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warboss wrote:
Weren't the greens/test casts shown a really long time ago for the chaos warrriors? That didn't seem to help getting the orders in a timely fashion too much.

True I suppose

After greens, the stick shortens by 2 feet

Once there are reliable testimonials on shipping and etc, the stick goes away for me

I am sorry AoW, you have just managed to get $15 out of me for the limited edition standard bearer....but any thing other than the Dwarves and it would have been a lot more. The potential for the Chaos/Evil Dwarves is huge with Forge World dragging their heels. I would have been buying boxes of blunderbuss troops (hobgoblins as well) and invested at least a good couple of hundred dollars in these (still less than I have given FW for the limited Chaos Dwarves I have). Maybe next time?

Pathfinders are in, currently its at $31,510 with 18 hours left to go.

With a big last minute push i think they could reach the dwarf cavalry/bear cavalry, it would help alot if Felix threw in a free hero or some something at the 35-40k mark.

On another forum i frequent somebody brought up the idea that this campaign demonstrates that a company doesn't have spend money throwing lots of free stuff at people to have a moderately successful campaign.

While i do think it is somewhat true, if Felix had run this campaign similar to Mantic/sedition wars he would probably be well into the 100-200k region by now.

$31,500 now so that's another stretch goal passed:

Dwarf Pathfinders: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf rangers armed with hand weapon and crossbow. The box will include a barricade.

Next one is for a box set of Dwarf Cavalry on War Bears but with $7000 needed and less than a day to go I don't think it's going to make it.

Mr Gutsy wrote:On another forum i frequent somebody brought up the idea that this campaign demonstrates that a company doesn't have spend money throwing lots of free stuff at people to have a moderately successful campaign.

I don't know. The campaign seems more like a pre-order push than anything. There haven't been any incentives other than "Give me x amount of money and I may sculpt some additional troop variants sometime in the future". No ability to unlock additional shinnies for pledges if we reach x amount. For me, the sculpts and concepts look nice and I don't doubt the quality, I doubt the ability to deliver...

Mr Gutsy wrote:On another forum i frequent somebody brought up the idea that this campaign demonstrates that a company doesn't have spend money throwing lots of free stuff at people to have a moderately successful campaign.

Yes and no, as this one wasn't going to meet its funding goal with out the addition of the $15 figure.

And even then, it only succeeded, in my opinion, with that perk AND the fact that Felix has already established himself as a producer of awesome looking miniatures.

Yeah. I'm with Alpharius. Run properly, this campaign should have done far, far better. I sort of wish CMoN would simply call Felix and be like, "Listen, dude. With your line, we can be a better version of Mantic. Let's get this funded correctly and get your time tables in order."

Alas, that is not to be.

Me three. If this fether dropped the prices even remotely, say $5 less than they retail for, I would have got me $200 worth easy.

I got my berserkers NIB on ebay including shipping for £22, so what's the incentive for me to spend $110 (£70) on 50 models?

Its cheaper to actually buy the bastards when they come out!

I don't know why, but it really annoys me! Maybe cos I love the models so much?

Im just throwing ideas out there somewhat unfairly cos Ive never met him, but it strikes me the bloke must be either ridiculously egotistical, tight as feth, or just plain stupid to not see what he could have done here.

Seriously, look at all the comments on here and all over the place on the web. Without exaggeration (his models are that good!) if he even just put some individual model stretches in (say 1 or 2 for the 110 buck deal) and dropped the price by say, $10-15 for the 50 models, I reckon the guy would have hit $200,000.

He is that good a sculptor.

But obviously that bad a businessman. I would rather make $10 on a box and sell ten thousand of them than make $15 on a box and sell 100!

BTW is the perk and strech goal information secret? I can't find it on the indiegogo website. Which doesn't help the campaign I guess.

Honestly, Kroot, I dont think there ARE any stretch goals. Despite the fact that I did help fund it, there are literally no incentives for someone to back this project other than having faith in Avatars of War and Felix's sculpting ability.

