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Darkn you have a good point and yes as TO's we see it as critisim and not malicous in nature but I havd found over the years that I need to be ready for the trolls that will blow what is asaid out of perportion. I will most likely give them a year lor two and wait and see how it goes. If things are sounding on the up I will give it another chance, but if not then it is what it is. Sorry for any typos as I am on the phone doing this.

Empchild -reading about the calls being made against you, the judge got the SR one right - from your post it sounds like you didnt declare all shooting with the unit at the same time, but fully resolved the shot THEN declared where the machine spirit was going. This is technically incorrect, as all shooting from one unit is simultaneous.

This could just be the way you wrote it, of course

nosferatu1001 wrote:Empchild -reading about the calls being made against you, the judge got the SR one right - from your post it sounds like you didnt declare all shooting with the unit at the same time, but fully resolved the shot THEN declared where the machine spirit was going. This is technically incorrect, as all shooting from one unit is simultaneous.

This could just be the way you wrote it, of course

I think the argument was more about the judging not if he called the split fire or not its how the judge handled the call.

thanks!

Chin you are correct and nos you are grabbing at shadows budy. I had declared everything what the judge wanted was for me too stay on the downed ship and not be able to machine spirit anything else. The judge constantly kept comming over and would go against his own rulings and it was out of angst. The judge told me I was being a prick to the kid for calling him out on cheating on several occassions. In the end that was placed in there too show more the angst from my end over the poor judging overall.

Empchild wrote:Darkn you have a good point and yes as TO's we see it as critisim and not malicous in nature but I havd found over the years that I need to be ready for the trolls that will blow what is asaid out of perportion. I will most likely give them a year lor two and wait and see how it goes. If things are sounding on the up I will give it another chance, but if not then it is what it is. Sorry for any typos as I am on the phone doing this.

Emp,

You can ask Jay and Crimthan on the feedback I gave them last year and how much I raised on their boards. They worked with a lot of people and different personalities to try to make this years event better which I think they did. The event will be ever changing though that is for sure and they do have open ears.

I had a blast and was already bouncing ideas off of the persons I was driving home with for an army next year.

Thanks to all the people that helped run the singles tourney

Empchild wrote:Chin you are correct and nos you are grabbing at shadows budy. I had declared everything what the judge wanted was for me too stay on the downed ship and not be able to machine spirit anything else. The judge constantly kept comming over and would go against his own rulings and it was out of angst. The judge told me I was being a prick to the kid for calling him out on cheating on several occassions. In the end that was placed in there too show more the angst from my end over the poor judging overall.

Also curious about your blog feedback.

"comp: This is a contraversal issue for many, and I personally have no issue with comp at a tourney... if it's done right. Initially we had a rubric we had too go off of that was out of 80, I personally score 70 pts (I took a untooled pure close combat falchions gk army). After this initially submitted rubric that we knew what our score would be the judges would grant up too an additional 30 points of comp. The problem was this was a blind comp decision and they refused too even state how they graded it. I personally recieved an additional 10 points, while another grey knight player took 30 for a full 110pts. He was a local....hrmmmmm but when I asked one of the judges he argued with me saying no GK player recieved max comp. I offered to show him on the list they posted but he refused to look and keep telling me I was wrong. The judges also refused when asked to at least explain to us how they graded the blind comp portion. This pissed a lot of players off and there was many grumbles."

Final results and scores are here: http://www.daboyzgt.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=K5rg1VCnUgM%3d&tabid=96&mid=468

Only 2 armies out of 91 received 30 judged comp, despite what you said in your blog. One Tau army (not local) and one CSM army (not local). There were 2 local GK players and I was one of them, scoring an 80+ 18. I took an inquisitor (no grenades, no psycannon) with a henchman unit that had acolytes, servitors, jokaero, assassins, and crusaders. Can you point out which GK player scored full comp as you claimed in the blog?

The only real problem was organizational (and I was led to believe there was a buffet!), which can be handled for next year.

When I went to the DaBoyz GT 2 years ago, it had no fantasy segment running at the same time, and was like 40 people less.... so organizational problems were probably much less noticable then.

The missions were fine for the most part, though the hot potatoes mission was a bit dumb... immobilized land raider turn 1 with an objective thrown right next to it on turn 4... no way to move away, and too late to pick up the objective and throw it back. GRRR!!!

Empchild wrote:...I had declared everything what the judge wanted was for me too stay on the downed ship and not be able to machine spirit anything else...

I think what Nos is saying, which is implied from your post, is that the judge is correct in that all shooting from the vehicle is simultaneous. Which means if you say, I melta the Rhino, roll, pen, damage, explode you cannot now say I want to then Machine Spirit a lascannon into the Land Raider. You probably did not mean it that way, but I had the same thought when reading it.

Chris Courtney talks smack, if you do not hear the whole conversation or do not know the context it is easy to mistake what he says. That list may eat Grey Knights due to the Nightmare Shroud and Pariahs, but I have seen him play it for years now. It has slight adjustments to get the Comp score but is otherwise unchanged.

