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Rented Tritium wrote:Bachmann, Perry and Cain all got into the race because God told them to.
God is high fiving someone over this hilarious joke right now.
The anti God crowd is strong this morning.
Total BS, but even if we assumed that:
Is it better to run because God told you too, or run because your ego is so incredibly over developed you think you are capable, indeed the best choice, to run the the most powerful country in the free world?
You're asking if I'd prefer a narcissist or a lunatic.
Narcissist, any day of the week. Twice on Sundays.
Actually its a lunatic or a lunatic.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Rented Tritium wrote:Bachmann, Perry and Cain all got into the race because God told them to.
God is high fiving someone over this hilarious joke right now.
The anti God crowd is strong this morning.
Total BS, but even if we assumed that:
Is it better to run because God told you too, or run because your ego is so incredibly over developed you think you are capable, indeed the best choice, to run the the most powerful country in the free world?
You're asking if I'd prefer a narcissist or a lunatic.
Narcissist, any day of the week. Twice on Sundays.
Actually its a lunatic or a lunatic.
I dont actually understand a thing that sea said there.
You can believe in God without being a narcissist, and you can believe you are intelligent enough to be president without being a lunatic.
Or vice versa.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
So you're saying individuals who run for president should actively believe they aren't the best choice for the job? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't particularly want a president who doesn't believe he can do the job. For that matter, I don't particularly want a janitor who doesn't think he can do the job.
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mattyrm wrote:
I dont actually understand a thing that sea said there.
You can believe in God without being a narcissist, and you can believe you are intelligent enough to be president without being a lunatic.
Or vice versa.
I didn't keep the options in their respective order.
Believing God told you to run for president - lunatic.
Believing you're the best choice to run the country - narcissist.
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I think anyone who thinks they are the best choice to head the United States government is indeed runing with the proverbial Napoleon Complex thanks.
Since no proff whatsoever has been put up that Santorum believes God told him to run, then your point is not only irrelevant, its not appropriate.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote:I think anyone who thinks they are the best choice to head the United States government is indeed runing with the proverbial Napoleon Complex thanks.
Since no proff whatsoever has been put up that Santorum believes God told him to run, then your point is not only irrelevant, its not appropriate.
You were the one who asked the question, not me.
And, for what it's worth, Santorum has repeatedly said he believes US civil codes should be brought into accordance with Biblical law. It's a little more relevant than you'd care to admit, I think.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Seaward wrote:You were the one who asked the question, not me.
Actually now. There were multiple statements made that he somehow was told by God to run for the Presidency. Evidently being evangelical means you're free game to attack without any support whatsoever.
And, for what it's worth, Santorum has repeatedly said he believes US civil codes should be brought into accordance with Biblical law. It's a little more relevant than you'd care to admit, I think.
He may have (I don't know) . And some people will look at that. Others will click the "not Obama" button for "is Obama" button.
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AustonT wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Melissia wrote: legalization of marijuana come to mind.
I didn't know Holder was a Republican. Thats news.
And bedonkidonk.
But you still have yet to produce a source.
Source for what?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Well, I think I would make an excellent President and I'm not a narcissist.
My missus said I was once, but I think I heard her wrong because I wasn't really listening.
I was staring at my perfect form in the tin coffee pot...
What am I with her for anyway!? I am an exquisite specimen! I should be riding on a jet-ski in Barbados with a fething victoria's secret model!
SHE'S RUINING MY PERFECT LIFE!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote: Well, I think I would make an excellent President and I'm not a narcissist.
My missus said I was once, but I think I heard her wrong because I wasn't really listening.
I was staring at my perfect form in the tin coffee pot...
What am I with her for anyway!? I am an exquisite specimen! I should be riding on a jet-ski in Barbados with a fething victoria's secret model!
SHE'S RUINING MY PERFECT LIFE!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Believing God told you to run for president - lunatic.
Believing you're the best choice to run the country - narcissist.
This was a joke though right? I mean, I said Vice versa.. Its wrong whichever way you slice it!
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Believing God told you to run for president - lunatic.
Believing you're the best choice to run the country - narcissist.
This was a joke though right? I mean, I said Vice versa.. Its wrong whichever way you slice it!
It wasn't, no. Hearing voices that tell you to do things is - and I don't have my DSM handy, so I'm going from memory - a sign of pretty severe mental illness.
Believing God told you to run for president - lunatic.
Believing you're the best choice to run the country - narcissist.
This was a joke though right? I mean, I said Vice versa.. Its wrong whichever way you slice it!
It wasn't, no. Hearing voices that tell you to do things is - and I don't have my DSM handy, so I'm going from memory - a sign of pretty severe mental illness.