In other news, I'm gonna ask ya'll for help on my pledge, if you dont mind:

So I think I may up my pledge to 100 models, but I need advice on which models to get. Any help/thoughts would be appreciated since I don't know a ton about Dwarven Army Construction! So far:

Iron Guard (20 models)
Doomcrushers (20 models)
Treasure Hunters (10 models)
Bear Warriors (10 models)
Living Ancestors (5 models)
Bear Lord (5 models)
Limited Standard Bearer (5 models)
Berzerker Lord (5 models)

I think this is a good base, and now I just need to add 20 more models. This, I think, would be best served as one of the following: Regular Warriors (20 models), Veterans (Longbeards) - 20 Models, or two units of Thunder Warriors (Thunderers), Crossbows (Quarrellers), or Pathfinders (Rangers).

Thoughts?

Hmm - we're only 4500 or so from the Bear Calvary - and things really seem to be humming along in the last few days.

If it has a proportional bump that Mantic, et al had in the last few hours we just might snag em. Which would be awesome.

I understand why he did it of course, put all the GW equivalents first as they'll sell more. But I wish all the cool new stuff (Bears, Valks) wasn't at the end :/

Come on bear cav! If it hits that, only cool thing missing is the valks, and maybe he'll do them anyway.

Cincy- I would PM Red_Zeke about army construction.

I'm thinking about chipping in a little more, just because I have some cash in my paypal account. Does anyone know though, if I were to choose one of the dwarf pledges (for $50 or up) does that overwrite the $15 for the STB I pledged a few days ago? (A pledge that hopefully didn't overwrite my raffle entry pledge).

I can't find a page/tab anywhere in Indiegogo that says "my pledges" or anything like that.

Schmapdi wrote:I'm thinking about chipping in a little more, just because I have some cash in my paypal account. Does anyone know though, if I were to choose one of the dwarf pledges (for $50 or up) does that overwrite the $15 for the STB I pledged a few days ago? (A pledge that hopefully didn't overwrite my raffle entry pledge).

I can't find a page/tab anywhere in Indiegogo that says "my pledges" or anything like that.

That's because their system is awful and doesn't wait to fun until the termination of the project like kickstarter.

You actually have to enter a new pledge.

It's a bit lame, but it is what it is.

Kroothawk wrote:BTW is the perk and strech goal information secret? I can't find it on the indiegogo website. Which doesn't help the campaign I guess.

The only information I can find is on the main page:

[DONE] : Miniatures in this category are already done. You can see them here
[PLANNED]: Miniatures in this category will be done. These are the miniatures we were already able to sculpt and produce before this campaign.
[YEAAAAH!]: Miniatures in this category we were not able to do but will now be done thanks to your help by supporting the Dwarf Army campaign!
[Amount]: This is the necessary funding level to raise for that particular miniature to get done.

[DONE] Dwarf Lord with two weapons: Metal miniature
[DONE] Dwarf Noble: Metal miniature
[DONE] Dwarf Thunderlord: Metal miniature
[DONE] Dwarf Berserkers: 20 multi-component plastic miniatures regiment Dwarf Berserker warriors armed with two weapons
[DONE] Dwarf Berserker Champion: Metal miniature
[DONE] Dwarf Berserker Lord: Metal miniature
[DONE] Dwarf Rune Master: Metal miniature
[PLANNED] Dwarf Warriors: 20 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of regular Dwarf warriors armed with weapon & shield
[PLANNED] Dwarf Thunder Warriors: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf warriors armed with pistols
[PLANNED] Dwarf Iron Guard: 20 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of elite armoured Dwarf warriors armed with hand weapon & shield.
[PLANNED] Dwarf King: Metal miniature
[PLANNED] Dwarf Doomcrushers: 20 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of elite Dwarf warriors armed with two handed hammers.
[PLANNED] Living ancestor: Two animated giant stone statue of a dwarf ancestor (WarCast)
[PLANNED] Dwarf Master Builder – Metal miniature
[PLANNED] Dwarf mortar and crew: 2 Dwarf warriors and mortar (WarCast)
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Champion kit (choice of several weapon combos): WarCast miniature
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Crossbowmen: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf warriors armed with crossbow.
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Veterans: 20 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of regular Dwarf warriors armed with two handed weapons.
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf treasure Hunters: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf adventurers.
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Bear Warriors: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf Warriors in bear disguise.
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf King mounted on Great war bear kit – WarCast miniature
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Bear Lord – Metal miniature
[YEAAAAH!] Dwarf Pathfinders: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf rangers armed with hand weapon and crossbow. The box will include a barricade.
[$38.750] Dwarf cavalry: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures (5 riders+5 war bears) regiment of elite Dwarf warriors mounted on war bears.
[$41.250] War bears: 5 multi-component armoured war bears (WarCast)
[$48.750] Valkyries: 20 multi-component WarCast miniatures regiment of Dwarf female warriors armed with varied weapons.
[$52.500] Dwarf cannon: 3 Dwarf warriors and mortar (WarCast)
[$53.750] Dwarf light canon: 1 Dwarf Warrior with mobile canon (WarCast)
[$55.000] Dwarf Geologist – Metal miniature
[$56.250] Durgur Hawkeye (Dwarf Sniper) – Metal miniature

