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Kanluwen wrote:
More often than not the only people it helps is the person posting the "Nice job" because he's trying to bump his post count.

Please cite your statistical proof to back that statement up.

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:. Saying "Nice job" when it's a model that looks like a five year old did it and posted in the Painting and Modeling Showcase?
That's unacceptable. That is what Aerethan's entire thread is about.

And what I've been pointing out right through this thread is that people getting upset about this need to just get over the fact that someone else is receiving praise for something they personally don't believe deserves it.

Your 'looks like a 5-year-old painted it' may very well be someone else's 'nice job'... The fact that people think this is a problem just boggles the mind.

"People"(In this case I'm referring explicitly to myself, because I don't know anyone else's reasoning for why they think it's a problem) think it's a problem because there's quite a few of these that have cropped up in the Showcase and I see models of that quality every few days being sold on feeBay as "Pro-Painted".

I have no problems with people receiving praise if they don't deserve it. I find it obnoxious, however, when they post up more pieces that are the same quality and bite back at criticism saying that "Well I was already told that it was a nice job!".

Kilkrazy wrote:The admins and moderators receive on average around 1,200 complaints of various kinds per week.

We record and classify these into broad categories in order to track what sort of things are worrying people and help guide changes and improvements to the site.

To put things in perspective, here are the aggregated stats for the past six months, in ascending order.

Inappropriate sexual, scatology and swearing     1%

Sock puppets     2%

IP violations (various)     3%

Personal rudeness     3%

Misc or unclassified     3%

Racism and other “isms”     5%

Bad grammar, L33tspeke, speling, etc.     9%

Thread Necronisation     9%

Wrong Forum (my pet hate)     12%

Commenting that a model is “nice” when it isn’t     53%

I hope you can see from this what a serious problem people replying “nice job” to a “not nice job” really is!

Please, only post “nice job” if the job is, in objective fact, “nice”.

I love that the stats prove that people are giving empty compliments and that it IS a concern of the community. Where were you last night Killkrazy?

I think he was making that up, Aerethan.

Kanluwen wrote:I think he was making that up, Aerethan.

Krazy? NEVER!

Sad reflection on the state of Dakka's membership when the biggest single perceived problem is that someone says nice model when in fact it looks like Satan's buttole, no really it does it is very terrible!

Unless of course it is just Aetheran constantly hitting the panic button!

636 average complaints a week about false praise posts. It appears that while I may have made enemies in this thread, a large portion of dakka agrees with me. Or 1 person spends alot of time posting complaints(which is less likely).

To be quite honest the only thing I ever alert to the mods are incorrect topics in the tutorials section. That really grinds my gears.

I wouldn't report it as "Someone said a nice model when in reality it looks like poo!".

I'd report it as "This post seems a bit spammy and adds nothing to the thread or the OP."

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Sad reflection on the state of Dakka's membership when the biggest single perceived problem is that someone says nice model when in fact it looks like Satan's buttole, no really it does it is very terrible!

Unless of course it is just Aetheran constantly hitting the panic button!

Oddly enough I didn't know that was a valid reason to report a post! Not that I'll do it now as hunting down such posts would be a waste of time. As I said, the only thing I report is violating the tutorials rules.

I've thought about this before, but the fact is that if someone is encouraged to continue to paint, they WILL get better in time.

What DOESN'T help, is shooting new painters out of the sky the first mini they post. In most cases, I'm damn sure the new painter can clearly see the difference between their crud paint-job, and a good one. While I've seen the object of this thread far more often, I don't know how many times I've seen new painters get ripped a new one, presumably because they DARE to post their less than optimal paint-jobs on this oh, most hallowed of forums.

SgtSixkilla wrote:presumably because they DARE to post their less than optimal paint-jobs on this oh, most hallowed of forums.

Didn't you know that painting forums are for Golden Daemon quality painters only?

Page 7 and people are still going on about ragging on painters.

The ENTIRE reason is for people to post CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS and not just say " nice job" when there are improvements to be made.

