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I can't help but feel that most people who voted for French Napolean Infantry aren't gonna buy them from Atlantic.

Well I only just got to going through them all today.
Aside from the as mentioned many repeats, there’s some cool stuff here.

I guess as mentioned everyone should be voting on all versions of stuff, and this is sort of anti-voting, by being a multi option vote.
Everything should be getting lots of votes and then you don’t need to worry whether it’s a duplicate or not.
It does say at the top to select as many as you like etc.

We shall see how the final 60 shakes out I guess.


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Oh the other question was, how does this entering your email address competition thing work. What’s that for, a free sprue or some such?
Is it one winner total, or one per vote etc?
What do we know?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I can't help but feel that most people who voted for French Napolean Infantry aren't gonna buy them from Atlantic.

Thats kind of my point. Its not really my problem as a consumer, but it does affect me, as it means that WGA invested their time and resources into developing something that I had no interest in purchasing and which is unlikely to generate a sufficient return which would enable development of a follow-on product that I might want or expand their range of options and offerings which would otherwise generally be to my benefit.

Hopefully, they don't take these results too seriously. Listening to what gamers/modelers say they 'want' is usually a sure way to lose a good chunk of money for a company. It is inevitable people will slobber all over something in polls like this, then never buy when it does become a reality,

In this round I voted for nearly all fantasy and sci-fi (with the exception of cyberpunk stuff feth that)


But I'll admit I'm voting for all spanish related miniatures. And mesoamerican and amerindian (Incas in this case). And Cataphracts and heavy ancient cavalry. We need more of those.

We have to assume WGA is well aware of all the pitfalls outlined above and is going to curate the lists accordingly. It has to be assumed these things are non-binding as a matter of course at least since the Mountain Dew debacle.

chaos0xomega wrote:
That being said, in Round 1 I voted for "Hadesian Hussars" thinking that had something to do with Polish Winged Hussars (I figured worst came to worst it was at least going to be an interesting form of 16th-19th century cavalry) - I have since come to learn that it was an AT-43 reference, and does not seem to involve horses/cavalry-related stuff at all.

Ah. I was wondering what the hell this was - Hessian cavalry? Some sort of undead ancient Greek one? Honor Harrington space marines? They really should have let people give 1-3 concept sentences instead of incredibly vague names (the Frogmen are a good example of this too)...

I guess there's no accounting for human stupidity but in theory anyone wanting Hussars should have voted for all Hussar entries and you can just take the one with the highest vote.

Which has the problem in the fact Polish (winged) Hussars, Hungarian (original) Hussars, and Polish (ww2) Hussars are three drastically different animals, and these are just 3 first examples I can think of. As I said, way too ambiguous.

It's a poorly designed poll because "what if so many people vote for something even though they have no clue what it means that it somehow gets more votes than any other thing and wins the contest?"

Yes. See above. Say, what the hell are catfolk? Feral barbarian peoples? Medieval infantry? Sci fi 40K felinids? WW2 era cat germans? Artel sci fi soldiers? Albedo near future space opera? Anime modern day catgirls? Do tell me how I am supposed to tell to vote for it (I did because I really want non-human units but it might end up being something completely useless for me)...

Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years since Wargames Factory had something similar on their site.

Spent too many hours there arguing ideas and looking at proposed sprues.

Some good things came out of it, like armed civilians/survivors, and the greatcoat guard, but I think they also got some dogs like War of Spanish Succession which a small vocal group wanted but just weren't viable sales wise.

And of course then the whole company went down so there's that...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years since Wargames Factory had something similar on their site.

Spent too many hours there arguing ideas and looking at proposed sprues.

Some good things came out of it, like armed civilians/survivors, and the greatcoat guard, but I think they also got some dogs like War of Spanish Succession which a small vocal group wanted but just weren't viable sales wise.

And of course then the whole company went down so there's that...

So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years since Wargames Factory had something similar on their site.

Spent too many hours there arguing ideas and looking at proposed sprues.

Some good things came out of it, like armed civilians/survivors, and the greatcoat guard, but I think they also got some dogs like War of Spanish Succession which a small vocal group wanted but just weren't viable sales wise.

And of course then the whole company went down so there's that...

So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

Only if they act stupid and produce kits that will never sell more than their worth.

for me the vote was easy

Seven Years War Infantry

by that time all were similar enough that 1 box will make you all nations

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

So for those who missed the sad saga of Wargames Factory...

The founders were kicked out after selling equity in the company to their Chinese partner and not paying their bills. The Chinese partner continued as a realer for a while but then sold off their kits and decided to just produce for other companies.

Kits were sold to Dreamforge and Warlord (IIRC) but I think all are OOP now.

