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djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

Lol AlexHolker too true... and that's what it's come to, eh?

AlexHolker wrote:

djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

-sigged

If I understand Scryer right, these are the two metal boxes, a rerelease of the old metal Lothern Seaguard with new shields (quiver separate, so you can use them as regular spearmen), plus the shields as a separate bitz pac for October:

AlexHolker wrote:

djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

Hell, I'd like GW more if they actually went with slogans like that.

Thank god it took GW so long to relase island of blood, 2 months ago I woulda shelled out a few hundred dollars for a HE army, now I've cooled off to the point of "41.50?! for 10 guys? no thank you!"

I do like the new models, if my income were more disposable I'd be very tempted to convert the PG into spearmen (spearmen heads, carve off the axeblade so the halberds loo like spears, add a shield). But at $124 a unit for a block of 30, not much beter for bitz-ordering the isle of blood seagard for conversions, and having plenty of time to think while the "OMG NEW MODELS LOOK SEXY BUY BUY BUY" kicked in, I hitnk I'll be giving em a pass now

I actually like the Phoenix Guard and White Lions, not so much the Dragon Princes. However i'll definitely not be using the PG champion's helm... he can have a regular's helm painted differently.

Actually. I'm not buying them at all. $70AU for 10 plastic models is beyond ridiculous.
Although GW will probably take my not purchasing as a sign that prices need to be higher to generate better profits...

Trasvi wrote:Actually. I'm not buying them at all. $70AU for 10 plastic models is beyond ridiculous.

They're $37.50 through Maelstrom. For us Aussies, British prices are like Christmas.

I am more excited about the shield pack than the plastic models lol. I can now have some cool looking shields on my metal seaguard.

MunkeyKungFu wrote:I am more excited about the shield pack than the plastic models lol. I can now have some cool looking shields on my metal seaguard.

True dat. All my metal sea guard will be getting new shields.

I'm also liking the shields, though I'll be slapping them onto my plastic guys most likely.

Wow I don't like any of those.

The old metal versions look much better. Time to peruse ebay for people dumping the them for the new crappy plastics.

Malakai over at Warseer posted a size comparison of Seaguard and spearmen:



More than I expected.

To be fair the size of the new IOB plastics is much better than hobbit elves

Clearly a strong blackmarket for growth hormones in Lothern.

Flashman wrote:Clearly a strong blackmarket for growth hormones in Lothern.

Either that or a short, monkey-fisted subspecies used as cannon fodder.

Yay for scale creep, again!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yay for scale creep, again!

No doubt.

A bit depressing, really.

In this day and age, with the technology available, they really should be able to get a handle on this.

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yay for scale creep, again!

No doubt.

A bit depressing, really.

In this day and age, with the technology available, they really should be able to get a handle on this.

Or the original models were woefully underscaled...

Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...


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As an aside, is Warseer completely failboating today for anyone else? The site's been loading for 10 minutes and still hasn't actually loaded. I wanted to see the scale comparison picture, because I get the inkling that the new Sea Guard/Swordmasters, etc are more in line with the Dark Elf Corsairs and Wood Elves.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...

Or, it is OK for some of us to admit that, but not all of us!

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...

Or, it is OK for some of us to admit that, but not all of us!

What's there to screw up? I mean this seriously:
Old models are old and out of scale.
Shocker, really. The Catachans are horribly out of scale, and we all know the reason why is simply that they're old and were done with less tech and sculptor experience.
It also doesn't help that the High Elf Spearmen/Archer kits were done by some of the crummier sculptors that we all love to hate(*cough* Morrison *cough cough*).

Er... OK, you win!

Of course I do. I'm a winner.

But still. It's like what cropped up in that Wargames Foundry thread:
You can't compare older stuff directly to "new" stuff, without making some allowances for the sculptor, age of the models, complexity of the models, the material, art design from the time of production, etc.

To be fair, they COULD have made it to match the scale of the older figures.

It would have been less plastic too!

The scale comparison photo finally loaded.

And that actually looks far more acceptable, when comparing say the plastic Prince on foot or some of the current metal characters. It's also pretty close to the Corsairs and Glade Guard, just from eyeballing it.

Kanluwen wrote:What's there to screw up? I mean this seriously:
Old models are old and out of scale.
Shocker, really. The Catachans are horribly out of scale, and we all know the reason why is simply that they're old and were done with less tech and sculptor experience.
It also doesn't help that the High Elf Spearmen/Archer kits were done by some of the crummier sculptors that we all love to hate(*cough* Morrison *cough cough*).

We are talking about scale issues among current High Elf models, supposed to fit together in a current High Elf army. Standard troops should be the same scale and they aren't. Customers could expect all current models for an army to be the same scale and fit together. If not, something went wrong. Simple as that.

BTW Morrison's Lothern Seaguard are the best spearmen next to the starter set Seaguard, GW has ever produced. Even if some other Morrison sculpts are not my taste.

Morrison does great metals, but the plastics done by Morrison are crap.

And by the way, current High Elf models are for the most part...old.

I'm willing to hazard a guess that the Sea Guard won't look out of place next to the new White Lions, Phoenix Guard, or Dragon Princes.

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW Morrison's Lothern Seaguard are the best spearmen next to the starter set Seaguard, GW has ever produced. Even if some other Morrison sculpts are not my taste.

The older ones that are getting re-released ? I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison pic there...