Drinking at tournys

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**AgeOfEgos**

Largely, it points to how different people view a game. I consider it a social contract between two players---that are going to spend the next couple of hours of their lives (away from family/friends)---in an attempt to relax and forget how serious life can be.

In that perspective, I would have no issues putting out a smoke (Not that I do!), placing my drink aside, refraining from foul language, refraining from tasteless jokes and attempting to create an air of civility (and even---fun!). Someone asking me to place my drink aside while we play does not equate into religious bigots detonating themselves nor the holocaust. The mind boggles.

**Dashofpepper**

Manchu wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Manchu: At some irish tournaments with a bar, you would see a good few people with a pint or something beside them. Stronger stuff is not common.
I have rarely seen anyone really drunk though. Just a pint or two over the course of the day.
I can't call foul on drinking pints at an Irish tournament when no one even gets drunk. Well, can't call foul on anyone being disrespectful that is.

The US is by and large a protestant and "post-protestant" country with a national prohibition law in our not-at-all-distant past. We have a ton of people who grew up with at least the unconscious propaganda (if not the explicit condemnation of many Baptists) that alcohol is a social evil -- I'm thinking DARE and Driver's Ed. here, folks, not just someone's particular church. A helpful rule of thumb is: when you're the only one who's upset, it's unlikely that it's everyone else that has the problem. Similarly, when you're the only one who's drinking, it's not necessarily because everyone else is a prude.

I've got the same line as 76% of the poll respondants. As has been pointed out, the vocal minority are *very* vocal.

@Frazzled: BYOB was his example, not mine.

Bookwrack: You're trolling. Not even a *hint* of anything worthwhile in your post.

C'mon, how about an edit to at least *pretend* to do more than troll?

**Melissia**

Dashofpepper wrote:Now you're actually starting to piss me off. You have no idea.

And you're pissing me off.

Just because you have to get drunk to get through the day doesn't mean I should have to suffer with smelling your pisswater and dealing with your drunken behavior when all I'm trying to do is enjoy a friendly, competitive, and fun game of Warhammer 40,000.

Meh.

You want to be rude to other people, you got to expect them to be rude back. There's my rude response. I think I'm going to go back to arguing with random about how he's wrong about everything he's ever known. At least that is a bit amusing.

**WarOne**

My beliefs say it boils down to this:

Drinking is okay if the venue allows it.

If not, then there is really no argument one way or the other.

So assuming the former, if someone is okay with you drinking, that is fine.

If not, then you can do two things:

1. Be polite and not drink.
2. Be rude and drink.

This is relative towards how they treat you with your drink. If they're respectful towards you about ceasing the drinking, it puts the ball in your court if you want to stop/continue. If they are being holier-than-thou towards you, point out the venue does not stop the activity.

Again, the emphasis is is that this is a game and we are all here to have fun one way or another. Let's try to enjoy each other's company regardless of who we are or what we believe.

**Bookwrack**

Given his contributions so far, him pissing other people off means they get to suck up and deal with it, but anyone daring to say something in disagreement with him? Verboten like you wouldn't believe.

I wouldn't drink during a game because a tournament just not seem like the time or place to me. If my opponent wants to, fine, but if he's acting in a way I have a problem with, and responds to a polite request with the response Dash suggested, I'd be having a quick word with the judges about what the guidelines for booting a player would be.

Dashofpepper wrote:Bookwrack: You're trolling. Not even a *hint* of anything worthwhile in your post. C'mon, how about an edit to at least *pretend* to do more than troll?

For someone who's supposedly not trying to pick fights in this thread, you're failing miserably at not looking like you're trying to pick a fight.

**Frazzled**

Dashofpepper wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Manchu: At some irish tournaments with a bar, you would see a good few people with a pint or something beside them. Stronger stuff is not common.
I have rarely seen anyone really drunk though. Just a pint or two over the course of the day.
I can't call foul on drinking pints at an Irish tournament when no one even gets drunk. Well, can't call foul on anyone being disrespectful that is.

The US is by and large a protestant and "post-protestant" country with a national prohibition law in our not-at-all-distant past. We have a ton of people who grew up with at least the unconscious propaganda (if not the explicit condemnation of many Baptists) that alcohol is a social evil -- I'm thinking DARE and Driver's Ed. here, folks, not just someone's particular church. A helpful rule of thumb is: when you're the only one who's upset, it's unlikely that it's everyone else that has the problem. Similarly, when you're the only one who's drinking, it's not necessarily because everyone else is a prude.

I've got the same line as 76% of the poll respondants. As has been pointed out, the vocal minority are *very* vocal.

@Frazzled: BYOB was his example, not mine.

Bookwrack: You're trolling. Not even a *hint* of anything worthwhile in your post. C'mon, how about an edit to at least *pretend* to do more than troll?

I still don't see where anyone has said - drinking of any sort is bad. Now I'd call you on offering everyone in a tourney a drink, unless you knew they were over 21. Thats a idfferent situation though.

