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Sorry but, Roadhog is in a laughable state. He can't even kill a support reliable anymore without any help. Hell as even the pro players are saying Roadhog's in an awful state there's something wrong.

The whole character has been altered to the point it plays like a different character. Yeah great for the people that liked to play him... Not. He's a walking ult charge now.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Sorry but, Roadhog is in a laughable state. He can't even kill a support reliable anymore without any help. Hell as even the pro players are saying Roadhog's in an awful state there's something wrong.

The whole character has been altered to the point it plays like a different character. Yeah great for the people that liked to play him... Not. He's a walking ult charge now.

Not quite; while he's no longer a positioning punisher, he is still very effective against lower health heroes. He may not be able to kill almost every hero in one shot, but being able to bring an enemy player into the rest of your team is probably enough most of the time to spell their demise.

His alteration seems to make him a more effective Tank Hunter now. We'll see how it goes.

It's the changes to McCree that concern me the most. Deadeye locks on at an insanely fast rate now - I'm not ready to call it OP yet, since I haven't played enough games against McCree, and Deadeye previously was among the weaker/more situational Ultimates in the game.

 MarsNZ wrote:
Making the skins available is music to my MOBA hating ears.

I hate MOBAs too, but HotS is surprisingly fun and well thought out. You should try it sometime. I'm always about if you want someone to play it with

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Sorry but, Roadhog is in a laughable state. He can't even kill a support reliable anymore without any help. Hell as even the pro players are saying Roadhog's in an awful state there's something wrong.

The whole character has been altered to the point it plays like a different character. Yeah great for the people that liked to play him... Not. He's a walking ult charge now.

Non of the tanks can without committing hard core (rein charge, getting zarya charge, D.va being all up in their grill, Orisa...... well she doesnt have that much burst so its kinda their fault Winston takes ages to whittle down healers especially if they are clustered healing each other.) Hog is the only tank that can pull some one 20 some odd meteres into his own team and so doesnt have to commit and its on a short cool down.

Reaper on the other hand i want to wait and see. i feel like bayblade might come back.

oh a side note 3/3 placement awww yeah

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Sorry but, Roadhog is in a laughable state. He can't even kill a support reliable anymore without any help. Hell as even the pro players are saying Roadhog's in an awful state there's something wrong.

The whole character has been altered to the point it plays like a different character. Yeah great for the people that liked to play him... Not. He's a walking ult charge now.

Can't instakill 50% of characters =/= laughable state.

Maybe now we won't see 2 of him in literally every ladder game.

 General Annoyance wrote:


I hate MOBAs too, but HotS is surprisingly fun and well thought out. You should try it sometime. I'm always about if you want someone to play it with

UK + NZ aren't really compatible for gaming but thanks for the offer.

 MarsNZ wrote:
UK + NZ aren't really compatible for gaming but thanks for the offer.

I'm a night owl; I'm sure we can make it happen

I guess ping problems could be the issue?

I know when I pay overwatch, Europe servers are 23ms. American ones are 127ms.

Not that I've ever been good for that to matter. but you fowks all seem to be geniuses at it at the level it very well might.

The Reaper change seems good from a mechanical standpoint but a bit of a cop-out from a lore one. His soul mechanic was inconsistently useful, but made sense for the character. What I would have liked to see is a compromise like they did way back with Torb, where Reaper gets health when damaging people but still gets to eat souls (at a reduced amount of healing).

Also maining Hog is can no longer carry people to from silver to plat, so take that as you will.

Good thing I man Mercy. Blizzard made a few changes to her, and now seems pretty content to leave her where she is. Makes it a lot easier for me to main her since I don't have to worry about her getting nerfed into the ground or buffed into the stratosphere

 General Annoyance wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
UK + NZ aren't really compatible for gaming but thanks for the offer.

I'm a night owl; I'm sure we can make it happen

More of a ping issue. 40ms to AU is great, 150ms to US-West is perfectly playable for me. Anything further away than that is creeping into 200+ and EU servers are usually 350+.

Also between Overwatch, Europa Universalis IV and Rising Storm 2 I don't really have the time for another game.

