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It's nice that he's addressing those issues at all. Hopefully he's aware of the futility of trying to reason with complaining nerds on the internet though or he's going to get a headache.

If your army has a codex (for lack of a better word), deck of cards, tokens, its own sub category under the Gallery at the main site, etc, it should be considered a faction.

While I understand what the guy is saying, if the Merc book says something along the lines of, "put these into other armies or field your own Merc army" they should be treated the same as the other armies.

Wuyley wrote:If your army has a codex (for lack of a better word), deck of cards, tokens, its own sub category under the Gallery at the main site, etc, it should be considered a faction.

While I understand what the guy is saying, if the Merc book says something along the lines of, "put these into other armies or field your own Merc army" they should be treated the same as the other armies.

Maybe because no Mercenary faction has a Forces book, deck of cards, or it's own sub category?

There's Rhulic mercs, the Talion Charter, the Highborn Covenant, and Four Star Syndicate. And there is a fair bit of cross over between them. The Dorfs don't have their own book or deck, neither do the Pirates or Rebels. Add them all up and you have almost enough stuff to make a full faction, except a fair number of them won't work with each other or are already fulfilling the niche that an in contract unit would fill.

They would have to make at least two or three additional engines, to be used in armies that are practically non-existent past 35 points. Mercs need all sorts of stuff before they get engines.

As you said, there is a "fair bit of cross over between them". Why can't you make one engine that all the mercs can use?

The only charter I can see having a problem with this maybe is the Talion Charter. Maybe make something along the lines of a landship

The fair bit of crossover does not extend nearly far enough for Mercs to get an Engine. Rhulic mercs don't deal with anyone not Rhulic, though other mercs and factions can take some Rhulic units. Magnus gets some Cygnaran units to represent traitors and such that no other mercs get access to. Talion charter have all kinds of stuff that gel together nicely within the charter but not so much with other Mercs or factions and even have one unit that only one of their own 'Casters can ever take. And they're pirates based off ships and fight on land when needed, a tank makes no sense for them as where would they put in on ship? The 'jacks they use double as labor jacks to use on ship, they don't need anything beyond that.

It's pretty hard to fit an Engine into the Merc faction at this time, as they are several sub factions within one as has been stated. Steelheads are the closest thing to a "generic" Merc faction, and even fielding a pure list of them is difficult. An Engine just doesn't fit them right now.

A weapon platform that can deliver death and ruin to nearly any part of the battlefield, the Khador gun carriage is a rolling engine of destruction. Its dual cannons can blast apart enemy warjacks, shatter troop formations, or transform the earth into a crater-scarred wasteland. Their resounding thunder often heralds Khadoran victory on the battlefield. Even without its mighty guns the massive machine can easily shatter through enemy lines and trample foes beneath tons of iron and horseflesh.

Product Information
Base Size: 120mm
PIP Code: 33077
Price: $84.99*
Model Count: 1
Packaging: Box
*Product information and prices subject to change

$85!! Was not expecting it to get that high.

It's about the price range I was expecting after seeing the destors and ogrun unit prices. I was hoping for about $10 cheaper but for such centerpieces that almost no one will own more than one of the price isn't ludicrous. How much are forge world resin models of the same size after all?(and not the additional parts for plastics, the full resin ones)
I'll try to get the cool cygnar one if I can afford it but it's a resounding 'no!' to the fugly retribution lump. If the force generator is that good I'll scratchbuild something not as hideous.

I was figuring it'd be more in line with the $60 extreme titan which is just as large.

Price is also subject to change...upsy or downsy? What do people reckon?

Neither, most likely. It's just a generic disclaimer they stick on everything that hasn't hit the shelves yet.

I think it depends. If the outcry is considerable, I could see it lowering to $75.

But PP tends to price for the long term.

It may be pricy now, but as time goes on, it won't be subject to price increases as frequently as the average GW item.

It does mean they intend them as something you want, not something you need, I think.

85? Chances are that's going to be the Euro price as well. €85,-- // $113.67 most likely means my FLGS won't be stocking it, even with a discount.

For ten Euros more I could get a Stompa or ImperiumHammer tank.

wow... 85$?!

*starts saving pennies* 1...2...3...

Oh well... I'll probably only get the Cygnar and Troll one when it comes out (one of the blogs on their site mentioned that they would be coming out with Hordes versions of Battle Engines... most likely HUGE warbeasts or the like). The price just makes it hard on folks who happened to have cobbled together a couple armies...

I'm guessing this is the IK version of Apocalypse a.k.a. optional fun with big armies and less army list hassling.

Might be more in GBP. Warmachine stuff appears to be typically cheaper in the States. Probably due to imports and that than anything.

PP has a casting house in the UK.
Chimera or something IIRC.

Though maybe demand will be low enough for them to keep it in-house.

BrookM wrote:I'm guessing this is the IK version of Apocalypse a.k.a. optional fun with big armies and less army list hassling.

Doubtful, actually. They've hinted that they'll be in the 8-12 point price range in the Insiders.

They also added a 3D view of the model: http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/battle-engines-/gun-carriage

BrookM wrote:I'm guessing this is the IK version of Apocalypse a.k.a. optional fun with big armies and less army list hassling.

I think it's part of the normal game. Based on all the Privateer Insider posts (basically, the
PP blog on their site) it sounds like they've play tested the rules on them to make them
playable. According to one of their developers on those blogs, they've been in development
for years now.

BrookM wrote:I'm guessing this is the IK version of Apocalypse a.k.a. optional fun with big armies and less army list hassling.

Fun is not optional in Warmahordes.

FUN.

IS.

MANDATORY!

Woah, awesome!

Well, it eats souls and those STILL look suspiciously like arc nodes...

For the mercs- everyone seems to be focusing on the idea a warmachine would have to be of a specific charter or warcaster(which is reasonable considering Magnus designs his own Jacks...).

But why not have one that is just counted as a Character unit? Be pretty easy to setup as a 'Works only with mercenary charters'

Granted, like most merc units it would likely be incredibly generalized in its use(whereas the faction ones seem to be specialized/focused) but open to some synergistic use.

Still, kudos again to PP for trying something new ^_^

Why bother designing and casting something that only a tiny fraction of the playerbase can use?

Mercenaries are not a faction, and they need to get over that. Hell, I play both Mercs and Minions, and I don't bitch and moan every time the prime factions get something.

havent seen these posted yet.







We've already seen the pope chair, and of course the chariot.

Those are all already posted earlier in the thread, sorry

Seeing all these kinda scares me though...

I don't want to end up getting gimped if I don't feel like shelling out $85 on the shiny new Battle Engine, especially in the tournament setting. While I'm confident PP will ensure this thing isn't broken, I'm holding my breath, because if this does somehow imbalance the game (again, I'm sure it won't, but there's always a possibility...) I may either have to save up or just go back to 40k...

As long as they don't have some sort of extremely long range attack then I think it should be ok. You know PP wants you "in the face" of the opponent and not "sit back and lob gak" that is 40k.

Wuyley wrote: You know PP wants you "in the face" of the opponent and not "sit back and lob gak" that is 40k.

You mad bro?