As is thinking your Napoleon.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Literally believing yourself to be Napoleon? Sure.
Good news though, guys; it turns out this whole topic is moot. Pat Robertson had a chat with God, and God told him who wins the election. The catch is, he's not allowed to tell us.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Seaward wrote:You were the one who asked the question, not me.
Actually now. There were multiple statements made that he somehow was told by God to run for the Presidency. Evidently being evangelical means you're free game to attack without any support whatsoever.
Go back and read. Bachmann, Cain and Perry said god told them to run. Nobody ever said that santorum made that claim.
Bachmann Cain and perry really did, btw, loudly and in front of a lot of people say that god had literally told them to run for president.
Seaward wrote:You were the one who asked the question, not me.
Actually now. There were multiple statements made that he somehow was told by God to run for the Presidency. Evidently being evangelical means you're free game to attack without any support whatsoever.
Go back and read. Bachmann, Cain and Perry said god told them to run. Nobody ever said that santorum made that claim.
Bachmann Cain and perry really did, btw, loudly and in front of a lot of people say that god had literally told them to run for president.
I lived in Missouri. Show me.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Seaward wrote:
It wasn't, no. Hearing voices that tell you to do things is - and I don't have my DSM handy, so I'm going from memory - a sign of pretty severe mental illness.
Yes, but you simply said "believing in God" not "actually think you have full blown conversations with a magical man in the sky" or id fething agree with you!
The overwhelming majority of people that believe in God aren't mentally ill, and I know a few devout Catholics, none of whom say they have conversations with their maker.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote: Yes, but you simply said "believing in God" not "actually think you have full blown conversations with a magical man in the sky" or id fething agree with you!
Someone say Magic Man?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2 issues with Santorum. Energize the base, and Moderates/Independents
Energize the base: An energized base is a very valuable political asset in the general election. In the primaries an overcharged base will often result in disaster choosing an unelectable candidate. Right now the Republican base is overcharged, and the Democratic base is no longer energized. Picking a very far right candidate that scares the piss out of liberals like Santorum will energize the Democratic base, and thus negate the energized Republican base. Romney on the other hand is boring, and won't energize the Democratic base like Santorum will. The problem with Romney is the GOP base is so over charged if he win a 3rd party conservative candidate might pop up, and that will hand the election over to Obama. The choice between Santorum and Romney comes down to being completely certain to energize the Democratic base back up to where it was in 2008 when Obama won, or risk being destroyed by your own base as it throws up a 3rd party conservative candidate that splits the conservative base.
Moderates/Independents: I don't see Santorum winning many votes from these people, and they matter a lot in swing states. 527's are going to eat this guy alive over some of the comments he has made over the years. The 2 big ones are the Catholic sex abuse scandals, and Griswold versus Connecticut.
Priests raping children= "Basic homosexual act" There is a whole lot of 527 ammo when dealing with to Santorum and the Catholic sex abuse scandals.
The right to privacy="doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Where that one gets sticky is it doesn't just apply to homosexuals. He things states should have the right to ban birth control. He wants to overturn Griswold versus Connecticut, and thus allow states to ban birth control. The right to privacy of a man + a woman in their own bedroom "doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Yes he believes the government has the right to take away your condoms.
Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
Seaward wrote:
It wasn't, no. Hearing voices that tell you to do things is - and I don't have my DSM handy, so I'm going from memory - a sign of pretty severe mental illness.
Yes, but you simply said "believing in God" not "actually think you have full blown conversations with a magical man in the sky" or id fething agree with you!
The overwhelming majority of people that believe in God aren't mentally ill, and I know a few devout Catholics, none of whom say they have conversations with their maker.
No. This is the exact post I responded to:
Frazzled wrote:Is it better to run because God told you too, or run because your ego is so incredibly over developed you think you are capable, indeed the best choice, to run the the most powerful country in the free world?
My response was, to paraphrase, "You're asking me to choose between a lunatic and a narcissist, and I'll take the narcissist."
schadenfreude wrote:The right to privacy="doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Where that one gets sticky is it doesn't just apply to homosexuals. He things states should have the right to ban birth control. He wants to overturn Griswold versus Connecticut, and thus allow states to ban birth control. The right to privacy of a man + a woman in their own bedroom "doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Yes he believes the government has the right to take away your condoms.
I think he's right. There is no "right to privacy" in the US Constitution.
The "right to privacy" can only be found in the emanations from the penumbra of the Bill of Rights (or maybe it's penumbras from the emanations?). That's slang for "It's not there but dangit it should be."