**Dashofpepper**

Melissia wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:Now you're actually starting to piss me off. You have no idea.
And you're pissing me off.

Just because you have to get drunk to get through the day doesn't mean I should have to suffer with smelling your pisswater and dealing with your drunken behavior when all I'm trying to do is enjoy a friendly, competitive, and fun game of Warhammer 40,000.

And...you're starting to piss me off too? Because you are illiterate and can't put the words that I write together in a sentence coherently? I've never advocated what you're trying to pretend that I am.

Let me try playing this game. Just because you insist on not bathing for a week before showing up at a GT and rolling around in pig filth beforehand doesn't mean that I should have to suffer smelling your intentionally inflicted body odor when all I'm trying to do is enjoy a friendly, competitive and fun game of Warhammer 40,000.

Oh...you never said that you insisted on not bathing a week before a GT? That's strange. Because I didn't say that getting drunk to get through the day is cool either. But you already KNEW that didn't you? Because I've explained that several times, haven't I? So you're really just looking to get a rise, aren't you?

And on that note...there *is* nothing productive going on here, and I'm dangerously close to getting myself in trouble because my tolerance for #*$#^# is much lower than my tolerance for alcohol. So I will bow out. ..!.. (. .) ..!..

**Polonius**

Since pointing out a poor understanding of addiction has apparently deeply offended Mr. "grow a thicker skin," already, I think I'll just point out a completely unrelated link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Specifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#DSM-IV-TR_301.81

**Melissia**

[edit: I actually intended to edit this post, but for some reason it posted it twice.

**Monster Rain**

Gah. Nevermind.

**WarOne**

Just walk away guys and gals. This is getting silly and circular.

MR- Your image is broken.

**Melissia**

Dashofpepper wrote:And...you're starting to piss me off too? Because you are illiterate and can't put the words that I write together in a sentence coherently?

You're advocating being a donkey-cave to people who ask you politely to put the beer away for a few minutes while you play a children's board game with eachother involving plastic soldiers going pew pew pew across plastic terrain at plastic fungus-people. I didn't misinterpret anything you said.

**warboss**

Melissia wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:And...you're starting to piss me off too? Because you are illiterate and can't put the words that I write together in a sentence coherently?
You're advocating being a donkey-cave to people who ask you politely to put the beer away for a few minutes while you play a children's board game with eachother involving plastic soldiers going pew pew pew across plastic terrain at plastic fungus-people. I didn't misinterpret anything you said.

Bingo. It's all about the approach and the response. That being said, Dash is at least consistent in his life view that escalating a minor disagreement to an untenable conflict is a good idea. Got to give him props for being at least being consistent in bringing a howitzer to a verbal fight.

**Monster Rain**

Dashofpepper wrote: That's strange. Because I didn't say that getting drunk to get through the day is cool either. But you already KNEW that didn't you? Because I've explained that several times, haven't I? So you're really just looking to get a rise, aren't you?

Really?

Dashofpepper wrote:Morning drinking is a little much.

My personal least favorite are people who drink the night before, or on Saturday night - such that they are hung over and in a bad mood Saturday or Sunday morning for gaming. People who are hung over are usually the least fun to play against.

I usually start drinking in the afternoon on Saturday, around game 3 after lunch (presuming there are two morning rounds). By the time the first day ends I've got a heady buzz going on, and I stop drinking, go to dinner, drink water, clear my head and am fresh for the next morning. Personally, I rarely drink on Sundays for two day events because of the travel time involved getting back home.

Some people have mentioned that drinking can make you friendlier. There's a lateral statement that holds true as well. Drinking can also raise your douche tolerance. I've seen some raging arguments at GTs. Shouting, yelling, TO interventions....I've never had to sit through any of that myself and am grateful. I *do* often have to put up with minor annoyances. People snatching up their hits instead of misses, measuring from the center or rear of their vehicles instead of the front, then not keeping consistency, eyeballing range, counting too many models under template weapons, claiming cover where none is available, denying cover when it is truly available, loose measurement, extra partial inches, accidentally bumping models into more favorable positions, doing the same to terrain, making up rules, forgetting their own rules, trying to shoot units more than once in a shooting phase....

Subjected to all this on a regular basis, I started calling minute things. Remember page numbers, quoting them, having to rules lawyer to keep people from cheating, even at the little things. These days, I realize that people who do that stuff generally don't have a bat's chance in hell of winning anyway, so I let them do it anyway unless it is egregious. Drinking raises my tolerance for having to deal with those people.

Situation: Opponent is trying to line up an assault against a unit of mine, and thinks he is about 13" away. During his movement, he does the "Measure 6", then remove the tape measure and put models roughly where the 6" mark was" trick to gain some extra distance.

