is balanced because people haven't fully worked out how to break it yet.

As for top players and game balance, well. I don't believe blizzard are stupid, they'll have done all sorts of Martha to work out where the biggest spenders are, the biggest whales, whether the project ed income is increasing and so on.

Ma new no mistake that's the demographic they're balancing for. The group that long term gives blizzard more cash.

Make no mistake, I'm giving blizzard a compliment here. I don't think there's meant companies, relatively speaking that look past the next quarterly report, nevermind thinking long term.

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 Compel wrote:
they'll have done all sorts of Martha


Someone's phone autocorrect is on rampage.

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I just thought they were Scottish.

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Yeah, stupid autocorrect. That should be "maths."
   
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Gathering the Informations.

So, what's this new event got for goodies do we know yet?
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
 gnome_idea_what wrote:
There aren't bad characters


some heroes need you to up your game because of imbalances (Reaper, Orisa).


Haha what.

Sorry, should have rephrased. There aren't characters that are cripplingly bad, but rather ones that aren't quite up to the standards of others. You can still play them but will often get somewhat better mileage with another hero, but that doesn't mean that they aren't playable.

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Dose skins.

Power Ranger Genji

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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.

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Symmetra looks gorgeous. Not really feeling others.
   
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Outer Space, Apparently

D.Va's Cruiser skin...


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Gathering the Informations.

I like Cyborg Soldier and Hanzo.

So far I've gotten Beekeeper Mei.

Regrettably my playtime is limited these next few days...
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
I like Cyborg Soldier and Hanzo.

So far I've gotten Beekeeper Mei.

Regrettably my playtime is limited these next few days...


OH its up?

man iv been away for a while now lol.

not really into the skins that much. will have to see. so far liking the genji one and bastion but thats about it.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Might have to sit this one out, finals are coming up. None of the skins stick out immediately as a must-have, but I kinda want something to remember the event anyway.

Edit: the Sombra dance emote is nice, and better than the dances of my mains, so I might get that. Lucio dance emote is nice too.

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I like the Bastion stuff and Rheinhardt's "BEER!" cry.

The not Optimus Prime Zaria skin is also nice (Siberian, cyberian, cybertronian with the red white and blue scheme).

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Gathering the Informations.

I really want Cyberninja for Hanzo and Cyborg Soldier...

But all it's given me so far is Mei's Beekeeper skin, D.Va's skin, Bastion and Zarya's dances, and Winston's safari skin...
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
I really want Cyberninja for Hanzo and Cyborg Soldier...

But all it's given me so far is Mei's Beekeeper skin, D.Va's skin, Bastion and Zarya's dances, and Winston's safari skin...


More than i got

honestly not into any of the skin outside of hoodie tracer and maybe the hanzo one because i dont have a hanzo legendary.

this event for me is all about the dances

i need to grind hard :/

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Desubot wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I really want Cyberninja for Hanzo and Cyborg Soldier...

But all it's given me so far is Mei's Beekeeper skin, D.Va's skin, Bastion and Zarya's dances, and Winston's safari skin...


More than i got

honestly not into any of the skin outside of hoodie tracer and maybe the hanzo one because i dont have a hanzo legendary.

this event for me is all about the dances

i need to grind hard :/

Arcade. All I gotta say.

Shame this event didn't get a PvE mode though.
   
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Outer Space, Apparently

Day three, still no event skin

Must say though, Elimination and 1v1 are so much more appealing with the new ruleset and maps now. I think I might even play it regularly...

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 General Annoyance wrote:
Day three, still no event skin

Must say though, Elimination and 1v1 are so much more appealing with the new ruleset and maps now. I think I might even play it regularly...


3v3 has been a ton of fun too.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor






Gathering the Informations.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Day three, still no event skin

Must say though, Elimination and 1v1 are so much more appealing with the new ruleset and maps now. I think I might even play it regularly...

1v1 was absolute trash I felt.

The weird lockout elimination was fun though.
   
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Outer Space, Apparently

I had quite a lot of fun with 1v1, mainly because my gripe with it before is that 1v1's with the same character usually just involved the winner being whoever shot first/kept shooting.

