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Watch the recent full length battle report from frontline gaming on youtube.

Reecius just null deployed, his opponent stopped most of his stuff coming on turn 2 using scouts + dropping the assault squads, he was forced to tank shock to bring stuff on.

He still won... so. I'm not convinced the sky(hammer) is falling just yet.

zerosignal wrote:
Watch the recent full length battle report from frontline gaming on youtube.

Reecius just null deployed, his opponent stopped most of his stuff coming on turn 2 using scouts + dropping the assault squads, he was forced to tank shock to bring stuff on.

He still won... so. I'm not convinced the sky(hammer) is falling just yet.

Yeah, they didn't do tank shock correctly, either tactically or rules-wise. Troops wouldn't have moved back with the tank at all. They would have just moved to the side with none out in front of the tank. He also could have angled the tank's entry onto the board and went a full 12 inches so that he forced multiple units to test morale, potentially creating a much bigger hole for his infantry to come on.

Just give in to Khorne and ignore said formation. Blood for the blood God!

Mavnas wrote:
Against MSU you can split the cannons. Each combat squad takin 10 grav shots and you kill 2 units each that way. MSU isn't a counter unless your units are really cheap or have some way of surviving 10 grav shots.

Exactly. The cheapest unit in my one legal codex (GK) is 110 pts, realistically it'll be 115-135 if I wanted it to do something. Sure I can take rhinos/razorbacks, but those are eating up valuable points for my terminators (185 w/ psycannon). And since it can choose turn 1 or 2, I can't just null deploy. Most stuff these guys are targeting are going to be non-trivial units, if you build a list with that much bubble wrap a significant portion of your list is comprised of worthless units (unless you're IG, sort of).
Ironically, the Imperial Knight codex (my illegal codex) is a great counter since grav does nothing to superheavy vehicles, and even with an eviscerator charging one is bad news for an ASM squad.

But that is the point of MSU. If you had a truly MSU list then you wouldn't be playing GK's or some other high cost elite based list. My cheapest MSU unit is 25 points (orks - single buggie), but I can certainly build a MSU list that has almost zero targets for grav through combinations of tide/stampede formations, or just general footslogging. Yeh its not some top tier MSU, but if the amount of skyhammers is going up in the meta/tournie scene then the number of lists that are often considered nuisance lists is going to go up.

I get what your saying about not simply being able to avoid grav with MSU; as not every codex is able to actually create a true MSU due to either the efficiency of those units or the need for units that are grav targets.

Anyone try Deathmarks against this thing? Dropping in immediately and shooting in movement phase, they might remove a couple of heavy weapons, and also immediately present a threat that has to be dealt with. The Necron player gets to place them after the entire 'hammer has landed, so it should be possible to get clear of the Assault Marines.