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Here in Richmond, it was the same as seeing any other movie at any other time. I didn't notice any guards -- but of course that's how I would want it to be run if I was in charge of the theater! Nothing stupid, like airport type security checks.
Here in Richmond, it was the same as seeing any other movie at any other time. I didn't notice any guards -- but of course that's how I would want it to be run if I was in charge of the theater! Nothing stupid, like airport type security checks.
I'm sure they already have the Theater Marshals in place!
Here in Richmond, it was the same as seeing any other movie at any other time. I didn't notice any guards -- but of course that's how I would want it to be run if I was in charge of the theater! Nothing stupid, like airport type security checks.
I'm sure they already have the Theater Marshals in place!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I still think they should have introduced the name of "Robin" at the end by having the lady with his bags go, "Don't forget your bag, Mr Grayson." Having his name be literally "Robin" is just another issue of movies being written for the absolute dumbest guy in the audience to understand.
I think a continuation with him becoming "Nightwing" would be awesome. Or even better, mix Dick Grayson and Terry McGuiness together, and have the next movie be about Bruce Wayne behind the scenes directing the new Batman in protecting Gotham.
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AegisGrimm wrote:Overall, My buddies and I liked the movie.
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I still think they should have introduced the name of "Robin" at the end by having the lady with his bags go, "Don't forget your bag, Mr Grayson." Having his name be literally "Robin" is just another issue of movies being written for the absolute dumbest guy in the audience to understand.
I think a continuation with him becoming "Nightwing" would be awesome. Or even better, mix Dick Grayson and Terry McGuiness together, and have the next movie be about Bruce Wayne behind the scenes directing the new Batman in protecting Gotham.
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Drake was already one of the Robins, so I think calling him Grayson would have been stupid. I do agree that calling him Robin was a dumbing down though.
Except weren't they calling him Blake the entire time, not Drake? I doubt the dumbest guy in the audience would have been able to figure out such an intricate thing.
Except weren't they calling him Blake the entire time, not Drake? I doubt the dumbest guy in the audience would have been able to figure out such an intricate thing.
He isn't going to be "Robin" of the comics, he will be a new Batman, who's actual first name is Robin. This character will never be a sidekick. Then again, I don't get upset when an interpretation of material isn't trying to emulate the comics either. At best they should have left out completely that his real first name was Robin, and kept everything else the same.
Oh, and his name was Blake, not Drake. They only say his name maybe once in the film, excluding at the end when he says "John Blake" and the woman tells him there is nothing under that and he tells her to try R Blake, or Blake R, to which she finds the entry. She then tells him he should go by his first name as it is so pretty, which, incidentally, is probably why he didn't tell the other cops his name was Robin.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Just came out of seeing it, the plot twist and ending was incredible but it felt more like Batman Begins than The Dark Knight which saddens me as I greatly preferred the latter. On top of that the first two acts were a little slow...
Just saw it last night. Not the greatest. The first half was excellent, but it kinda dragged on after that. Too much batplane and batbike, not enough batman. Took a turn for the Transformers imo. Not enough swinging from rooftops and jumping out of the shadows. Well-acted, with some really good parts, but not as good as the second or even the first. I am grudgingly satisfied with how the trilogy ended.
Ahtman wrote:He isn't going to be "Robin" of the comics, he will be a new Batman, who's actual first name is Robin. This character will never be a sidekick. Then again, I don't get upset when an interpretation of material isn't trying to emulate the comics either. At best they should have left out completely that his real first name was Robin, and kept everything else the same.
I think DC still aren't learning that lesson. Do a movie good enough, and you don't need to hack apart characters who have a fair swathe of fans ready to go see the film. Pay respect to the fans, but make it interesting and fun enough to appeal to a wider audience.
This is something Marvel is getting pretty much spot on at the moment, Ironman 1 and 2, the 2nd Hulk, Thor, Captain America and obviously Avengers, shame that some of their other licenses are being clung onto by studios that are also not quite getting there. Seriously, imagine a Avengers 2 with Spiderman in it, shame its not happening anytime soon.
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I don't think trotting out the old "Batman is different from Bruce Wayne" chestnut is going to help anyone understand these movies. That's not what they're about. (Until the last 30 minutes or so of round 3.)
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You don't have to go into some weird montage of Batman takling to himself in a mirror to establish the Batman=Main Character deal, you just have to make sure that a Batman movie devotes most of its screentime to Batman.
Its simple: Batman equals fist of fury. Wayne equals restroom break time.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Different authors have different takes on the idea of Batman-as-disassociative-disorder. Nolan seems to consider Batman to be Wayne in therapy. Nolan's Wayne is a different person from Batman to the extent that a man is one person when at work and another person on his psychiatrist's couch. Basically -- it's the same guy in different situations. Yes, Nolan flirts with the image of multiple personality disorder in Batman Begins but this is mostly off the table in Dark Knight. It's completely done in DKR, where Blake figures out Batman's secret identity via biographical empathy.
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OT but we don't ahve this problem with Iron Man. You have to respect someone so vain he can't help but show off. Look at ME!!!! Its like if Bart Simpson had a super suit. Yes!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
That's a great contrasting example. And it could apply to Batman, too. Not every incarnation of Batman focuses so heavily on the death of his parents. The 40s serial and the 60s TV show never even mentioned them. And yet we still had a resourceful, costumed detective in both cases. Since the mid-70s, Batman has been trending dark. The current touchstones are Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, both written by unabashed fascist libertarian Frank Miller. And those were the key texts for Nolan.
