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alarmingrick wrote:Fraz, what exactly do zoot suits have to do with Shaft & digging it?
Nice one by the way. Calling ME a racist.
Isn't it hard to call anyone a racist without knowing the intent and/or context of the message/action?
No. People do that all the time. It is in fact, I think, the opposite of hard, and one of the reasons it gets bandied about so often.
OK you're right, but accurately describing something as racist you still need to be aware of the context and intent right? Like describing a racial stereotype doesn't make my comment necessarily racist
unless I truly believed in that stereotype or was trying to convince others that it was true then it would be racist.
Isn't context and intent important even if we aren't discussing racism? Intent is problematic though becuase it is difficult to ascertain, people can be ignorant, and they also lie; context is easier to get a clearer view of. Someone can constantly make jokes about the president loving KFC and then be offended that you find that constant line of jokes offensive, but because they think it is ok becuase they are ignorant, so the intent isn't there (or they could be and when caught are lieing about it) but the context points to casual racism. 4chan is a good example of ignorance and casual racism as well. I can't explain that one more fully without violating all sorts of rules.
That sounds better than what I said, I'll keep that in mind when interpreting one's action or message as being racist or not.
Frazzled wrote:You brought up unfounded racist viewpoints.
I wouldn't say they were unfounded. Your statement wasn't KKK racist, but it was certainly not well thought out and certainly only alluded to the President through ethic things (Blaxplotation and Zoot suits) while having a white guy slap him. Overt racism? Nah. Unintentional, thoughtless racism? Eh, maybe just a little.
Zoot suits are Hispanic in origin. Different ethnic group, so not appropriate on the racist charge. Besides they are epic cool, and would be a real treat in contrast to the usual starched shirt. Obama could pull off a nehru jacket most excellently, but it would be too mellow. As noted, we're trying to liven things up.
Altnerantively, to go with the spy vs. spy theme, we could go with Romney as a Pirate (Bain Capital after all) and Obama as a ninja.
You do realize I said 'ethnic' and not black right? Even still I don't buy that argument. I understand your need to distance yourself and spin your original statement, but try not to lie so badly to do so. If you want to try and do it by pretending zoot suits were only latino, you might want to do more homework, as it may have origins there but was also very popular in Harlem and other black areas and shown as such in film and other popular media. One of the most famous examples of a zoot suit, is Cab Calloway, who is not latino. Well, second most famous.
Really? The only references I had of it was when I was in LA and here and it was strictly hispanic. Learn something every day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_suit
Can we modify nad just have Bill Clinton moderate the debate with Hillary surprising everyone by appearing, slapping Bill, and throwing a blue dress in his face?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Though, really, we need to resurrect Rodney Dangerfield for this task. Or at least to make him moderate a Bachmann/Palin debate.
No, wait, Garrison Keillor, we can call it Folksoff 2012.
Agreed, Keillor would be ok, but then everyohne would get along and we might get something accomplished. Can't have that bully!
How about Lewis Black and Ron White as moderators, with Scotch and cigars on tap?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The dearly departed Christopher Hitchens would also serve. Though it would just be 30 minutes of him pillorying the pair, not that I have a problem with such an event.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Frazzled wrote:Can we modify nad just have Bill Clinton moderate the debate with Hillary surprising everyone by appearing, slapping Bill, and throwing a blue dress in his face?
Your choice of Moderators is confusing. Why not have Bush Jr. trying to open doors to questions that don't open and his pops can puke all over everyone.
It's your groups circular firing squad. why do you want to drag Dems into it?
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
alarmingrick wrote:Your choice of Moderators is confusing. Why not have Bush Jr. trying to open doors to questions that don't open and his pops can puke all over everyone.
It's your groups circular firing squad. why do you want to drag Dems into it?
Is it worse to try to open a locked door or to walk into a window in your house?
Spoiler:
Also, I believe the subject was a potential Obama-Romney debate.
alarmingrick wrote:Your choice of Moderators is confusing. Why not have Bush Jr. trying to open doors to questions that don't open and his pops can puke all over everyone.
It's your groups circular firing squad. why do you want to drag Dems into it?
