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 privateer4hire wrote:

 Ohman wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Chalnath up for pre-order next week

We don't have a price for Chalnath yet, do we? Would be nice if it was under £100.

Does it contain a core rulebook, does anyone know?

It doesn't seem to. There's just the Chalnath book.

Octarius likely included the Core book since it was a bundle for the game's new edition.

Octarius was a launch box, this is an expansion.

I'd wager this will cost around 80€ - 100€

£105 for Chalnath apparently. Ouch. It's not so much the individual box price as the idea of picking up all 4 annual boxes to get a nice self-contained game is now a much bigger ask.

deano2099 wrote:
£105 for Chalnath apparently. Ouch. It's not so much the individual box price as the idea of picking up all 4 annual boxes to get a nice self-contained game is now a much bigger ask.

I'd feel a bit better about it if there seemed to be any plan for how I could buy the Chalnath book separately to at least know the rules of the faction I'm playing against without a stack of stuff I don't need. It remains to be seen if it will be easy to eBay.

 tauist wrote:
Octarius was a launch box, this is an expansion.

I'd wager this will cost around 80€ - 100€

Hahaha. It's 140€ whilst having around 80€ less content (individual costs of all the rules/play aides in Chardon)

Huh. Whelp.

Seems to be close to full retail for a Kill Zone and two squad boxes.

105GBP is the 165USD price point. Oh happy day!

The terrain in Octarius makes it seem like a bargain in comparison to this box... The terrain is so basic (even if it has a fairly high RRP).

Poor box, and one that either won't sell well, or will only sell well for people wanting the sisters. Tau are a poor choice to include IMO.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The terrain in Octarius makes it seem like a bargain in comparison to this box... The terrain is so basic (even if it has a fairly high RRP).

Poor box, and one that either won't sell well, or will only sell well for people wanting the sisters. Tau are a poor choice to include IMO.

Don't forget the T'au are just an existing kit with an upgrade sprue.

I mean, its at least $100 in minis, looks like another $80-100 in terrain, a $25 board, and a $40 rulebook. Theres plenty of value in the box, though it suffers from diminishing returns as you only really want 1 copy of the book and if you're like me you don't care much about the board, so you're really only in it for the plastic.Spending $165 to get $180-200 in plastic is still a discount.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The terrain in Octarius makes it seem like a bargain in comparison to this box... The terrain is so basic (even if it has a fairly high RRP).

Poor box, and one that either won't sell well, or will only sell well for people wanting the sisters. Tau are a poor choice to include IMO.

The Tau are what makes this box a definite no from me. They were in another of the Killteam starters too, I managed to sell a couple of the squads I had and this newer one might also shift a bit quicker due to the upgrade sprue but really I can't be bothered to do it again.

I was interested in the box but at that price I'm not sure. It isn't even the price itself, but without a core rulebook and maybe those dumb measuring tools don't know if the bundle has enough to get me to pull the trigger.

I certainly want the Sisters and I wouldn't mind having another squad of Pathfinders. I also prefer the Imperial ruins over the Ork ones from Octarius (I appreciate GW making Xenos terrain, but it's simply less useful to me). But once you add the price of the separate rulebook I'd need to get into the game that's a whole lot of money for not a whole lot of stuff. Especially since I'm wary of GW rules these days and haven't had the opportunity to test or see the game first hand.

And for the price of the box, I'll be able to buy three squads of Sisters in February or whenever they get their individual release.

Tough one.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its at least $100 in minis, looks like another $80-100 in terrain, a $25 board, and a $40 rulebook. Theres plenty of value in the box, though it suffers from diminishing returns as you only really want 1 copy of the book and if you're like me you don't care much about the board, so you're really only in it for the plastic.Spending $165 to get $180-200 in plastic is still a discount.

At least $100 in minis?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Pathfinder-Team-2017

So we're positing the sisters at at least $62 or a significant jump in the price of the pathfinders, right?

 Albertorius wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its at least $100 in minis, looks like another $80-100 in terrain, a $25 board, and a $40 rulebook. Theres plenty of value in the box, though it suffers from diminishing returns as you only really want 1 copy of the book and if you're like me you don't care much about the board, so you're really only in it for the plastic.Spending $165 to get $180-200 in plastic is still a discount.

At least $100 in minis?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Pathfinder-Team-2017

So we're positing the sisters at at least $62 or a significant jump in the price of the pathfinders, right?

Knowing GW the Pathfinders are gonna be 45$ and the Sisters 60$. Aka the prices of """new""" Cadians (they have a hat!), and the regular SoB squad.

JWBS wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The terrain in Octarius makes it seem like a bargain in comparison to this box... The terrain is so basic (even if it has a fairly high RRP).

Poor box, and one that either won't sell well, or will only sell well for people wanting the sisters. Tau are a poor choice to include IMO.

