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So edition is all but confirmed. Now the real question is if it's a full 8th edition style reset like some "leaks" said or what.

I don't put much stock in GW releasing three new codexes in the 6 months prior to releasing a full reset edition of the game. The last codex (excluding the compilation book Imperial Agents and Codex Supplement Traitor Legions) was 9 months before 8th Edition.

Is “its Space Hulk” the new “Old World will be 15mm”?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean it could be both.

I mean if they've got a new 'Stealer and a new Termy kit, they could kill two birds with one stone and release a limited Space Hulk with the new minis and then release them alongside 10th later on.

Basically make the Hulk box the first place you can get them.

Just think of all the forge world chapter specific shoulder pad, head and upgrade packs that could be sold to fill months of releases ...just in time after they finish doing all the tanks for HH. plastic assault units, we got Sons of Medusa upgrades for your Terminators for you. Then they can release some Fleet Kraken detail kits .

I just hope they don't re-scale them, I've got a jillion terminators already and don't really want to have people calling them stumpy or baby marines or whatever other tedious thing

Billicus wrote:
I just hope they don't re-scale them, I've got a jillion terminators already and don't really want to have people calling them stumpy or baby marines or whatever other tedious thing

You're 100% guaranteed to be gak out of luck, even if primaris hadn't happened they'd still be getting taller and better proportioned like the chaos ones have.

Regards space hulk, it'll be my defacto response to literally every hint from now on I think.

Billicus wrote:
I just hope they don't re-scale them, I've got a jillion terminators already and don't really want to have people calling them stumpy or baby marines or whatever other tedious thing

They will certainly grow larger, that is a process that can't be stopped:

https://beyondthetabletop.com/true-scale-terminators

The question is rather, how will they look proportionally. Will they redesign parts of the armour completly. And last but not least, will it even remotely make sense that there is supposed to be an anatomical human inside the armour, that doesn't have dislocated joints and squished muscles/bones.

 alextroy wrote:
I don't put much stock in GW releasing three new codexes in the 6 months prior to releasing a full reset edition of the game. The last codex (excluding the compilation book Imperial Agents and Codex Supplement Traitor Legions) was 9 months before 8th Edition.

GW doesn't bat an eye at invalidating books within a few months of release.

 alextroy wrote:
I don't put much stock in GW releasing three new codexes in the 6 months prior to releasing a full reset edition of the game. The last codex (excluding the compilation book Imperial Agents and Codex Supplement Traitor Legions) was 9 months before 8th Edition.

I recall in 8th GW did something where they bought back books from a certain period. I doubt they'll do that again, but if they change the rules enough and you can't use the codex effectively we should pressure them.


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EDIT: it was 8 weeks from announcement.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/24/just-bought-a-codex-dont-worry-weve-got-you-covered/

Do you notice in the link that they said that they "usually" give the refunds for the 4 weeks prior to the announcement? That says, to me, that it is GW's normal business to print/sell things up to the time of announcing the new edition. Even knowing that the product will not be usable in a very short while.

So yeah, they do put new things out right until the very end of an edition's usability.

Refunds might not even be necessary with 10th since the app exists now.

Just unlock the relevant Index in the app for everyone who's put in a Codex-code for a 9th ed. book that's replaced by the Index.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Is “its Space Hulk” the new “Old World will be 15mm”?

It's the new Fishmen, rending ponies and Squats all rolled into one.


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Billicus wrote:
I just hope they don't re-scale them, I've got a jillion terminators already and don't really want to have people calling them stumpy or baby marines or whatever other tedious thing

My old Cadian models are now from a Cadian "Short Kings" regiment.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Do you notice in the link that they said that they "usually" give the refunds for the 4 weeks prior to the announcement? That says, to me, that it is GW's normal business to print/sell things up to the time of announcing the new edition. Even knowing that the product will not be usable in a very short while.

So yeah, they do put new things out right until the very end of an edition's usability.

It is one thing to continue to sell something that is on the shelf right up until you pull them off. It is another thing to release something you know will be useless in a very short period of time. I can't think of a major product like a Codex or an Armybook that they planned-obsolescenced in less than 6 months for a very long time.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Do you notice in the link that they said that they "usually" give the refunds for the 4 weeks prior to the announcement? That says, to me, that it is GW's normal business to print/sell things up to the time of announcing the new edition. Even knowing that the product will not be usable in a very short while.

So yeah, they do put new things out right until the very end of an edition's usability.

For proof the resin Dante and Azael are still up for sale.

Guaranteed to be plenty of nostalgia fans and procrastinators that will want to buy those.

JWBS wrote:
Guaranteed to be plenty of nostalgia fans and procrastinators that will want to buy those.

In metal, yeah, I bet there would. Resin? I have my doubts.

They expect you to use the codexes in the new edition, so they absolutely have no problem releasing them right before the edition changes.

The indexes for 8th were an exception, not the rule. 10th edition has to be completely different from the ground up for them to bother doing profile updates for every single army at launch.