Is it worse to try to open a locked door or to walk into a window in your house?
Spoiler:
Also, I believe the subject was a potential Obama-Romney debate.
Ah, but see, you're drawing a Dem into your groups little "Who's Prettier" contest.
You'll have time to play Obama jokes once you figure out who you're sending to the big show.
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
biccat wrote:
Is it worse to try to open a locked door or to walk into a window in your house?
Spoiler:
I imagine its worse to try to walk into a window, as I have tried to open a locked door in my own house on several occasions.
Also, the object depicted in the linked image is clearly a door. There is a window in said door, but criticism regarding any attempt to walk into it would follow from simply having a window in a door that any person might use.
If not having windows in doors a new conservative talking point?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Frazzled wrote:You brought up unfounded racist viewpoints.
I wouldn't say they were unfounded. Your statement wasn't KKK racist, but it was certainly not well thought out and certainly only alluded to the President through ethic things (Blaxplotation and Zoot suits) while having a white guy slap him. Overt racism? Nah. Unintentional, thoughtless racism? Eh, maybe just a little.
Zoot suits are Hispanic in origin. Different ethnic group, so not appropriate on the racist charge. Besides they are epic cool, and would be a real treat in contrast to the usual starched shirt. Obama could pull off a nehru jacket most excellently, but it would be too mellow. As noted, we're trying to liven things up.
Altnerantively, to go with the spy vs. spy theme, we could go with Romney as a Pirate (Bain Capital after all) and Obama as a ninja.
You know what Fraz? Why not come out and say what you mean? You say just enough to have 2 pages of back pedalling.
That's part of the problem with alot of things. Noone saying what they mean, and everyone else assumes. I'm not going to
label you. you know what you meant. you say Zoot instead of pimp. close enough to make the point. If you want to make fun
of Obama, why not go after the ears or teleprompter? you guys have miles of that shtick.
you need to re-evaluate how you really feel. Or maybe learn how to say it anyway.
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
Frazzled wrote:Can we modify nad just have Bill Clinton moderate the debate with Hillary surprising everyone by appearing, slapping Bill, and throwing a blue dress in his face?
Your choice of Moderators is confusing. Why not have Bush Jr. trying to open doors to questions that don't open and his pops can puke all over everyone.
It's your groups circular firing squad. why do you want to drag Dems into it?
Because the charge was to make this interesting. Duh! A debate moderation board of Ron White, Lewis Black, and Bill Clinton would be interesting.
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alarmingrick wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:You brought up unfounded racist viewpoints.
I wouldn't say they were unfounded. Your statement wasn't KKK racist, but it was certainly not well thought out and certainly only alluded to the President through ethic things (Blaxplotation and Zoot suits) while having a white guy slap him. Overt racism? Nah. Unintentional, thoughtless racism? Eh, maybe just a little.
Zoot suits are Hispanic in origin. Different ethnic group, so not appropriate on the racist charge. Besides they are epic cool, and would be a real treat in contrast to the usual starched shirt. Obama could pull off a nehru jacket most excellently, but it would be too mellow. As noted, we're trying to liven things up.
Altnerantively, to go with the spy vs. spy theme, we could go with Romney as a Pirate (Bain Capital after all) and Obama as a ninja.
You know what Fraz? Why not come out and say what you mean? You say just enough to have 2 pages of back pedalling.
That's part of the problem with alot of things. Noone saying what they mean, and everyone else assumes. I'm not going to
label you. you know what you meant. you say Zoot instead of pimp. close enough to make the point. If you want to make fun
of Obama, why not go after the ears or teleprompter? you guys have miles of that shtick.
you need to re-evaluate how you really feel. Or maybe learn how to say it anyway.
Any comparison of Zoot suits and pimps suits is just pathetic, and frankly unAmerican. It reeks of...Frenchness. I sense a disturbance in the force like the voices of a thousand cholos crying out at once. Watch out for lowriders when you step out the door next steenking gringo!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
biccat wrote: Is it worse to try to open a locked door or to walk into a window in your house?
