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I'm just impatient

Got my first Legendary today, and of course it had to be a Demonology one when I'm maining affli.

At least it had BiS stats, so it's a really good stat stick.

Is it true there's no new raid dungeons added yet? I got a skinning quest to skin some dragon in a raid dungeon. Kind of worried about that, I'm not in a guild or anything.. does that mean I'll never get to go? Or are raids PUGable now?

 Necros wrote:
Is it true there's no new raid dungeons added yet?

The first raid (Emerald Nightmare) opened Tuesday on Normal and Heroic difficulty. The first Raid Finder wing opens next week along with Mythic difficulty.

Cool.. not in a rush to get in there so I'll wait till it opens. Is there an item level requirement to get in? I think Heroics had one, or was it just for level 110? My item level is 825 right now I think.

 Necros wrote:
figures .. I dunno if I'm up for that much of a rep grind, I'd probably just do without then unless I eventually get it through regular questing some day. I like Legion a lot so far, but it seems like there's a lot of purposely added time sink stuff to the point where it's kind of annoying at times. Guess they don't want people to burn through the new content too fast.

They obviously have to add time sinks, otherwise you'd do all the content there is in the first week and then complain there is no more content!

At least they use various methods to pace the content; follower missions, reputation, staggered raid release schedules...

 Necros wrote:
Cool.. not in a rush to get in there so I'll wait till it opens. Is there an item level requirement to get in? I think Heroics had one, or was it just for level 110? My item level is 825 right now I think.

Yes, the item level requirement for LFR will be 825.

 Ashiraya wrote:
They obviously have to add time sinks, otherwise you'd do all the content there is in the first week and then complain there is no more content!

I resemble that remark I usually buy a game on release day, get through it in a week or so, then forget about it for a year or 2 when all the DLCs are done. I wish I had the patience to wait till they're all done, then I'd get it a lot cheaper when they put out their "game of the year" editions.

I like that I'm still getting Demon Hunter quests even after I finished the main campaign. I think I've kind of given up on leatherworking for now though.. Maybe I just need better patterns from raids? by the time I was able to get the quests and pattern upgrades, I already had gear that was better. I like the look of the robe I just got
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/steamwheedle%20cartel/zillion/simple

Linking our characters, eh?

Here is my main.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Ashiraya/simple

I also have vast numbers of alts (as in way too many) but curremtly I am leveling a pandaren brewmaster and a tauren guardian druid.

I am very much a tank at heart.

I've never been able to tank, when I tank, people die. When I heal, people die. I'm better off DPSing where I can just stand there and mash buttons till something dies I used to be pretty good at CCing stuff with my warlock back in the day.. seems like CC doesn't matter anymore and people just AOE everything to death most of the time these days

When I tank, people rage because I'm not auto-taunting an entire room of mobs they decided to go and pull. Tanking at anything lower than current content is just misery incarnate; either you get bossed about by the DPS, or you get kicked. I've never actually tanked much current content simply because I know that inside every party member is a screaming man-child waiting to burst out.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When I tank, people rage because I'm not auto-taunting an entire room of mobs they decided to go and pull. Tanking at anything lower than current content is just misery incarnate; either you get bossed about by the DPS, or you get kicked. I've never actually tanked much current content simply because I know that inside every party member is a screaming man-child waiting to burst out.

All of this.

I used to like doing it a bit before heirlooms came out and made people start feeling immortal. Back then the tank's word was law if you wanted to clear a dungeon. Now you get groups where some loon splits his time evenly between jumping around aimlessly, and screaming obscenities when he ultimately bites off more than he can chew and snuffs it.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When I tank, people rage because I'm not auto-taunting an entire room of mobs they decided to go and pull.

On one hand ninjapullers are bad and should feel bad, but on the other hand most tanks actually have the tools to deal with this. Blood DK? Gorefiend's Grasp into Blood Boil. Monks? Ox statue. And so on.

I have never had any real issues keeping aggro. Nowadays I am doing raids anyway which is another experience entirely.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When I tank, people rage because I'm not auto-taunting an entire room of mobs they decided to go and pull.