It's almost definitely the Lion being revealed at Adepticon - have you seen the latest Warhammer Community teaser? It has a VIDEO OF AN ACTUAL LION ON IT.

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
It's almost definitely the Lion being revealed at Adepticon - have you seen the latest Warhammer Community teaser? It has a VIDEO OF AN ACTUAL LION ON IT.

Nah they just wanted to get your attention so you're awake for the reveals. They would be lion to you.

Ha! Maybe. :p If Lion El'Johnson doesn't make an appearance I'll be more shocked than Philip J Fry.

Oh boy that all but does confirm it doesn't it? I wonder how many people will switch to dark angels when he's revealed. Seems in my area every new release there's a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon immediately.

I won't be - not any more than I already am; I need to finish my successor Deathwing force. So far I have two squads out of the five I need... with the rumoured upscaled termis I now have to decide if I want to grab three boxes of the current DW or wait and rebuild in the new ones!

Welp I'm pretty dam excited for 10th.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Welp I'm pretty dam excited for 10th.

I mean... yeah.

I'm a bit iffy on how much streamlining they're going to do (GW always swings that pendulum like its their last day on earth), but what we've seen is mostly good. Morale not killing you is good. Getting rid of unit-specific strats and just making them inherent special rules is a fething no brainer and always has been.

Expanding the base core stratagems is a good idea, as that's what they should be. I do fear that something like "Smoke Launchers" will suddenly become a core strat. Equipment shouldn't be strats anymore than unit-specific strats.

Actually making use of toughness values above 8 and reducing instances of AP modifications is fantastic. AoC isn't necessary in a world where every pistol, blade and sharp rock has a -1 AP modifier.

I don't care that the psychic phase is gone, but my concern is if psychic powers just become "You have Smite + something else", and Warlord Traits/Relics just become 1-3 per Codex. Those are the fun things, the things that let you customise your characters (especially since Wargear hasn't really been a thing since 7th Ed). I mean yeah, cut down on strats all you like, but if they remove Warlord Traits/Psychic Powers/Relics at an alarming rate then that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

They're not ditching Crusade, which I'm happy about as I figured that'd last an edition and that'd be it.

I'm concerned about faction flavour. Your army rules will be on one page. Ok, how does one fit the daisy-chain Hive Mind stuff on one page along with everything else? 'Cause that's easily the coolest rule in the current 'Nid 'Dex outside of adaptive physiology (which they ruined in an FAQ/"balance" dataslate, but whatever). As always I remain less interested in what we're getting, and more in what we're losing.

'Cause do you think Legend units are going to get an update in 10th?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Actually making use of toughness values above 8 and reducing instances of AP modifications is fantastic. AoC isn't necessary in a world where every pistol, blade and sharp rock has a -1 AP modifier.

Think you mistyped? As surely AOC is neccessary if everything and kitchen sink has -1 AP.

The T removed rumour busted. Ultramarines still seem to be poster boys. Flamer marines confirmed.

I'm concerned about faction flavour. Your army rules will be on one page. Ok, how does one fit the daisy-chain Hive Mind stuff on one page along with everything else? 'Cause that's easily the coolest rule in the current 'Nid 'Dex outside of adaptive physiology (which they ruined in an FAQ/"balance" dataslate, but whatever). As always I remain less interested in what we're getting, and more in what we're losing.

'Cause do you think Legend units are going to get an update in 10th?

Sounds like AOS and factions feel like factions and despite removing stuff(subfactions went from multiple rules to generally 1 plus maybe optional battleline) they feel even more characterful. You don't need pages and pages of rules. One or two good rules does the trick.

I'd have liked a refresh on the Terminator helmet design. It would be nice if the librarian gets a classic psychic hood option, haven't seen that since the rune priest terminator.

For those who haven't seen 'em yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98ImCbhjnI

10th edition trailer (which is pretty badass if I do say so myself).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X39LxfGfRk4

10th edition intent / break down (kinda, it's 2 minutes of vague statements).

Things of note:

It looks like nids are indeed "the" bad guy this edition. Super curious to see how the old-style carnifex comes into things. We might be losing the hunched over ones in favor of the bipedal six-limbed ones? That or we may be getting Screamer Killer's as a "new" unit which has a specific model.

Developers say "Your army rules will fit in a single page, your datasheet rules will fit on a single card." Wasn't one of the rumors about units having cards instead of entries or something?

Over-all they seem to be going for "streamlining". Which could be good or bad... Good if we return to USR type stuff and cut down on the phenomenal bloat with tons of books and FAQ's required to play a game. Bad if the already puddle-deep core rules become even shallower.

I'm just glad we got a new edition of space hulk after all.

I was thinking recently while looking through One Page Rules "Wow GW should really get hold of the guy that wrote these". Not sure if they have done that (and probably not), but if they have looked at those rules and tried to capture the spirit of them I think that can only be a good thing.

The real beauty of opr grimdark future is alternating activations, which would be great if 40k adopted but I doubt it