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Loads of battle reports, army show-cases, campaign rules and optional rules/rules expansions? That doesn't sound anything like WD. That's sounds like what WD should be.

WD has none of that. It just has big glossy pictures (with helpful text to tell you what's in the pictures you're looking at), 50-pages of new releases, 14 pages listing every shop and stockist on the planet, and no content whatsoever.

I am calling my local GW on Friday to see if they are getting any in (manager told me to wait unitl then, they wouldn't know before), so hopefully I will be getting a copy to wrap up and put under the tree (For myself, oddly enough)

Although it dose seem stupid to do a Limited Run. Unfortunately, it sold out so fast that GW might see it as a viable plan for the future...

HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


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And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.

 RiTides wrote:
HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


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And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.

Honestly, I am just hoping for IA Light. As long as there is a story, some new rules and good looking pictures, I will be happy.

At first I saw it and I got excited because I'm a campaign/special games kind of guy. However, like people have said, caution must be applied when buying GW products.

Fortunately, GW made my decision for me by making it Limited Edition.

I suppose we won't know how it is till it comes out. I'm hopeful.

gobbledog wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

gobbledog wrote:
Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.

It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.

To quote directly from Dec WD, page 38,
"Don't wait to pick up your copy though - Crusade of Fire is only available in limited numbers and when it's gone, it's gone."

Anything else you would care to quibble about?

But that's not a limited edition, just a limited run, not that it's worth quibbling over, so I'll stand corrected. I assumed it was like the previous book where they did a 2nd print run shortly afterwards.

In any case, it seems like a bad idea to release an expansion on such a limited scale, as you can by definition only market it at the people who are able to buy it on release day.

 RiTides wrote:
HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


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And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.

That's what worries me, I'll happily pay good money for a set of campaign rules and scenarios, but I'm not going to pay the same money for a hard back editorial (how we played the campaign) as that is what we should be getting in White Dwarf. My value-for-money proposition is going to be ignoring all the extraneous crap, and if it turns out to be 30 useful pages, I'm going to be thinking "is a 30 page hardback boook worth 25 quid?".

Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.

 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.

Not sold out on the UK website...

 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.

Yup. As above. You can still order it from GW's UK website.

It seems more a problem of them not shipping out enough for the US market (and Australia), than it is about limited quantities in general.

Same happened with the Wall of Martyrs, was reading about it being sold out in US while it was still available of GW UK.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.

Yup. As above. You can still order it from GW's UK website.

It seems more a problem of them not shipping out enough for the US market (and Australia), than it is about limited quantities in general.

ahaa
Thanks for that, seems i had america selected as my country.

The General's Compendium is my benchmark for supplements of a 'campaign' nature. That book was great.

What I've see from GW since then has been unimpressive to say the least.

I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

So what your saying is it was not worth the money?

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

Let me guess....BT got Fighter Ace rules but still no flyer options outside of wallet-raping FW?

I think the book is not a must buy, but I don't regret buying it. The scenarios in the campaign are nice, esp. the zero-G fighting rules. The one-on-one brawling rules at the end are also fun but not essential. An inspiring book like Badlands.

 Cruentus wrote:
The General's Compendium is my benchmark for supplements of a 'campaign' nature. That book was great.

An infinite amount of this.

GW's latest offerings for "campaign" play are pretty sad.

Also, that picture of the Fighter "options" is laughably pathetic. Pay 50 points for some random die roll! SOOO CINEMATIC!

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

Yes, you can Definitely post how the new flyer rules roughly work.

Also, as Kroot says I don't think Blood in the Badlands was necessarily terrible for everybody... there is some character to it, and probably to this 40k equivalent, I just wanted folks to know what they were in for.

A few pages of rules, and a lot of White-dwarf-esque campaign play-through commentary.

I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

You sir saved me 50$, and I thank you.

haroon wrote:

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

You sir saved me 50$, and I thank you.

Same here. So anybody who doesnt have a flyer through GW yet has to take a backseat on this one eh? So Mr Grey Knight or Mr Necron can go to the local GW and drop $50 to get a flyer and play with his fancy Fighter Ace rolls, but Ive got to get a Storm Eagle or Assault Ram shipped from FW in the UK to the US for almost $200 and then hope Im allowed to use said FW models where Im playing? What a dumbass hobby Ive gotten myself into.

So how do the 1 on 1 battles work? Is there an "armory" to even up points cost differences between combatants?

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

So how many pages do the actual rules take up?

 RiTides wrote:


I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.

Yes they were awesome, proper tomes full of useful stuff. In fact, I'd say a fair amount of it is probably still usable now with a bit of work.

 Pacific wrote:

 RiTides wrote:


I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.

Yes they were awesome, proper tomes full of useful stuff. In fact, I'd say a fair amount of it is probably still usable now with a bit of work.

I can confirm that, assuming you have the 6th ed book and pdf update for the base Siege rules and the WDs/PDFs with the Skirmish rules. The old Siege rules work just fine with 8th and I still enjoy the occasional ship fight.

Ok. I got my copy and I have to say overall me and my play group will have some fun with this expansion.

I am also already planning to run a single or double elimination arena battle tournament. It's like combining a card game with 40k and looks very fun.

I got my copy.....

And really this is the sort of stuff that should be in White Dwarf really.

It's ok - but for people that may have missed it sleep easy tonight lol - plenty will be on the bay soon

Lovepug13 wrote:
I got my copy.....

And really this is the sort of stuff that should be in White Dwarf really.

It's ok - but for people that may have missed it sleep easy tonight lol - plenty will be on the bay soon

Pretty sure you're talking of ebay here.

It's on eBay for $150 buy it now. No thanks. I was iffy on getting it from GW direct and paying $50. No way I'm dropping more than that, though I am really curious to check it out.

I'm just very happy my store has enough coming in. Got a confirmation of another 20 copies coming to me. Not sure how my sales rep wrangled it or if they got more from the UK, but I really don't care, the book looks great. Happy to have enough for folks to get them.

 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

Just as I posted earlier. :sigh: I hate being right sometimes. GW would make real money if they made a proper, GC level of book for 40k and Fantasy, as most of the people I play with (including nearly all of the tournament players) would love to play a campaign. In fact, not only does it get people buying books and multiple armies, it also increases sales of "sub par" units included in current codecies, as several of them may be useless for "min/max" competitive play, but worth quite a bit for specific objective grabbing and scenario missions that would not be used in a tournament due to time constraints.

Of course, judging by most people's reactions before hearing anything more about the product, GW would have made more money by having the numbers to rope in a few more suckers before word got out about the quality of the product.