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 Esmer wrote:
If I am not mistaken, there is some sort of eerie connection between Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic, right? Too many of the latter's kits look like revamped versions of the former's for it to be a coincidence.


None at all, other than the word "Wargames" in the name. The owner started it basically in retirement because he was extraordinarily disappointed with the price to quality ratio of several plastic kits from other manufacturers on the market and the huge gaping holes in eras that should have plastic kits.

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Hm, okay. Three of their earliest kits were Space Nazis, Greek-ish skeletons and Persian infantry. I assumed, with WGF having done all of those, that there was some sort of re-boot attempt at play here.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.


If they could, using a couple optional parts, stand in for both Sentinels and Rough Riders, they might sell.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.


If they could, using a couple optional parts, stand in for both Sentinels and Rough Riders, they might sell.


Rough Riders are gone though, only Krieg has them

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.


If they could, using a couple optional parts, stand in for both Sentinels and Rough Riders, they might sell.


Rough Riders are gone though, only Krieg has them

Most grognards I have seen are used to make some form of Krieg equivalents, so the Krieg cavalry would certainly be a selling point for sure. How much they would be favoured in comparison with a direct kitbash with historical miniatures would depend on the look/price.

   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
No they really don't. The only connection is the Eisenkern which is a third party IP cast by both companies.


Didn’t they also use the same artist or graphic designer? The sculptor for RGD Games, for whom WGA handles manufacturing and/or distribution, used to sculpt for WGF, even reusing some of their assets. And the cook used to be their cook—fatal mistake telling us we were eating one of their favorite recipes.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Now that I think about it, Grognards Cav will probably sell badly compared to others for a simple reason - most people use Death Fields as 3rd party Imperial Guard and IG has no cavalry. So it probably wouldn't be a great idea.


If they could, using a couple optional parts, stand in for both Sentinels and Rough Riders, they might sell.


Rough Riders are gone though, only Krieg has them


They’re not gone as long as we remember them.

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There are lots of eerie parallels and similarities between WGA and WGF, and also the ill-fated follow-up to WGF, Defiance Games. The webistes for WGF and Defiance are very similar/borderline identical in design and layout, the logos are very similar too, using the same/very similar color pallets and grunge styling. They also are offering very similar product lines and concepts, and take very similar approaches to marketing and branding for their different miniatures ranges, etc.

I have a very hard time believing that there isn't more going on behind the scenes - I don't think Tony Reidy is involved with WGA in any capacity, but it sure as hell seems like they copied his homework/hired someone behind the scenes that was involved with both companies, more than what would make sense or be justified from them simply using the same sculptors and graphic designers. The entire business/operating concept and presentation are too much alike for there to not be someone in a business/operations management role calling the same shots.

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I don't think we need to get into conspiratorial territory. They stated that they used the same graphic designer for some of their boxes, it might even be the same web designer (although the sites look totally different to me).

All the conspiracy mongering does is cast a shadow over what is one of the most exciting wargaming companies to come along in a while. If we start seeing smoke, we can start looking for a fire. But the jump from "they are running a poll and the graphic design is vaguely familiar" to saying the human skidmark of the early plastic wargaming golden age is somehow involved is silly.
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
There are lots of eerie parallels and similarities between WGA and WGF, and also the ill-fated follow-up to WGF, Defiance Games. The webistes for WGF and Defiance are very similar/borderline identical in design and layout, the logos are very similar too, using the same/very similar color pallets and grunge styling. They also are offering very similar product lines and concepts, and take very similar approaches to marketing and branding for their different miniatures ranges, etc.

I have a very hard time believing that there isn't more going on behind the scenes - I don't think Tony Reidy is involved with WGA in any capacity, but it sure as hell seems like they copied his homework/hired someone behind the scenes that was involved with both companies, more than what would make sense or be justified from them simply using the same sculptors and graphic designers. The entire business/operating concept and presentation are too much alike for there to not be someone in a business/operations management role calling the same shots.


One can draw the same parallel to any Shopify based website, so you've got a couple ten thousand websites with eerie parallels and let's not even broach Peter Dennis' artwork as featured in 200 Osprey books and dozens of different company's products - hell, basically every Warlord, Gripping Beast, Perry, etc release has Peter Dennis cover art. (also, the WGF boxes were terrible cgi cover art with insane color choices)

The owner and head honcho of WGA posts freely on Facebook if you'd like to chat with him. I have been, for years.

I think the only eerie similarities are the fact it's a small company releasing plastic kits for stuff the market wants. The differences include such things as, well, actual customer communications, delivering product, and a higher quality of product, lol

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I was thinking of Defiance Games when I mentioned WGF cover art.


   
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 Gallahad wrote:
to saying the human skidmark of the early plastic wargaming golden age is somehow involved is silly.


I literally said the opposite of that.


One can draw the same parallel to any Shopify based website, so you've got a couple ten thousand websites with eerie parallels


I operate a shopify webstore, looks literally nothing like either of those. Actually cant say that any of the official shopify themes look anything like that.