Kanluwen, quick I'm all out of popcorn!

lol. In that case, I should have been banned from this site long ago.

"nice job" and pro-painted are two of my most hated descriptors of paint jobs. they are rarely if ever accurate. I just purchased a heated ultrasonice cleaner for real cheap, just to clean all the pro-painted models I get off of eBay. When I see pro-painted I know that I am going to be able to win the auction for far less than a unpainted model.

Here's a tip, pro is short for professional. That means the quality is good enough to sell and make a living at it.

theunicorn wrote:"nice job" and pro-painted are two of my most hated descriptors of paint jobs. they are rarely if ever accurate. I just purchased a heated ultrasonice cleaner for real cheap, just to clean all the pro-painted models I get off of eBay. When I see pro-painted I know that I am going to be able to win the auction for far less than a unpainted model.

Here's a tip, pro is short for professional. That means the quality is good enough to sell and make a living at it.

I find these more humorous now than irritating. I'm sure if i still sold a lot on ebay like i used to it would get to me more.

aerethan wrote:Page 7 and people are still going on about ragging on painters.

The ENTIRE reason is for people to post CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS and not just say " nice job" when there are improvements to be made.

Kanluwen, quick I'm all out of popcorn!

It seems to me, from reading 100s (perhaps 1000s) of threads on the painting & modeling board, that very very few of the people on this site who posts criticism are capable of making it constructive. When that's the case, hollow praise is more constructive than trolling.

theunicorn wrote:

Here's a tip, pro is short for professional. That means the quality is good enough to sell and make a living at it.

No, actually, it doesn't. It often simply means you get paid for it:

"Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs b : having a particular profession as a permanent career c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return"

Professional level does NOT require or assume quality in all circumstances.

Platuan4th wrote:

theunicorn wrote:

Here's a tip, pro is short for professional. That means the quality is good enough to sell and make a living at it.

No, actually, it doesn't. It often simply means you get paid for it:

"Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs b : having a particular profession as a permanent career c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return"

Professional level does NOT require or assume quality in all circumstances.

Very true.

Many pro-sports personalities are crap at what they do, but they're still professionals, because they get paid to do what they do.

"Pro-Painted" is still a VERY much-abused expression, though.

SgtSixkilla wrote:I've thought about this before, but the fact is that if someone is encouraged to continue to paint, they WILL get better in time.

What DOESN'T help, is shooting new painters out of the sky the first mini they post. In most cases, I'm damn sure the new painter can clearly see the difference between their crud paint-job, and a good one. While I've seen the object of this thread far more often, I don't know how many times I've seen new painters get ripped a new one, presumably because they DARE to post their less than optimal paint-jobs on this oh, most hallowed of forums.

If you see a new painter get ripped a new one, then report the person doing it. It's abusive behavior, and is not be tolerated here on Dakka.

Bear in mind though that saying "It looks like you need to thin your paints to get a better finish" or "Did you prime your model? There's spots of bare plastic/metal/resin showing, so I don't think you did. I'd highly advise you to, since it is an important step that helps give your paints a better surface to 'cling' to." or even "Your paint job is nice, but you really should drill out your bolters and clean up the really obvious moldlines all over the model. I suggest using a pin vice for the bolter barrels, and a sharp hobby knife for the moldlines." isn't 'ripping them a new one'. That's called constructive criticism.

aerethan wrote:Page 7 and people are still going on about ragging on painters.

The ENTIRE reason is for people to post CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS and not just say " nice job" when there are improvements to be made.

Page 7, and people are still insisting that criticism should be required when it's not.

If you wish to leave constructive criticism, by all means go for broke.
If you wish to just commend the painter for his effort, that's fine too.

If someone leaves a comment that they think a mini is good and you disagree, that's not the end of the world. Everybody has different standards, and a different impression of what constitutes 'good'.

The forum isn't just here for people to learn how to improve... it's also a venue for people to share what they've been doing, whether they want to improve or not. There is no requirement to improve, nor any sort of minimum standard required.

Since this is just going around in circles at this point, I think we're done here.