Sober Dash: Dude, put your model back. That's a hell of a lot more than 6". Put your tape measure on the table, LEAVE IT THERE, and move the model up as far as you like, but not beyond the 6".
Drinking Dash: Phew! Those guys are really moving out EXTRA far this turn aren't they? I bet they smell my rum and are trying to poach it. STAY AWAY I SAY!

Situation: Opponent deep-strikes a drop pod with a dreadnought inside it next to a conga line of wyches and prepares to heavy flamer them. He places the template haphazardly, not at the flamer barrel, and doesn't hit as much of the squad as possible because he's trying to also peg their vehicle. He says, "Looks like I have 7 wyches and their raider."

Sober Dash: You mind if I double-check?
Drinking Dash: Coolio, I'll take your word for it.

Situation: Opponent is deep-striking a unit onto the table (or rolling a blast weapon, whatever), and they miss, and scatter 2d6. From eyeballing it and being pretty damned good with depth perception, I can see that the angle is going to scatter into a unit. When my opponent measures out the scatter over his unit, the direction of the tape measure is conveniently not identical to the scatter die, such that he scatters just to the side of the unit he would have mishapped on.

Sober Dash: Uh...that's not where they go. Here, let me help you. Extend your tape measure over the scatter die. Now I'm going to make my perpendicular to your own tape measure and cross your model. And finally, you take your tape measure and draw it perpendicular to mine over your model so that you are moving in the exact correct direction.
Drinking Dash: Phew, you got lucky that time. You know, it helps if you roll the scatter die by the unit - requires a lot less direction and measuring, and I'm all about easy!

I could go on and on. I've run into a *LOT* of this.

Drinking makes it easier for me to tolerate bullgak.

**Hulksmash**

Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

**warboss**

Hulksmash wrote:Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

If no one else is there to smell it, it's wasted.

**Hulksmash**

@Warboss

The noise is still pretty funny though

Suprises me everytime!!!!!

**Monster Rain**

You could always Youtube it.

I mean, they won't get the full effect but at least it won't be a complete waste.

**WarOne**

I wonder what would happen if you farted into a beer bottle, rellidded, and handed it to your friend.

Would they know what you just did, assuming you never did anything like that before?

**sharkticon**

warboss wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

If no one else is there to smell it, it's wasted.

If your concerned about that, try some food from a place called lula kabob. It's good going down, and when the gas does hit, people will be hit two rooms away. Papa Nurgle approved!

**Frazzled**

Hulksmash wrote:Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

Dude, evidently the slew of pain killers, antibiotics and soup laced dogfood Tbone was on combined in a loathsome stew such that the little bugger was a veritable farting machine Friday night and early Saturday. He made the other weiner dog Rodney run from the room several times.

**Monster Rain**

Frazzled, seriously, a video of that: a Tbone farting and the other dog getting a whiff of it and running from the room would get at >1,000,000 hits on youtube.

For serious.

**Hulksmash**

All I can say is plrease convey my word to Tbone:

"Well played sir, well played"

**Wolf 11x**

As long as a non-drinker isn't trying to take the beer from his opponent's hand to discard it, and the drinker isn't shoving alcohol in his non-drinking opponent's face, I can't see why any of this is an issue.

**sharkticon**

Wolf 11x wrote:As long as a non-drinker isn't trying to take the beer from his opponent's hand to discard it, and the drinker isn't shoving alcohol in his non-drinking opponent's face, I can't see why any of this is an issue.

you may have missed the topic switch, but this thread is now about farting.

**Ysclyth**

Hulksmash wrote:Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

I am extremely offended, could you please put your farts away. Some people here could be addicted to their own farts.

**Kaotik**

I do not agree with the wording on DoP's response he would give if asked to stop drinking. However I agree with his stance that the opponent has few options other than to request you not to drink so long as the venue allows it. They also have to realize that it is your choice to accept their request and not do it, or continue to drink. There are quite a few legit reasons given so far for people to not want you to drink in front of them. Recovering alchy, kids at table, etc. are all good reasons and myself and most others who plan to drink (maybe not Dash) would be fine with not doing it. However you having a personal issue with drinkers (which some of you clearly do) is not a good enough reason not to drink if it is allowed, and I want to have one. However refusal to play me or trying to get a TO involved when I am clearly nothing more than buzzed and well past drinking age puts that d-bag ball right in your court. Not mine.

**Frazzled**

Hulksmash wrote:All I can say is plrease convey my word to Tbone:

"Well played sir, well played"

Tbone thanks all his supporters and his human wishes to convey that he continues to recover.

**Monster Rain**

Ysclyth wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:Everyone breathe. I think the general consensus is:

Drinking is fine, don't be drunk.

The lines being drawn are silly honestly. It's the bloody internet. Every step back, break wind, and then giggle, cause you farted

I am extremely offended, could you please put your farts away. Some people here could be addicted to their own farts.

What kind of a creature derives sustenance from its own farts?

**Kilkrazy**

Now we are all farty friends again I shall lock the thread.