Spoiler:
I imagine its worse to try to walk into a window, as I have tried to open a locked door in my own house on several occasions.
Having walked into at least one window, I can attest to the truthiness of this comment.
dogma wrote:Also, the object depicted in the linked image is clearly a door. There is a window in said door, but criticism regarding any attempt to walk into it would follow from simply having a window in a door that any person might use.
If you'll notice, the door is actually a few steps to the right. It's the one with hinges. Look at Ahtman's second picture. The Grand Poobah of Socialism walked into the smaller "window" (or what we Conservatives would call a window, presumably you would call this a door since you can't open it, can't walk through it, and it doesn't provide egress between the interior and exterior of a domicile) to the right of the "door" (again, what we Conservatives would call a door, presumably this is a Llama to liberals).
dogma wrote:If not having windows in doors a new conservative talking point?
Is windows not having hinges a new liberal talking point?
Piston Honda wrote:Newt? Why would I trust the future of this country into the hands of a guy who left his wife... with cancer? He is a disgusting human being.
You might want to check your facts. I'm just sayin'.
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I hate walking into windows or doors equally. Frankly I hate walking into any object than a waterfall of chocolate.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
So, Mitt beats Santorum in Iowa by 8 votes. Mitt spent almost 0 time in Iowa, and Santorum is just the latest "not Mitt" candidate. Santorum spent all of the campaign so far in Iowa. There is no doubt in my mind now that Rommney is the Repub candidate.
No way Santorum has the money, stamina, or support in the other cauacus states. I would be shocked if he wins anything after this.
On the other hand, Paul got a respectiable 21% and third place. I don;t think he will win any states, but I would not be surprised if he consistently gets 20% or so in all the states. Too bad for him it is a winner takes all primary system for Repubs.
Final bit of "Random Internet guy" punditry, Romney has still been unable to get more than 25% of Republican voters to support him in polls and caucuses. I will be interested to see how well the party can rally aroudn the candidate, or if this guy will be a dud candidate that can''t even rally his own base.
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dogma wrote:Also, the object depicted in the linked image is clearly a door. There is a window in said door, but criticism regarding any attempt to walk into it would follow from simply having a window in a door that any person might use.
Wow, he was somewhat unfamiliar with the layout of a 132 room mansion, specifically place he had only been in for, I hazard to say, less than a dozen hours or so, since the date on that article is Jan 28th, 2009th.
I look forward to your resurrection of Mustardgate next.
Just 5 more years of this sort of bottom of the barrel conservative scraping to look forward to.
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Forget Kenya. Never mind the secret madrassas. The sinister, shocking truth about Barack Obama’s past lies not in east Africa, but in outer space. As a young man in the early 1980s, Obama was part of a secret CIA project to explore Mars. The future president teleported there, along with the future head of Darpa.
.... your politicians are so much more interesting than ours.
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Well, they are Americans, so they are bound to be more interesting right?
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Forget Kenya. Never mind the secret madrassas. The sinister, shocking truth about Barack Obama’s past lies not in east Africa, but in outer space. As a young man in the early 1980s, Obama was part of a secret CIA project to explore Mars. The future president teleported there, along with the future head of Darpa.
.... your politicians are so much more interesting than ours.
The sad part is the amount of people in the comments section that actually believe it or something similarly crazy is true.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't see any way that it's not Romney's nomination.
Truthfully, I think he has the best chance of actually winning the general election. I don't think it's a great chance but it's better then any of the other candidates, some of which are truly, epically clownshoes. Rick Santorum, my goodness. How far the party done fallen.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Ouze wrote:I don't see any way that it's not Romney's nomination.
Truthfully, I think he has the best chance of actually winning the general election. I don't think it's a great chance but it's better then any of the other candidates, some of which are truly, epically clownshoes. Rick Santorum, my goodness. How far the party done fallen.
Not a good chance? Even without the official endorsement, Romney is -1.6 vs. Obama, which is likely within the margin of error.
I appreciate the misguided assumption by so many that Obama is "safe" in 2012. Must be why he expects to spend a billion dollars (mostly Wall Street money, like last t ime) to get re-elected.