I agree with your assessment about being sure to clarify the missions so the intent is clear on each. I liked most the missions, but interpreting them could be confusing.

The most disappointing thing I have heard about this event is they allowed unpainted models to be played on the table. I am unsure how that was allowed to stand.

I'll clear up the problem with the Stormraven ruling right now, as I was the judge that has made the "controversial ruling".

Patrick (the 13 year old playing against him, not 15) walked up to me and asked "his Stormraven just blew up my vendetta with it's Multi-Melta and now he wants to use the Stormravens Assault cannon to shoot at my veterans that were in the vendetta". I walked over to the board and calmly told Emp that he cannot do that. In order to use Power of the Machine Spirit you have to declare what each weapon is going to shoot at before any dice are rolled.

For example "My Crusader's Multi-Melta is going to fire at your Chimera and my Assault Cannon is going to use PotMS to shoot at your Hydra over there" and then the dice fly. What this player wanted to do was "My stormraven is going to shoot it's multi-melta at your vendetta. Ok, now that I blew up your vendetta I am going to use PotMS to shoot my Stormraven's assault cannon at the veterans that just got out of the vendetta". That is in incorrect interpretation of the ruling and I called him out on it.

That aside I am sorry that you did not enjoy your experience at our event. Until I saw your post I have had dozens of players come up to me (including some of the most respected names in the game: Greg Sparks, Nick Rose, Wyatt, Ricky Johnson) come up to me and thank me for running a good and fun event. Am I under any illusions that it went off without a hitch? Absolutely not. I know we had hiccups with technology, pairings, and some of the missions. I will take your constructive criticism to heart and use it to continue growing DaBoyz GT.

However, I will not tolerate being accused of favoritism or cheating. I'm sorry you didn't like the ruling about your Stormraven but it was the right one. Admittedly that was the only time I went over to your table, but I can assure you that other judges wouldn't have had sided with Patrick just because he was a local, as we constantly correct him for making rule mistakes and such.

EDIT: Just to make sure that the rule was clarified for you Emp I took my ruling to Dakka as a whole. Here it is: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/406547.page

So please before you start accusing a 13 year old of cheating and favoritism among the judges please make sure that you yourself are playing the game correctly. I know that in a tournament we all get worked up and hyper and can make simply rule mistakes...so if you made this mistake perhaps give a little bit of leeway to others, especially younger kids that are the future of this gaming community.

I am assuming you are trevor so I will say this, don't come here and start a storm lieing. You came over multiple times and made comments and other snipes and went against your own rulings when asked. I personally don't care for you and your lies here and think its funny as all this is going too do is cause more contreversy. BTW Patrick was 15 he told me that so don't start saying I was picking on a 13 year old.

Here's the low and skinny of it some people will either have no issues with the event and get pissy whatever. Some of you will agree fully with me and that's fine either way. I wrote it as I personally saw it and by the conversation I had with my friends on the way home and after. Some people will try and tear apart everything stated and some will see it for the intent it was stated clearly. Take it for whatever it is and decide for yourself all around because like I said personally I will not return next year and I actually have a lot of respect for Jay on this one because I know what its like too organize events and the stress you go under doing it. My two cents and with that I leave you all to your own decisions as it is now several days after and I am done and putting this disapointing weekend behind me as I prep for SVDM and Adepticon two events I respect greatly.

Woah! Easy there cowboy! I'm Andy, not Trevor. I'm the one that wore glasses. I'm sorry if I got Patrick's age wrong. 15, 13, does it matter? The point I meant was on the one particular ruling I made on your game you were clearly wrong, so isn't it logical to assume you may or may not have been wrong on other calls? I never mean offense!

Also I'm not attacking your blog post, I was sincere when I said I would take your concerns to heart and insure Jay will as well. No one foul here. In regards to Trevor I am sorry you feel the way you do about him and if he said anything out of line I am sorry. Again it's a learning experience for new judges.

I had a blast at the tourney - I brought Grey Knights, with an 80 comp and got 12 from the Judges (Thanks, Matt Ward for giving us 2 total troop choices), and did fairly well...until some guy named Mike Mutscheller said disparaging words about my mother, and then it WAS ON. (I kid, I kid. It was a blast to play Mike, and we talked for a while afterwords). Of course, remembering the 2nd day that I had wargear that I totally forgot to use the 1st day, which would have made the difference in some games would have been more awesome.

The one downside I had that weekend was that some lady backed up into my car in the hotel parking garage. Woo.

But hanging out with friends, as well as some of the best players in the country (Shaun Kemp also took me for a ride on his Ork-Sexy-Truck) on the 2nd day, that's it's reinforced my decision to head to Adepticon - Not to merely play, but to re-connect with them and bond over our love for plastic toys.

Or hear more awesome stories about Mike's kids.

-jared

djdarknoise wrote:...Of course, remembering the 2nd day that I had wargear that I totally forgot to use the 1st day, which would have made the difference in some games would have been more awesome.

Were these those servo skulls I asked about in game 5? Had a great game playing you, Daemons vs. GK the way it should be! Hope the insurance stuff worked out for you, those parking garages can be confusing, I prefer to back down them at 15 mph...