Wargames Atlantic looks a lot like them, producing an eclectic range of plastic kits, based in part on customer input, but with no actual games for them.

I've actually not gotten a WGA kit yet but I certainly wish them long life and health.

I think the quality of the WGA plastics versus Wargames Factory are quite significant, having spent time recently building old Gaul and Saxon kits.

For one, none of the WGA models suffer from Lego hands. I liked how WGF had the weapons separate so I could stick them with other models, but the hands just look awful.

That said I continue to vote for anything in the Americas pre contact with Europe and all the funky kits that sound like they can actually see some gameplay.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years since Wargames Factory had something similar on their site.

Spent too many hours there arguing ideas and looking at proposed sprues.

Some good things came out of it, like armed civilians/survivors, and the greatcoat guard, but I think they also got some dogs like War of Spanish Succession which a small vocal group wanted but just weren't viable sales wise.

And of course then the whole company went down so there's that...

So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

What makes you say that?

I'm not the most prolific buyer of kits and so far WGA they've had me drop the money for four boxes of Grognard Infantry, three boxes of Grognards Heavy/ Command, one box of Rifles, two of Lizardmen, two WWI German, two of Spiders, one of Einherjar and I'm on tenterhooks to advance order many, many Space Brits, three of Cannon Fodder, Ghurkas and much more.

Yeah, all my friends that have started Warhammer after introducing them in the first lockdown trought TTS, and wanted to play Imperial Guard, I recommended WGA kits to them, and they bought a good bunch of boxes.

I don't know how many boxes of spiders they sold but they are , right now, the best offer for plastic imperial guard alternatives.

alphaecho wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years since Wargames Factory had something similar on their site.

Spent too many hours there arguing ideas and looking at proposed sprues.

Some good things came out of it, like armed civilians/survivors, and the greatcoat guard, but I think they also got some dogs like War of Spanish Succession which a small vocal group wanted but just weren't viable sales wise.

And of course then the whole company went down so there's that...

So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

What makes you say that?

I'm not the most prolific buyer of kits and so far WGA they've had me drop the money for four boxes of Grognard Infantry, three boxes of Grognards Heavy/ Command, one box of Rifles, two of Lizardmen, two WWI German, two of Spiders, one of Einherjar and I'm on tenterhooks to advance order many, many Space Brits, three of Cannon Fodder, Ghurkas and much more.

It's a joke about how Wargames Factory fall on their face and died after doing a poll, and Wargames Atlantic is now doing a poll.

And i mean i got one box of Grognard Infantry and one Heavy/Command, which is why i voted on Grognard Cav in the poll... at least i think i did, there was something Grognard related, wasn't there? I lost track.

I think Grognard cav was today, yes.

gakky Wargames Factory skeletons are still sold by Warlord Games but they axed the excellent Zombies, Female Zombies, Modern Survivors and Female Modern Survivors after the half-baked semi collectible game they made for them that directly competed with Mantic's Walking Dead fell flat. Go figure.

Lot of female options on today’s list.

What do you think “female hussar” represents? Is it french Napoleonic? Or Polish winged? Or something else? I voted for it either way.

Right now my 2 biggest wants are ogre landsknecht or dumas musketeers. Though female dumas musketeers would be good too.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think Grognard cav was today, yes.

gakky Wargames Factory skeletons are still sold by Warlord Games but they axed the excellent Zombies, Female Zombies, Modern Survivors and Female Modern Survivors after the half-baked semi collectible game they made for them that directly competed with Mantic's Walking Dead fell flat. Go figure.

The Amazons from wargames factory were pretty bad. I got a 6 box deal thing... and still have most some where. The new RGD games Amazons are being designed by the same guy, Tim Barry, but the wip of them looks worlds better.

I got a bunch of the wss guys too, I think 6 boxes also.., because they errr like $13 a box at the time...

 kodos wrote:
for me the vote was easy

Seven Years War Infantry

by that time all were similar enough that 1 box will make you all nations

So YOU’RE mister “SYW Generic Infantry”!

The other historical gamers want to have a word with you.

Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


So Wargames Atlantic is on their way to the grave? Sad.

So for those who missed the sad saga of Wargames Factory...

The founders were kicked out after selling equity in the company to their Chinese partner and not paying their bills. The Chinese partner continued as a realer for a while but then sold off their kits and decided to just produce for other companies.

Kits were sold to Dreamforge and Warlord (IIRC) but I think all are OOP now.

Wargames Atlantic looks a lot like them, producing an eclectic range of plastic kits, based in part on customer input, but with no actual games for them.

I've actually not gotten a WGA kit yet but I certainly wish them long life and health.