On one hand ninjapullers are bad and should feel bad, but on the other hand most tanks actually have the tools to deal with this. Blood DK? Gorefiend's Grasp into Blood Boil. Monks? Ox statue. And so on.

I have never had any real issues keeping aggro. Nowadays I am doing raids anyway which is another experience entirely.

It generally happens when nobody is ready for a pull, so the DPS runs in, dies immediately, and the mobs break off into smaller packs to attack everyone else. My main tanks are Warrior and Paladin, neither of which can really deal with split packs of elites. Warriors can try and Heroic Leap or Thunder Clap-spam, but since everyone tends to start running around like headless chickens after a room pull, it's difficult to gather them up. Paladins can only look on and gently weep unless they slotted Final Stand, but if it happens again...

EDIT: Plus, even if you do survive, the puller will likely have died in the attempt, and will likely be throwing their toys out of the pram alongside anyone else who died.

Well if that happens constantly then it should not make much difference if you are the one tanking or not. So just grab some friends.

Honestly, I pretty much never come across ninjapulling in dungeons these days (aside from the occasional accidental bodypull). I can't remember the last time it happened at least.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well if that happens constantly then it should not make much difference if you are the one tanking or not. So just grab some friends.

Honestly, I pretty much never come across ninjapulling in dungeons these days (aside from the occasional accidental bodypull). I can't remember the last time it happened at least.

I have no friends on WoW; they've all quit.

Every friendly guild I join ends up falling apart shortly after, or the friends I make on it log out and never log back in. The only two online games I really play are WoW and World of Tanks, and they're wholly solo affairs--which for the latter one especially makes things tedious at times.

Either you're lucky with the ninja-pulling, or I'm unlucky; last time I saw it happen was yesterday, about three times in separate dungeons.


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One of my favourite WoW moments did happen when I was tanking, though, back around maybe 3.3 WotLK? I think it was through the new Dungeon Finder. Doing Deadmines with a rag-tag team, we got to the ship, and someone managed to pull the entire thing. They died, the second DPS died, eventually the third DPS snuffed it... All that was left was me tanking the entire ship's worth of mobs on that platform next to the paddle wheel, with our Shaman throwing out heals from the safe spot on the wheel when he scraped together enough mana. It took several minutes, too many close-calls to count, judicious use of Shield Block on CD and using every tool in my arsenal, and a whole lot of luck, but together the healer and me managed it and slaughtered the lot of them. Best feeling ever. The DPS who pulled then left followed by their friend; the healer, sensing disparity, quickly followed, and the last DPS hung around for a minute until he, too, sodded off.

Never even finished the instance.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well if that happens constantly then it should not make much difference if you are the one tanking or not. So just grab some friends.

Honestly, I pretty much never come across ninjapulling in dungeons these days (aside from the occasional accidental bodypull). I can't remember the last time it happened at least.

I have no friends on WoW; they've all quit.

Every friendly guild I join ends up falling apart shortly after, or the friends I make on it log out and never log back in. The only two online games I really play are WoW and World of Tanks, and they're wholly solo affairs--which for the latter one especially makes things tedious at times.

Either you're lucky with the ninja-pulling, or I'm unlucky; last time I saw it happen was yesterday, about three times in separate dungeons.


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One of my favourite WoW moments did happen when I was tanking, though, back around maybe 3.3 WotLK? I think it was through the new Dungeon Finder. Doing Deadmines with a rag-tag team, we got to the ship, and someone managed to pull the entire thing. They died, the second DPS died, eventually the third DPS snuffed it... All that was left was me tanking the entire ship's worth of mobs on that platform next to the paddle wheel, with our Shaman throwing out heals from the safe spot on the wheel when he scraped together enough mana. It took several minutes, too many close-calls to count, judicious use of Shield Block on CD and using every tool in my arsenal, and a whole lot of luck, but together the healer and me managed it and slaughtered the lot of them. Best feeling ever. The DPS who pulled then left followed by their friend; the healer, sensing disparity, quickly followed, and the last DPS hung around for a minute until he, too, sodded off.