War Kitten wrote:Good thing I man Mercy. Blizzard made a few changes to her, and now seems pretty content to leave her where she is. Makes it a lot easier for me to main her since I don't have to worry about her getting nerfed into the ground or buffed into the stratosphere

Same here with D.Va. Problem is it's a lot harder to carry with D.Va than with Mercy...

MarsNZ wrote:More of a ping issue. 40ms to AU is great, 150ms to US-West is perfectly playable for me. Anything further away than that is creeping into 200+ and EU servers are usually 350+.

Also between Overwatch, Europa Universalis IV and Rising Storm 2 I don't really have the time for another game.

I spend most of my time in the Americas region since all my friends play there; the ping is low enough to not make a difference.

But cool if you have other stuff going on the list. I'm about if you change your mind

Doomfist origin story is up! What do you think? I loved it.

He's on the PTR now too - guess that's my evening blown

Guess I have something to look forward to when I get back from vacation.

Nerf Roadhog to bits... Bring in Doomfist who has high mobility and is able to oneshot people every 4 seconds and gets shields in doing so. What...

On top of that... another dps. Really needed more of those. It's not like anyone in QP plays anything other then dps.

Hoped him to be a defense character, but nope.
I hope they fix him, he plays clunky.

I think he's pretty neat. I wish they hadn't given him those stupid knuckle-shotguns (seriously, how hard would it have been to just have him PUNCH PEOPLE as his main attack?)- I think having him be melee-only would have done a lot to tie his character together and make him fit better in the Offense role.

I find it interesting that he's Talon, though. About time they fleshed out the 'bad guys' a little more.

Mechanically, I don't like him. He busts down tanks (Rein, D.VA, Roadhog melted like ice on a hot summer's day) and low HP heroes, he's not that survivable, however in no MoBA game have I enjoyed playing with or against glass cannons.

Also his quick melee is with his small rather than his big fist.

Logic there is none.

Anvildude wrote:

I find it interesting that he's Talon, though. About time they fleshed out the 'bad guys' a little more.

It also makes we wonder if we'll see him, Reaper, Sombra and Widowmaker in a PVE mode any time soon.

I'm curious if they're going to introduce Talon Tank and Support characters. Sombra is a sort-of Support, but right now most Talon heroes are in Offense.

I'd like to see a big brute of a Tank, and maybe some sort of mad chemist for a Talon Support.

We'll probably see 1 more support, the rumored Chimpanzee with barrier and healing creation abilities.

After that, we know that Blizzard has been working on Overwatch singleplayer/cooperative content far beyond the coop events. After that, maybe 4 more characters ported over from that to the multiplayer.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also his quick melee is with his small rather than his big fist.

Logic there is none.

It makes sense, he has cooldowns on his right hand for a reason, being able to blast somebody over and over with it would make no sense at all.

Also, there is this.

Mei's origin story is up:

Goddammit. Feelings. Why did it have to be feelings?

Well now I feel bad for Mei.

If any of you guys still play, PTR notes are up.

its gonna be fun on the bun being a D.va disposable cruise missile.

and battle mercy is a thing for now.

Please post up the patch notes. Blizzard's site is awful...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Please post up the patch notes. Blizzard's site is awful...

PTR Patch notes
HERO UPDATES

D.Va

Micro Missiles (New Ability)
D.Va fires a barrage of small rockets that detonate on impact, dealing damage in a limited radius around each explosion. These can be fired while D.Va is using any other ability or firing her Fusion Cannons
Defense Matrix
Defense Matrix's resource meter will now deplete twice as quickly
Boosters
Fusion Cannons can now be fired while flying

Developer Comments: D.Va’s Defense Matrix uptime has proven to be too strong, but simply reducing it without making other changes would make her too weak (and far less interesting to play). Instead, we’re adding a new ability, and giving her the ability to fire while flying. These changes give D.Va a lot of new options while maintaining Defense Matrix’s ability to shut down big enemy attacks.