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Ma55ter_fett wrote:It reads like the ramblings of a Nigerian lobotomized Shakespeare typed into a cellphone with a very aggressive autocomplete function.
 
   
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I have painted almost all of the Wargames Atlantic sets (barring two) for them, and I painted almost all of Wargames Factory's later stuff (Samurai, AWI, Zombie Vixens, Survivors, etc.) for that company. That would account for the similar styles in mini painting/photography as I both paint and photograph the minis for marketing purposes. For example, I painted and photographed the Eisenkern once for WGF and did the same for the retooled WA models.

The design and marketing approach of WA compared to WGF (both Reidy era and post-Reidy era), from my perspective as a for-hire freelancer, is significantly different. Don't get me wrong, post-Reidy WGF had some good, professional people working for it and there was a noticeable ramp in quality before the factory owner changed tack and Warlord took on the ranges.


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Ancestral Hamster wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm really hoping this contest doesn't come down to just one kit. I know WGA doesn't have the bandwidth to do a bunch of these kits simultaneously, but for all the issues there are a number of suggestions in the lists that definitely point to market gaps which will probably prove themselves to also be in high demand. Be cool if the outcome was "The next kit is x, and then after that we're going to start work on y and z too!"
They seem to have a few projects going at a time. We know about the Conquistadors and Aztecs, and they showed Gurkhas, but when I asked about them, Lord Marcus said (IIRC) there was a snag, so they'd be delayed. And they were working on fantasy elves, but that one got shelved, probably due to the two types of Oathmark Elves kits getting to market first. So WGA can do multiple projects, at least up to a point.


We have many kits in some stage of development.

chaos0xomega wrote:I think WGA is a british company, not American, but could be wrong.

No, we are american based. We have people on both sides of the pond though.

But isn't that exactly what most people want? Cheaper and alternative versions for already popular games.
From my very limited experience of selling 3D prints, original sculpts sell far worse than count-as models useable in 40k.


Sure, but what that *actually* means is a plastic kit for something that is currently only available in metal, not a plastic kit for something that already exists in plastic in multiple places.

Many of the options on the list already have 2-4 plastic kits available from other manufacturers. You can buy every form of French Napoleonic infantry imaginable in plastic today and get 30-50 minis for $30-40. At this point "cheaper" means 2 more minis in a box that costs $1 less - i.e. not meaningful. At this point "alternative" means the box has a 3:5 ratio of minis in firing poses to marching poses vs a 2:5 ratio - i.e. not meaningful. And yet theres been at least a half dozen French Nappy infantry requests on the list.

Realistically speaking, kits like that are going to get a lot of votes because they are a popular subject matter and people are going to mostly vote based on their existing interests rather than their potential wants/needs (i.e. "I play French Napoleonics now, so Im going to vote for French Napoleonics" vs "I don't play Scifi Winged Space Hussars on lizard camels, but if the kit existed I might start playing that"). The voters don't have any business concerns about product viability nor do they have any skin in the game/commitments to purchase them, etc. I.E. a vote is not a sale, only a potential sale. The number of potential sales registered via votes for French Nappy infantry in this case is likely to be very high, because they are likely to carry a lot of votes, BUT the potential that those votes convert to sales is likely going to be low because theres already a ton of plastic options for the same thing out there right now. By comparison something like Winged Hussars might not get as many votes, but those votes carry a lot more weight from a business standpoint because there are no options for that kit in plastic, and only a limited selection of options available in metal/resin - i.e. the potential for a sales conversion from those votes is significantly higher than they would be from French Nappys, in other words they are more real and meaningful, because the people voting for winged hussars or whatever don't have any other options and they are voting for the thing because its something that they actually want to buy vs something that would just be nice to have available.



Esmer wrote:
 Galas wrote:
In this round I voted for nearly all fantasy and sci-fi (with the exception of cyberpunk stuff feth that)


But I'll admit I'm voting for all spanish related miniatures. And mesoamerican and amerindian (Incas in this case). And Cataphracts and heavy ancient cavalry. We need more of those.


Likewise, I vote for everything related to Greece (so, all Byzantine kits, Greek War of Independence and Cretan Resistance) altough I rather doubt anything will come of it.

Warlord Games still sell several of the ex-Wargames Factory sets. Skeletons, Orcs, SaxonFyrd and 4 different boxes of Samurai/Ashigaru. None of them are great.

Wargames Atlantic stuff is much better in my opinion.



If I am not mistaken, there is some sort of eerie connection between Wargames Factory and Wargames Atlantic, right? Too many of the latter's kits look like revamped versions of the former's for it to be a coincidence.


chaos0xomega wrote:There are lots of eerie parallels and similarities between WGA and WGF, and also the ill-fated follow-up to WGF, Defiance Games. The webistes for WGF and Defiance are very similar/borderline identical in design and layout, the logos are very similar too, using the same/very similar color pallets and grunge styling. They also are offering very similar product lines and concepts, and take very similar approaches to marketing and branding for their different miniatures ranges, etc.

