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Kanluwen wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:(facepalm) your looking at this the wrong way, admittedly the first point you made is valid, the second is daft and the third even more so, (no offense i just get a bit agitated sometimes)

The second and third are far from being 'daft'. More in a moment.

this has nothing to do with gameplay, think about it, in a real environment an ordainary warrior probably would only have enough room in his backpack to carry tenough ammo for the autocannons main fire mode, remembering that the rounds are described as "Fist sized" and thats not teenager fist sized or ordinary man fist sized, thats massive military man (possibly even marine) fist sized.

Since when does being a military man give you a "massive military man fist" size?

there is no way that an ordinary soldier, or even a marine would be able to carry enough ammunition to last through a fire fight with BOTH ammo types, just not possible

You neglect the concept of 'stowage space' on transports. Do you think all of that space is simply for the troops inside? There'd be housing for extra ammo, spare weapons, comms gear, etc.

sure 3x predators with ac and fittings isnt op, you pay for it, that rounds in at about 600ish points, correct me if im wrong, but a squad of havoks with 4 autocannons is just over or under 400, thus a third of the price for the same number of autocannons, and lets not count the heavy bolter sponsons here considering that infantry cant take those, otherwise this argument become who has more guns

Your argument assumes that this idea doesn't balance out Havocs with the 'new' rules in mind.
Just like Predators, Sentinels, etc aren't rebalanced with this concept rebalanced.

You're also neglecting in your argument that Predators are a smidge more y'know...survivable than 4x autocannon equipped havocs.

point one, muscle, seriously look at a soldiers fist, its huge

point two, sure but what if they diddnt have a transport, they would still have to be able to carry the ammo

point three, meh i can keep my havoks alive longer than my pred cause people see the pred and shoot it, they see my havoks and discard them as being jsut abnouther squad, ive pklayed against tournament players (only a couple of times but still) lost all my vehicles including two predators, kept my havok squad and two noise marine squads, won the game

(in one match anyway)

and sorry balanced and rebalanced? im a bit confused there


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Fetterkey wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:*facepalm* just because you dont see them doesnt mean everyone doesnt see them

Fetterkey wrote:in competitive play

*sigh* not everyone plays competitivley against the same people, i know someone who plays tau in tournaments and he has only ever lost twice,

I'm starting a separate thread for Autocannon discussion, take it over there.