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Manchu wrote:That's a great contrasting example. And it could apply to Batman, too. Not every incarnation of Batman focuses so heavily on the death of his parents. The 40s serial and the 60s TV show never even mentioned them. And yet we still had a resourceful, costumed detective in both cases. Since the mid-70s, Batman has been trending dark. The current touchstones are Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, both written by unabashed fascist libertarian Frank Miller. And those were the key texts for Nolan.
That made my laugh - spot on too...
Interesting in that Nolan's political leanings are, allegedly, in the other direction, I think?
Certainly Batman Begins drew a lot of inspiration from Year One, but I don't think TDKR was nearly as influential on the rest of the series. There were a lot of different sources of inspiration in the following films, such as Knightfall, No Man's Land, and The Killing Joke.
I don't think agreeing with Miller's politics is required to enjoy either book. While certainly still a bit of that mind, I don't recall Miller being quite as cranky about it back when the two books were released.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I dunno ... if anything Dark Knight Strikes Again is him being more playful about it (and it wasn't any good). TDKR was pretty effin serious and I do think the politics can get in the way of enjoying it just like for some they enhance the enjoyment. The politics of TDKR are certainly in Nolan's movies, if muddled and muted. Miller's cry was shrill but clear. Nolan's is just loud and, like Bale's Batman and Hardy's bane, indecipherable.
Manchu wrote:I dunno ... if anything Dark Knight Strikes Again is him being more playful about it (and it wasn't any good). TDKR was pretty effin serious and I do think the politics can get in the way of enjoying it just like for some they enhance the enjoyment. The politics of TDKR are certainly in Nolan's movies, if muddled and muted. Miller's cry was shrill but clear. Nolan's is just loud and, like Bale's Batman and Hardy's bane, indecipherable.
I was referring more to the person than to his work. He wasn't quite as humorless at the time, but his works were quite a bit darker. As his work gets more playful, as you say, he himself has become more unapproachable.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Cane wrote:Been a while but here's a post that sums it up for me:
Tbh not even sure if this movie was better than The Avengers, but still good. Felt like a more epic version of the first two Batman movies but it tried to be too epic. And the epic action scenes, while still blockbuster worthy, just aren't even in the same ballpark as The Avengers. This Batman also introduced too many new characters while trying to tie up a bunch of loose ends with the old ones.
Still everytime the movie began to lose my attention like during a lengthy Bruce Wayne scene or a flashback, it still somehow got me cheering for Batman to overcome everything. However I didn't really like the chemistry between any of the characters in this movie, tbh, although it had some fun lines...Joker was much more awesome.
List of minor, not so minor, and random faults that puts this movie down for me compared to TDK......SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS? :
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- Too many clumsy flashbacks. Pays off in the end although it makes the storytelling overall feel lazy and unimpressive
- Bane's facemask doesn't translate well to the big screen, should have redesigned his character even further. Hooking up his voice to stadium speakers was an experience. Wasn't that impressive of a villain, was basically a smooth talking brute. Loved the line about the kid's voice though
- Bane's neckbreaking and face-crushing, while undeniably brutal, also just doesn't translate very well to the big screen and not very dramatic. Doesn't help that Steven Segal made it infamous
- That chant sounds like "THIS IS AWESOME, AWESOME!". Thought they said "Gotham" in the trailers. But "Awesome" works and makes the pit climbing spectacle that much more entertaining
- How did Batman have all that time to make his symbol on the skyscraper during the ice walking scene? Seemed like he wasted a lot of crucial minutes when Gordon was sentenced to death by exile
- The passing of time also felt clumsy and awkward, too much time was covered
- Qui Gon Jinn, a lot of themes/scenes felt like Star Wars, and not in a good way
- Cops vs Bane's men in the end, why the hell didn't both sides just shoot eachother instead of brawl it out? I wanted to care about Pvt Joker's death but yea not so much. Visually, the fight was also a spectacle, but a relatively unimpressive one
- Sentencing scene was funny and felt like a comic book. Could have used more Scarecrow....why not use more of a villain that the audience is already familiar with?
- Cat Woman. Didn't do much for me. Her background felt rushed, acting felt average, chemistry wasn't there with Bruce or Batman, who the hell was that blonde lesbo, and really wasn't that much eye candy either
Also not enough dark bad ass Batman stuff like "PRAY TO ME" and his interrogation against the Joker.
3/4 stars. I wonder if the director's cut will address some of my whining
Blonde girl was Catwoman's friend who is in every Batman iteration. Nolan was thorough, what's wrong with that? I don't agree with everything you said, but this comment is really the only one of ignorance I feel justified commenting on.
Specifically Holly Robinson, although she's just referred to as "Jen" in TDKR.
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I did like all of the meta-references, intentional or not, such as Blake being teased about "Giant Alligators" in the sewers too (KIller Croc) and during the stock market heist where Bane is dressed like the Jason Todd version of Red Hood, that and the wonderful gag from Kingdom Come ("So that's what it feels like").
To all those who couldn't understand Bane I have no idea what you're on about, he was fine to me, even with his Romani gypsy/Irish accent going on (which is what Hardy was going for, he based to voice on Bartley Gorman according to IMDB.
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