Warlord Games still sell several of the ex-Wargames Factory sets. Skeletons, Orcs, SaxonFyrd and 4 different boxes of Samurai/Ashigaru. None of them are great.

Wargames Atlantic stuff is much better in my opinion.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 kodos wrote:
for me the vote was easy

Seven Years War Infantry

by that time all were similar enough that 1 box will make you all nations

So YOU’RE mister “SYW Generic Infantry”!

The other historical gamers want to have a word with you.

Not gonna lie, I did not realize that was what that abbreviation was and kind of just stared at the option for awhile wondering what it meant. Much like how I thought Hadesian Hussars or whatever it was was someone misspelling Haitian.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.

*Weeps in Rough Riders*

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 kodos wrote:
for me the vote was easy

Seven Years War Infantry

by that time all were similar enough that 1 box will make you all nations

So YOU’RE mister “SYW Generic Infantry”!

The other historical gamers want to have a word with you.

of course and if they are not painting on a high level the different details for line infantry do not matter because you won't see them anyway (no matter if they are on the model or not)
(I know only 1 guy for whom it would make a difference as he is painting on another level)
and the last time I got into arguments was about "realistic" basing and why it it does not matter to have different numbers of models in units depending on the real historical size of the bataillone/brigade

of course 15mm would be much better for SYW but I take 28mm plastic as well

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.

Don't the 'Legends' rules still exist so units can be included even though they are no longer in the main Codex?

I'd potentially be interested in science fiction Lancer/ Curaissier types.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
And i mean i got one box of Grognard Infantry and one Heavy/Command, which is why i voted on Grognard Cav in the poll... at least i think i did, there was something Grognard related, wasn't there? I lost track.

It was there, although I thought it was on Day 3's poll, not Day 5. Whatever. I voted for it too.
Here's the historical precedent from the French Imperial Guard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenadiers_%C3%A0_Cheval_de_la_Garde_Imp%C3%A9riale#/media/File:Guard_Grenadier_at_Eylau.jpg

Although I'd like it if they included the helmets from the line Carabiniers à Cheval.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabiniers-%C3%A0-Cheval#/media/File:Carabiniers_%C3%A0_cheval.jpg
Similarly, line dragoon helmets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon#/media/File:Battle_of_Jena.jpg

The pseudo-Classical helmets on their cavalry may have been an influence in my selecting French as my army back in my Napoleonic days.

Certainly I hope this isn't WGA's death knell. I like their kits, although so far I've only bought 1 box each of the Grognards (base + Heavy Weapons). Will probably buy the Cannon Fodder. Maybe the Persians, although with my regular KoW backlog, I doubt my KoW Historical Macedonian army will be assembled, never mind painting. {KoW Historical lets the Macedonian army take two Persian units as part of the main army and so get the benefits thereof, unlike allies.}

re: 40k Imperial Guard cavalry. 9th ed. got rid of Rough Riders? [Not keeping up with 40k, only playing (pre-Covid) Kill Team, and bought Warcry just before lockdown started last March.]

What? No one asked for Boaty McBoatface the miniature line?

Internet disappoints me again.

 Galas wrote:
In this round I voted for nearly all fantasy and sci-fi (with the exception of cyberpunk stuff feth that)


But I'll admit I'm voting for all spanish related miniatures. And mesoamerican and amerindian (Incas in this case). And Cataphracts and heavy ancient cavalry. We need more of those.

Likewise, I vote for everything related to Greece (so, all Byzantine kits, Greek War of Independence and Cretan Resistance) altough I rather doubt anything will come of it.

Warlord Games still sell several of the ex-Wargames Factory sets. Skeletons, Orcs, SaxonFyrd and 4 different boxes of Samurai/Ashigaru. None of them are great.

Wargames Atlantic stuff is much better in my opinion.

If I am not mistaken, there is some sort of eerie connection between Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic, right? Too many of the latter's kits look like revamped versions of the former's for it to be a coincidence.

No they really don't. The only connection is the Eisenkern which is a third party IP cast by both companies.

Im having a hard time telling if people actually think that WGA is in its death throes or whatever because its running a poll for what its next kit should be.

Yes, WGF ran polls for its kits, but the polls weren't the reason they went under - their minis were gak and the company was mismanaged. WGA, at least, has decent minis and it at least doesn't seem the company is mismanaged. Sure there is risk involved with producing kits from a poll if the kit(s) produced as a result don't sell, but I don't think one bad kit will break WGA.

 Easy E wrote:
What? No one asked for Boaty McBoatface the miniature line?

Internet disappoints me again.

No one has asked for Boaty McBoatface... yet.