Jared, maybe you will learn that parking garages are dangerous places too be driving! How was the drive home for you btw? BTW I loved the 25 minutes we spent waiting on our frostees at wendys.

Hi

Regarding the software, it was the stuff used at the Warmaster's Challenge. We have run a 66 man singles event without a single problem. It normally just takes the click of a button to make it work, and we have never had the problem that was occurring (producing matchups that had already occured, forcing manual checking and changes).

Unfortunately, its designer wasn't down for the weekend, or we could have probably fixed it right after it first occurred after round three.

I don't know what went wrong, but I apologize to Jay, the rest of the organizing team, and everyone that was standing around for an issue that arose from our program. Point the blame for that issue at us.

Cheers,
Nate

calypso2ts wrote:

djdarknoise wrote:...Of course, remembering the 2nd day that I had wargear that I totally forgot to use the 1st day, which would have made the difference in some games would have been more awesome.

Were these those servo skulls I asked about in game 5? Had a great game playing you, Daemons vs. GK the way it should be! Hope the insurance stuff worked out for you, those parking garages can be confusing, I prefer to back down them at 15 mph...

I seriously am the best GK player ever. I should get max sportsmanship for gimping myself the entire tournament.


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Empchild wrote:Jared, maybe you will learn that parking garages are dangerous places too be driving! How was the drive home for you btw? BTW I loved the 25 minutes we spent waiting on our frostees at wendys.

Worth every penny.

Drive home was good, Rochester is a straight shot down 90. Although, I got pulled over. For *NOT* speeding.

I think next time I'm just going to fly. Or take a bus. Or fly a bus.

I got a ticket on 90 for not speeding once too.... I was going 65 in the left lane for too long, and someone sped past me on the right. Cop pulled me over and said that lane is for passing only, and because I blocked the other guy from passing me in it, I got a ticket.

Later I realized that nobody could legally pass me anyway, so I shouldn't have gotten a ticket :(

Horst wrote:I got a ticket on 90 for not speeding once too.... I was going 65 in the left lane for too long, and someone sped past me on the right. Cop pulled me over and said that lane is for passing only, and because I blocked the other guy from passing me in it, I got a ticket.

Later I realized that nobody could legally pass me anyway, so I shouldn't have gotten a ticket :(

Nah, not really, they have that lane designated as "passing only", so even when driving the speed limit you're supposed to be in the right lane, only moving to the left to pass.

Now, whether it's still a stupid, stupid rule is up for debate..

well yea, but the fact is it would be illegal for anyone to pass me ANYWAY, because I was going the posted speed limit.

So, the cop ignored the guy who blew past me at 80, and gave me a ticket instead. Lovely!

On an interstate you can excellerate up to 15 mph over the posted speed limit too pass somone as long as you return within 5 mph of the speed limit within 150ft, ergo it is legal . Several of my friends are state police and showed me the law on it since I was curious.

hyv3mynd wrote:I took an inquisitor (no grenades, no psycannon) with a henchman unit that had acolytes, servitors, jokaero, assassins, and crusaders. Can you point out which GK player scored full comp as you claimed in the blog?

Aaron, it's Paul, we met up round #3. Your GK's against my IG. What a chess match down to the wire. As I recall, no one wanted to make that first move. Sure enough, turn 4, here comes your Storm Raven rocketing over to contest my objective. It took two full turns with everything I had to bring it down but fortunately I did and held onto the draw. Great game! Hopefully we'll run into each other again.

Best,
Paul

It was a close game Paul. It would be interesting to see what would have happened if we both didn't make epic errors or run out of time. Between you forgetting 9 plasma shots and me forgetting fortitude on the stormraven, the game could have gone very differently for sure.

I'm sure we'll cross paths again sometime for a rematch, perhaps Tennessee next year if the dicehead guys run the ATC again and if I make the local team.

Wish Paul forget his plasma against my paladins, that was a sea of hurt....

This has to be Josh! Another epic match! The best one I had in recent memory. That game was insane and if it wasn't for your failed morale check, who knows? My game against Aaron had quite a few things going on for both of us and we were overcome in thought. So much so that we short changed ourselves.

Both games were hard fought as you both are very good players! A pleasure meeting you both.

Paul

NotThisTime wrote:This has to be Josh! Another epic match! The best one I had in recent memory. That game was insane and if it wasn't for your failed morale check, who knows? My game against Aaron had quite a few things going on for both of us and we were overcome in thought. So much so that we short changed ourselves.

Both games were hard fought as you both are very good players! A pleasure meeting you both.

Paul

Don't worry Paul you will soon reach the stars

Nick, enjoy the moment, for it will indeed be short lived.

NotThisTime wrote:Nick, enjoy the moment, for it will indeed be short lived.

Sniff Sniff... Do I smell a challenge for leadership of the clan!

Well I had a great game against Paul round 5. He absolutely wiped the floor with me but I pulled a hard matchup against a very very nasty list (damn you colossus!) and a very awesome opponent. Great to meet you Paul and hope to see you next year