Mercy

Resurrect (formerly Mercy’s Ultimate ability)
Ability now targets a single player, instead of every player within a radius
Radius reduced to 5 meters
Ability cooldown is 30 seconds
Mercy is no longer granted invulnerability while Resurrect is active
Valkyrie (New Ultimate Ability)
Valkyrie unleashes the full power of Mercy’s Valkyrie Suit, enhancing her weapons and abilities for 20 seconds:
Caduceus Staff: Mercy’s healing and damage boost beams now affect all allies near the targeted teammate, and the staff’s effective range has been extended
Caduceus Blaster: Granted infinite ammo, while simultaneously increasing damage and fire rate
Guardian Angel: Increased range and movement speed
Resurrect: Cooldown is instantly reset when Valkyrie is activated and reduced to 10s after the initial cast
Hover: Mercy gains the ability to fly freely, at increased movement speed
Regeneration (Passive): No longer interrupted when Mercy takes damage

Developer Comments: While resurrecting downed allies is a core part of Mercy’s gameplay, the way her Ultimate functioned was causing a number of problems. It was frustrating to play against, and it incentivized Mercy players to hide away from important battles, instead of taking part in them. This version turns Resurrect into a single target ability. It’s still an important part of Mercy’s kit, but plays much better for both Mercy players and her enemies. Valkyrie, her new Ultimate, gives her the opportunity to make big game-making plays and opens a number of new options for her.

Reinhardt

Barrier Field
Holding primary fire while your shield is active now allows you to rotate the camera

Developer Comments: This change gives Reinhardt more situational awareness while using his shield, allowing him to keep an eye on the battlefield while still protecting his team.

So I haven't played Overwatch in months due to the community keeping me thoroughly downtrodden whenever I played it. These new D.Va changes might interest me enough to get back in.

Honestly though, I'm not too sure why she's being changed for the umpteenth time; when I left she was in good standing.

Not that it ultimately matters. My best memories of Overwatch involve me having to switch off her to play the healers nobody else wanted to play, or being told she wasn't competitive (which I hear has changed); I ended my run of Season 5 as a complete Support Main.

PTR's fired up and I'm queuing for games. Let's see how it goes...

It looks like they have completely redesigned the game with those changes

I just played a quick game on the PTR as D.Va. Map was Route 66

Overall, the changes seem fairly minor to me; the biggest things that I couldn't quite wrap my head around were Micro Missiles and the ability to fire while Boosting - using both of those abilities in tandem goes against everything I've learned and mastered before while playing her. Micro Missiles are pretty weak - they require a tad of aiming, but their purpose seems to be to increase your damage output at short range and provide an option for medium/long range engagements. Not too sure how I feel about D.Va having ability at range - her concept as a character has always been a highly aggressive, close assault damage soaker/assassin, but now you don't really have to follow that concept.

Well, to an extent. I'm not exaggerating when I say these Micro Missiles are weak. Frankly they're in a good place for what is essentially an ability that greatly increases D.Va's ranged ability.

Firing while flying is also a new habit I couldn't quite break into first time round. I had some goes on the Practice Range, but I've always been used to Boosting towards my opponent, hitting them with a melee attack, then engaging with the Fusion Cannons. Now I can fly towards them, shoot with the Fusion Cannons, unload Micro Missiles if I have any, and follow it up with a melee attack before I even get back into regular combat. If I can remember to do all that...

Personally so far I would prefer if that wasn't a thing, since firing with my index finger on the mouse while flying, readying my melee with my middle finger (I mapped it to middle mouse), all while controlling the flight path, pressing E if I have Micro Missiles, and using DM if a lot of fire is coming my way, is a lot to manage in a few seconds. I may be a MEKA Expert, but I am no Jet Fighter Pilot.


Overall though, she seems pretty much the same in terms of combat power. I guess the extra DM consumption will stop any consistent fire/ult blocking, in exchange for now being able to engage at medium range, and also being able to deal damage at a longer range than before. I ended the game with a 28 streak, which is fairly average for me playing D.Va in a match with a good comp. Seems like I've still got it


Mercy's ult though... I didn't read the full patch notes before I went in. I had no idea what the hell she was doing when she triggered her new ability. A lot of people were saying it was OP, but I couldn't see enough of it to tell.


G.A