I have only played one game of it, and the guy was nice enough that I let him have the box at the end of it. 3v3 is definitely the better mode - the fact that heroes that I reckon are often a little sketchy in terms of overpowered in 3v3 (Zenyatta, Pharah/Mercy, Roadhog) get locked off after a win makes it so much better. A thumbs up for Blizzard on that one


Also the drop rate for Legendaries in this event is so much better than Uprising; while I haven't got any event skins, I have got 3 Legendary skins already.

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Gathering the Informations.

Well I got Cyberninja at least. Wooooo...
   
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What's left of Cadia

I got 3 duplicates and a spray.

Woo....

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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
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 General Annoyance wrote:
Day three, still no event skin

Must say though, Elimination and 1v1 are so much more appealing with the new ruleset and maps now. I think I might even play it regularly...


I like the idea of mystery heroes, but they really, really need to keep ult counter between changes, or have it not build at all. As it is, whichever team gets their mains first can survive long enough to ult-storm and win.

"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich." 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Elemental wrote:
 General Annoyance wrote:
Day three, still no event skin

Must say though, Elimination and 1v1 are so much more appealing with the new ruleset and maps now. I think I might even play it regularly...


I like the idea of mystery heroes, but they really, really need to keep ult counter between changes, or have it not build at all. As it is, whichever team gets their mains first can survive long enough to ult-storm and win.

At the very least, if they don't get swapped when dying it shouldn't reset the ultimate counter.
   
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So, Horizon is here. The moon map. Reaper is getting a ridiculous buff, Roadhog is yet again getting nerfed into the ground. On top of that Police D.VA and Oni Genji are in lootboxes now... What did I play HOTS for...


 Kanluwen wrote:

At the very least, if they don't get swapped when dying it shouldn't reset the ultimate counter.

It should. As that would be unfair. You don't keep your ult charge while swapping sides on other game modes either.

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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.

1K Vostroyan Firstborn
2K Flylords
600 Pts Orks
3K Ad-Mech 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

At the very least, if they don't get swapped when dying it shouldn't reset the ultimate counter.

It should. As that would be unfair. You don't keep your ult charge while swapping sides on other game modes either.

Reread what you're replying to.

You can be given the same character back to back. If you are given the same character back to back, it resets your Ultimate counter.

Which is not the way other game modes work.
   
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Outer Space, Apparently

I think Mystery Heroes needs an algorithm, so that you can at least maintain either a balanced comp in each team or do it so that the other team cannot get a better comp than your team randomly. Ult storms are a pain, but losing simply because you have zero healers or tanks is much worse, while the other team has a nice 2-2-2 comp that you could take into Competitive.

Ult charge would be tricky to implement since each hero charges their Ultimate at different rates, but I do think that you should at least get proportional progress on your Ult with another hero if you die (e.g. you die as Roadhog with 50% charge, you spawn with Sombra and more charge than 50% since she charges faster than Roadhog)

It may not be the same in QP, but Mystery Heroes isn't QP.

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 General Annoyance wrote:
I think Mystery Heroes needs an algorithm, so that you can at least maintain either a balanced comp in each team or do it so that the other team cannot get a better comp than your team randomly. Ult storms are a pain, but losing simply because you have zero healers or tanks is much worse, while the other team has a nice 2-2-2 comp that you could take into Competitive.

Ult charge would be tricky to implement since each hero charges their Ultimate at different rates, but I do think that you should at least get proportional progress on your Ult with another hero if you die (e.g. you die as Roadhog with 50% charge, you spawn with Sombra and more charge than 50% since she charges faster than Roadhog)

It may not be the same in QP, but Mystery Heroes isn't QP.


Either that or just take ults out of that mode entirely (exception for Dva's mech). I would actually like to try Overwatch without them, since even the competitive play I've seen tends to boil down to "hang around, wait for ults, make progress, resume waiting".

"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich." 
   
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New Zealand

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Reaper is getting a ridiculous buff, Roadhog is yet again getting nerfed into the ground. On top of that Police D.VA and Oni Genji are in lootboxes now... What did I play HOTS for...


Reapers buff isn't ridiculous and Roadhog is still strong just not solo-carry roflhook anymore.

Making the skins available is music to my MOBA hating ears.

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