Never even finished the instance.

Had a similar instance during Vanilla when I hit 60-

I offered to run 30-40s through Scarlet Monastery in it's entirety as my paladin - because I'm a nice guy. I always said at the start, "Don't move until I tell you to, period. Don't heal, don't spam anything, just sit and wait for the call."

I'd aggro everything in the instance - even at 60, that was a tough fight, more so when people I was leveling didn't listen. Had multiple instances of Hunters and Mages doing their thing despite my warning - and in Vanilla Paladins had no taunt, so they'd die and tell me I sucked.

Of course I'd then kill 30+ elites and they'd quiet down.

Tanking and Healing, the two most thankless jobs in existence - although I admit, I rarely ever see anyone bitch about a gakky healer.

I hit Artifact Knowledge level 5 today and decided to go farm for the Affliction hidden quest item, which drops from Eredar mobs in Azsuna once you hit Artifact Level 5. A whopping one mob later and I had my tome. That doesn't seem right.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When I tank, people rage because I'm not auto-taunting an entire room of mobs they decided to go and pull. Tanking at anything lower than current content is just misery incarnate; either you get bossed about by the DPS, or you get kicked. I've never actually tanked much current content simply because I know that inside every party member is a screaming man-child waiting to burst out.

This is one of the biggest things I do not miss about WoW...

I used to pally-tank fairly well during Cataclysm/pre-Cataclysm. Whenever I would get a PuG group like this I would self-bubble and let them all die.

Repair bills tend to focus the whining I've found.

So, after the first week of raiding, how is everyone feeling about Emerald Nightmare?

My alt's guild was the first to try it out early in the week. We had some undergeared people and were mostly a ragtag group, but managed to kill the first boss and Dragons of nightmare. Got Ursoc to 3%, but that's simply because we didn't have the gear to pass that fight.

Then my main's guild took a shot on the weekend. Managed to clear 7/7, then got 1/7 on Heroic, getting Dragons to 1% health.

Overall, I like the atmosphere, I like most of the bosses, and Xavius seems to be the coolest to me personally. The mechanics don't seem too terribly re-used. I can certainly enjoy progressing through this raid for sometime. What about you guys?

We skipped normal entirely. We're working on Il'gynoth now. Looks fun enough.

I haven't been able to get a raid group yet. I keep trying but no one will let me in I guess because my level is only 830. Well I've only tried 2 or 3 groups, most of the other ones I see listed have the boss I need already beat. Will raids ever be PUGable in the dungeon finder? or do you have to use the group finder?

I have a Skinning quest there, and now I also have a quest for mythic eye of ausona for my demon hunter weapons.

 Necros wrote:
I haven't been able to get a raid group yet. I keep trying but no one will let me in I guess because my level is only 830. Well I've only tried 2 or 3 groups, most of the other ones I see listed have the boss I need already beat. Will raids ever be PUGable in the dungeon finder? or do you have to use the group finder?

I have a Skinning quest there, and now I also have a quest for mythic eye of ausona for my demon hunter weapons.

LFR is coming out this week, so you can queue for the raid just like anything else. It's a bit dumbed down, though.

Dumbed down how? like it's easier for PUGs? Don't care either way though, I just want to do my skinning quest

LFR is for players who do not have time to properly raid, or who do not like to raid at all and just want their raid quests done.

It is a very dumbed-down version that removes most danger from the encounters. Previous LFRs have been infamous because much of the raid could basically just AFK but we'll see how this one turns out.

LFR is the only way I can really raid; I'm not active enough for a proper raiding guild, and premades with random people put my anxiety on edge. In LFR I can generally rely on someone else to feth up before I do.

Sounds like LFR is the only option for me too. So is that and the mythic dungeons happening on tuesday?

Mythic dungeons are out now, including Mythic+.

That said, on wednesday (tuesday for the Americas) Mythic+ can scale up to 865 instead of 850. Mythic and the first wing of LFR is also released.

Oh.. how do you get a mythic dungeon? in my dungeon finder it only lists heroic or normal