The Tau are what makes this box a definite no from me. They were in another of the Killteam starters too, I managed to sell a couple of the squads I had and this newer one might also shift a bit quicker due to the upgrade sprue but really I can't be bothered to do it again.

The Tau from the starter were Fire Warriors not Pathfinders.

Just a minor note.

There's been no word on the Octarius Ork terrain coming out on its own yet, has there?

 Dysartes wrote:
There's been no word on the Octarius Ork terrain coming out on its own yet, has there?

Not yet, but that isn't a surprise.

Unboxing article.

Some highlights?
Sisters Novitiates have an "additional sprue" from the outset.
Main sprues
The "upgrade sprue, which houses enough parts to make 10 distinct kinds of operative, ranging from the relic-bearing Novitiate Pronatus to the Novitiate Exactor with her twin neural whips."


Tau upgrade sprue:


Note that the upgrade sprue has an additional set of legs as well.

 Albertorius wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its at least $100 in minis, looks like another $80-100 in terrain, a $25 board, and a $40 rulebook. Theres plenty of value in the box, though it suffers from diminishing returns as you only really want 1 copy of the book and if you're like me you don't care much about the board, so you're really only in it for the plastic.Spending $165 to get $180-200 in plastic is still a discount.

At least $100 in minis?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Pathfinder-Team-2017

So we're positing the sisters at at least $62 or a significant jump in the price of the pathfinders, right?

The additional Pathfinder sprue will definitely result in a price increase, $45-50 for the unit is my bet, and the sisters will be $50-60.

So autogun or autopistol+sword for all Sisters, cool.

Dang. That Sisters set is also a great source for Autoguns for cultists. Love it.

Can anyone tell if the terrain is exactly the same as the 2018 box? When looking at the pictures it seems less, but counting the floor tiles and the full wall panels came out the same.

 Dysartes wrote:
There's been no word on the Octarius Ork terrain coming out on its own yet, has there?

No but it is expected to come, I won't be surprised if it is announced the same pre-order week as the ocatarius squads... As nice as it is, it's not worthy of a footnote at a games expo as the release of those kits standalone were.

Sisters sprues are great.

So, about the Novitiates' headdress that's not exactly seen universal praise, seeing the Sister with the cup makes me think it's actually pretty cool as long as it's combined with a rebreather. I'm sure I have more time to think about alternative heads or conversions, but it's good to have that mailed down as an easy fix.

And yeah, the sprues are nice. Will be good to have a few of.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Dang. That Sisters set is also a great source for Autoguns for cultists. Love it.

Indeed. I've wanted such a bountiful source of plastic autoguns literally for decades.

chaos0xomega wrote:

The additional Pathfinder sprue will definitely result in a price increase, $45-50 for the unit is my bet, and the sisters will be $50-60.

Sisters will likely be $50...but they do have an upgrade sprue as well.

Pathfinders are looking at $45, minimum. Their unit has always been wonky pricing though since it basically mandates you needing a Devilfish to get the "full experience" because of that Recon Drone.

I do think it interesting that this is now two brand new Imperial units accompanied by an upgrade sprue. Kommandos didn't get an upgrade sprue alongside of them, but DKoK did. Novitiates got one from the outset and Pathfinders are just an additional sprue to go with what they already had.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

The additional Pathfinder sprue will definitely result in a price increase, $45-50 for the unit is my bet, and the sisters will be $50-60.

Sisters will likely be $50...but they do have an upgrade sprue as well.

Regular Battle Sister Squad is 60$.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I do think it interesting that this is now two brand new Imperial units accompanied by an upgrade sprue. Kommandos didn't get an upgrade sprue alongside of them, but DKoK did. Novitiates got one from the outset and Pathfinders are just an additional sprue to go with what they already had.

...am I odd for thinking that the Kommandos have missed out by not being designed in the same way as the DKoK and Novitiates? By which I mean a "basic" squad sprue, with upgrades for the KT options.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I do think it interesting that this is now two brand new Imperial units accompanied by an upgrade sprue. Kommandos didn't get an upgrade sprue alongside of them, but DKoK did. Novitiates got one from the outset and Pathfinders are just an additional sprue to go with what they already had.

...am I odd for thinking that the Kommandos have missed out by not being designed in the same way as the DKoK and Novitiates? By which I mean a "basic" squad sprue, with upgrades for the KT options.

Yes?

The Kommandos can be built as "traditional" Kommandos(slugga+choppa, upgrades of big shoota/rokkit launcha/burna) and the "new" kommandos(grot, bomb squig, ram guy, and the pseudo-commissar/vox-guy).

The DKoK can't use really any of their stuff. And some of it is even on the main sprue!

And the nu-Kommandos unit in 40k is a Underworlds-warband-in-AoS level clusterfeth of profiles that should not be allowed to exist. Hopefully all kill teams going forward will work off of KT specific upgrade sprues without a billion specialist items clogging up their 40k datasheet.