I have a very hard time believing that there isn't more going on behind the scenes - I don't think Tony Reidy is involved with WGA in any capacity, but it sure as hell seems like they copied his homework/hired someone behind the scenes that was involved with both companies, more than what would make sense or be justified from them simply using the same sculptors and graphic designers. The entire business/operating concept and presentation are too much alike for there to not be someone in a business/operations management role calling the same shots.


No, not at all. We are not the same company.

Gallahad wrote:I don't think we need to get into conspiratorial territory. They stated that they used the same graphic designer for some of their boxes, it might even be the same web designer (although the sites look totally different to me).

All the conspiracy mongering does is cast a shadow over what is one of the most exciting wargaming companies to come along in a while. If we start seeing smoke, we can start looking for a fire. But the jump from "they are running a poll and the graphic design is vaguely familiar" to saying the human skidmark of the early plastic wargaming golden age is somehow involved is silly.


We are not the same company and not the same people.

Our website is shopify based.

RGD gaming kits (faun and centaur) were not developed by us. We just produced the plastic through our process.

I play: AOS Death, AOS Cities of Sigmar, 40K imperial soup.

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So this has been good fun so far. A lot of nice ideas in those polls, if among even more junk of course.

What I really want to see the light of day though: WW2 Italian infantry. Those would be a first in plastic, and much appreciated!
   
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Well, as a new member of the forum this has been a fun 60 page journey.

I am a big fan of Wargames Atlantic, although I wish they had an EU hub similar to their UK hub now that Brexit has happened. I have several boxes of the figures and recommend them highly.

The WA polls have been entertaining, if nothing else and I think it is a great idea to involve customers in the creative process.

This thread has shown an interesting slice of Dakka Dakka member behavior as well as moderation and it has really opened my eyes. Looks like tough skin is in order here.

Now let’s all hope our favorite choice wins the poll and not be upset if it doesn’t!

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In case anyone is curious what "Death Fields Necromatic Death Infantry" means, imagine something like a combination of Quake's Strogg, Riddick's Necromongers, Star Trek's borg, and Darth Vader in a blender.

Basically, half dead warriors kept alive through heavy usage of cybernetics and clad in advanced plate armor with lots of tubes, wires, and blinky lights.
   
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 Jack Flask wrote:
In case anyone is curious what "Death Fields Necromatic Death Infantry" means, imagine something like a combination of Quake's Strogg, Riddick's Necromongers, Star Trek's borg, and Darth Vader in a blender.

Basically, half dead warriors kept alive through heavy usage of cybernetics and clad in advanced plate armor with lots of tubes, wires, and blinky lights.


Did you suggest that? Cause i assume a few people voted for it not knowing whatever it means.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
I am a big fan of Wargames Atlantic, although I wish they had an EU hub similar to their UK hub now that Brexit has happened. I have several boxes of the figures and recommend them highly.
Germany-based Miniaturicum stocks their range: https://www.miniaturicum.de/
   
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By the way, Round 6!

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/final-round-6-of-6-in-heat-1-get-your-votes-in

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Does this make it so there was some kind of Hussars in each round of the poll?
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Does this make it so there was some kind of Hussars in each round of the poll?


Must sell hussars!

not gonna lie though, they always had the most dapper uniforms, and death field hussars would be something cool looking

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In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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 Jack Flask wrote:
In case anyone is curious what "Death Fields Necromatic Death Infantry" means, imagine something like a combination of Quake's Strogg, Riddick's Necromongers, Star Trek's borg, and Darth Vader in a blender.

Basically, half dead warriors kept alive through heavy usage of cybernetics and clad in advanced plate armor with lots of tubes, wires, and blinky lights.


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Round 6 I voted:
Fantasy Constructs/Golems
Picts
Orcs
Death Fields: Necromatic Death Infantry
Yetis
Gothic horror set during the Napoleonic Wars
   
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Vigo. Spain.

Yetis, please, theres a serious lack of yetis in plastic.

I also vote for all three sets of hoplites, greeks, spartan and teban.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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My suggestion finally showed up, unceremoniously renamed from something like Build Your Own Killer Robot Kit to "Modular Robots" and I'm glad the editor had time to do that but skipped over yet another Death Fields Hussars entry

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Napelonic gothic horror is great , especially since i started a turnip 28 project

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
My suggestion finally showed up, unceremoniously renamed from something like Build Your Own Killer Robot Kit to "Modular Robots" and I'm glad the editor had time to do that but skipped over yet another Death Fields Hussars entry


If it makes you feel better I voted for them before reading this!

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/final-round-6-of-6-in-heat-1-get-your-votes-in

round 6

 
   
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Btw, what does VSF stand for in VSF Automaton Robots

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Btw, what does VSF stand for in VSF Automaton Robots


Victorian Science Fiction, basically Steampunk though one might quibble minor aesthetic points.
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