Only benefit is more miniatures get made. No "free extra figs or swag" targets.

cincydooley wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:I'm thinking about chipping in a little more, just because I have some cash in my paypal account. Does anyone know though, if I were to choose one of the dwarf pledges (for $50 or up) does that overwrite the $15 for the STB I pledged a few days ago? (A pledge that hopefully didn't overwrite my raffle entry pledge).

I can't find a page/tab anywhere in Indiegogo that says "my pledges" or anything like that.

That's because their system is awful and doesn't wait to fun until the termination of the project like kickstarter.

You actually have to enter a new pledge.

It's a bit lame, but it is what it is.

That's fine - I don't mind multiple tiny charges, as long as I don't lose what I've pledged before. And yeah - Indiegogo is kinda lacking compared to Kickstarter. It won't let me comment on the project because "I've made too many comments" already. I only made two!

If you do end up being able to comment, you might suggest he make a high level last minute pledge- if he wants to get over the bear cav amount. 4K to go, 10 hours left- not impossible, but would be way easier with a tempting 1K last minute option for the high rollers!

Won't let me reply either. We'll see where I fall in about 8 hours

Ehh, only 3 grand away now, with 9 hours left. I am ... cautiously optimistic, about getting bear cavalry.

If it passes that mark, with the way he has it worded, it sounds like you could select some bear cavalry, basically counting as 2 models each?

Dwarf cavalry: 10 multi-component WarCast miniatures (5 riders+5 war bears) regiment of elite Dwarf warriors mounted on war bears.

In that case, it may actually be a somewhat good deal, as I'm sure those will turn out to be quite pricey.

I.e, at the 100 model pledge, you could get 50 bear cav!? Would be nice to have that clarified, too.

I did the exclusive standard bearer but I'm with Mattyrm. He could have gotten a lot more money out of me by offering a discount. I'm a huge Dwarf nut.

Here's to hoping he follows thru and gets this to us sometime in the next 6 months....

6 hours, and less than $2K needed to go to get to bear cav!

Edit: 3 hours to go, and $1K needed for bear cav! Will be close!!

So close. I'm about ready to drop another $200 in there so that'll bring it one step closer.

Only ~700 short at this point, with 3 hours left. I'm thinking we're pretty likely to make it now.

$210 left until Bear Cav. Come on people. Sheesh.

Bear cav inc

carod wrote:Bear cav inc

Woot

The only cool things that didn't get reached were bears by themselves (which should be easy to do if he's doing the cav, anyway) and the valkyries. Pretty sweet push at the end, looking forward to seeing what he comes up with!

I didn't get in on this, but the local FLGS that just opened carries AoW, so it will be awesome to see these on the shelves down the line when they're done (hopefully not too long, he does sound motivated, so we'll see ).

So I think this is what I've decided on:

So here's what I decided on, I think. Subject To change

Dwarf Iron Guard (1 unit of 20)
Doomcrushers (1 unit of 20)
Living Ancestor (1 unit of 2)
Treasure Hunters (1 unit of 10)
Bear Warriors (1 unit of 10)
Bear Cavalry (1 unit of 5)
Warriors (2 units of 20)
King on War Bear (1 model)
Thunder Warriors (2 units of 10)
Bear Lord (1 model)
Berzerker Lord (1 model)

Would love to know your thoughts. Do I take Pathfinders or Crossbowmen instead of Thunder Warriors? Should I take a unit of Veterans instead of something else?

Won't the bear cab and mounted king count as 2 models apiece?

My understanding is that the bear cav counts as 10 models (5 bears, 5 riders) and the King is just like any other hero and counts as 5.

Well, that's what I'm hoping at least.