Seaward wrote:
It wasn't, no. Hearing voices that tell you to do things is - and I don't have my DSM handy, so I'm going from memory - a sign of pretty severe mental illness.
Yes, but you simply said "believing in God" not "actually think you have full blown conversations with a magical man in the sky" or id fething agree with you!
The overwhelming majority of people that believe in God aren't mentally ill, and I know a few devout Catholics, none of whom say they have conversations with their maker.
No. This is the exact post I responded to:
Frazzled wrote:Is it better to run because God told you too, or run because your ego is so incredibly over developed you think you are capable, indeed the best choice, to run the the most powerful country in the free world?
My response was, to paraphrase, "You're asking me to choose between a lunatic and a narcissist, and I'll take the narcissist."
Oh alright, Ill just be over here shutting the feth up then.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
schadenfreude wrote:The right to privacy="doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Where that one gets sticky is it doesn't just apply to homosexuals. He things states should have the right to ban birth control. He wants to overturn Griswold versus Connecticut, and thus allow states to ban birth control. The right to privacy of a man + a woman in their own bedroom "doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution" Yes he believes the government has the right to take away your condoms.
I think he's right. There is no "right to privacy" in the US Constitution.
The "right to privacy" can only be found in the emanations from the penumbra of the Bill of Rights (or maybe it's penumbras from the emanations?). That's slang for "It's not there but dangit it should be."
Does the 4th amendment guarantee a right to privacy? The answer is an endless circle jerk of debate on constitutional law, so let's not go there and just agree to disagree.
Let's go somewhere else instead. We all know a pro life Republican can win elections. What hasn't been tried in a very long time is a candidate that is not only pro life, but actually says he wants to give states the right to ban birth control. Do you really think a candidate that wants to outlaw birth control can actually win enough female votes in a key swing states to win a general election? If the answer is no they a Santorum win in the primaries is an Obama win in the general.
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Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
schadenfreude wrote:Does the 4th amendment guarantee a right to privacy? The answer is an endless circle jerk of debate on constitutional law, so let's not go there and just agree to disagree.
Nope.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
You might be able to argue that there is one according to the 9th or 14th Amendments, but you're not going to find a privacy right in the 4th.
schadenfreude wrote:Let's go somewhere else instead. We all know a pro life Republican can win elections. What hasn't been tried in a very long time is a candidate that is not only pro life, but actually says he wants to give states the right to ban birth control. Do you really think a candidate that wants to outlaw birth control can actually win enough female votes in a key swing states to win a general election? If the answer is no they a Santorum win in the primaries is an Obama win in the general.
I'm not convinced Santorum wants to outlaw birth control. The only link you've provided is an argument that states should have the ability to ban birth control. It's a big difference.
You obviously think that the government couldn't prohibit the purchase of birth control. Could the government mandate the purchase of birth control?
I heard a fantastic quote this morning on GMA. not exact but something to the tune of:
I don't get why Santorum is so opposed to gay marriage. Married people become Republicans so I want as man people to be married as possible.
Clearly there are some issues wit his analysis, but it's a good argument FROM a Republican TO a Republican supporting an unpopular stance the Pachyderms should probably abandon.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
biccat wrote:I'm not convinced Santorum wants to outlaw birth control. The only link you've provided is an argument that states should have the ability to ban birth control. It's a big difference.
You obviously think that the government couldn't prohibit the purchase of birth control. Could the government mandate the purchase of birth control?
Rick Santorum wrote:One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country...Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.
Rick Santorum wrote:One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country...Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.
Here's the thing...just because someone thinks X is bad doesn't mean that they want to ban X. Well, for Republicans at least.
I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility - Santorum is basically a religious liberal when it comes to government expansion - but you haven't shown what the article purports, namely that Santorum is "coming for your birth control."
Rick Santorum wrote:One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country...Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.
Here's the thing...just because someone thinks X is bad doesn't mean that they want to ban X. Well, for Republicans at least.
I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility - Santorum is basically a religious liberal when it comes to government expansion - but you haven't shown what the article purports, namely that Santorum is "coming for your birth control."
Indeed. I am personally against abortion. However, as government policy I'm 100% current policy. Further, I would like to submit a list of names for retroactive abortions...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Seaward wrote:You were the one who asked the question, not me.
Actually now. There were multiple statements made that he somehow was told by God to run for the Presidency. Evidently being evangelical means you're free game to attack without any support whatsoever.
Go back and read. Bachmann, Cain and Perry said god told them to run. Nobody ever said that santorum made that claim.
Bachmann Cain and perry really did, btw, loudly and in front of a lot of people say that god had literally told them to run for president.
