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 Eilif wrote:
 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Someone said, GW is the entry point to the hobby, but like all things that fase will end.

Dropping GW is a natural evolution of the hobby, as that is when the world of miniature games realy opens up to you as you.
I dropped main GW in mid 20, and specialist games in early 21.

Maybe it ends completely, but maybe it just gets incorporated on your own terms. I mentioned earlier that I've been playing Grimdark Future with my son recently. Brought out my IG army for the first time in years for a game this weekend and I was struck by both how much I never want to go back to 40k rules and how much I still like the 40k figures and setting.



Not all the old rules are that bad, you just have to put the best together. not that it should come as any surprise many of us old time gamers have come to the same rules fixes in our own local areas, game design isn't that hard of a concept, except for GW of course.

Our group has been having loads of fun playing a hybrid 5th edition with large helpings of rules from 3rd and 4th replacing bad design choices. even a few of the 6th and 7th rules make for fun game play in the older editions (although they tend to resemble versions of rules from 2nd edition).





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 aphyon wrote:


Not all the old rules are that bad, you just have to put the best together. not that it should come as any surprise many of us old time gamers have come to the same rules fixes in our own local areas, game design isn't that hard of a concept, except for GW of course.

Our group has been having loads of fun playing a hybrid 5th edition with large helpings of rules from 3rd and 4th replacing bad design choices. even a few of the 6th and 7th rules make for fun game play in the older editions (although they tend to resemble versions of rules from 2nd edition).


I see your point. I'm personally having more fun now with Grimdark Future than any previous edition of 40k as there are certain foundational elements of 40k I'm generally not fond of in a large battle game. I confess also that I like how with Grimdark it's pretty much all done for me in terms of rules, army lists and an online army builder.

However, for folks who prefer more of the GW-ish style of rules I think picking and choosing from what's come before is a great solution. 9 Editions in, there's certainly a large toolkit of options available to draw from.

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 aphyon wrote:

Not all the old rules are that bad, you just have to put the best together. not that it should come as any surprise many of us old time gamers have come to the same rules fixes in our own local areas, game design isn't that hard of a concept, except for GW of course.

Our group has been having loads of fun playing a hybrid 5th edition with large helpings of rules from 3rd and 4th replacing bad design choices. even a few of the 6th and 7th rules make for fun game play in the older editions (although they tend to resemble versions of rules from 2nd edition).


Yeah, that's where I'm at. Burned out in the transition to 4th, quit for a while, and then went back to 2nd, which in retrospect had some very easy fixes for it.

Nice thing about playing an OOP game is that codex creep is a thing of the past. You take what's there, fix what's broken, and enjoy. I hit "permanently quit" because while I would come back if GW actually produced a solid rules set, I see zero probability of that ever taking place.

Want a better way to do fantasy/historical miniatures battles?  Try Conqueror: Fields of Victory.

Do you like Star Wars but find the prequels and sequels disappointing?  Man of Destiny is the book series for you.

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Commissar von Toussaint wrote:
 aphyon wrote:

Not all the old rules are that bad, you just have to put the best together. not that it should come as any surprise many of us old time gamers have come to the same rules fixes in our own local areas, game design isn't that hard of a concept, except for GW of course.

Our group has been having loads of fun playing a hybrid 5th edition with large helpings of rules from 3rd and 4th replacing bad design choices. even a few of the 6th and 7th rules make for fun game play in the older editions (although they tend to resemble versions of rules from 2nd edition).


Yeah, that's where I'm at. Burned out in the transition to 4th, quit for a while, and then went back to 2nd, which in retrospect had some very easy fixes for it.

Nice thing about playing an OOP game is that codex creep is a thing of the past. You take what's there, fix what's broken, and enjoy. I hit "permanently quit" because while I would come back if GW actually produced a solid rules set, I see zero probability of that ever taking place.


Then you keep doing 2nd, or hit up specialist games. dont think there is any of the old games that dont have 3d print proxi models out there, and epic+bfg has a good amount of fan support when it comes to the rules.
And while it has become a bit bloated over the years now, AT still has one of the best modern core rulebooks made over the past 6 years by gw.

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 FrozenDwarf wrote:

Then you keep doing 2nd, or hit up specialist games. dont think there is any of the old games that dont have 3d print proxi models out there, and epic+bfg has a good amount of fan support when it comes to the rules.
And while it has become a bit bloated over the years now, AT still has one of the best modern core rulebooks made over the past 6 years by gw.


No need for proxies, tons of 2nd ed. stuff being dumped on ebay and such places. The one-pose sculpts for orks are really cheap, along with the old plastic genestealers.

Indeed, I only had 1 army prior to 1998, and now I have all of the 2nd edition codex ones (well, okay, I didn't bother to collect all four flavors of marine...) and that probably cost me less than collecting one army in the "current" edition.

Want a better way to do fantasy/historical miniatures battles?  Try Conqueror: Fields of Victory.

Do you like Star Wars but find the prequels and sequels disappointing?  Man of Destiny is the book series for you.

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I didn't leave 40k, 40K left me

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I think it counts if you aren't playing whatever the most recent form of 40K is. I still play 3rd Ed. 40K, but I still consider myself as having "left".

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
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not really, I have been painting bolt action and battletech more often, and I get more enjoyment out of battletech. Both games are better Price Wise too.

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Left 40k for The Horus Heresy.
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I posted in this thread in 2019, and now in 2024 I was reflecting that I achieved everything I was hoping for in my post.
I've painted a massive Crimson Fists force, a huge mostly 2e Imperial Guard force, and a decent sized Chaos Space Marine, Chaos Demon and Necron force.
Got games in with all of them on terrain I scratch built.
All done in OPR. Funny enough, I've now "left" OPR because they upgraded to Version 2.5 and I was happy with 2.X and didn't much like the changes. So now I'm out of edition in the game I switched to because I was falling behind the editions in 40K.

Honestly, feels good. Editions are mostly only useful for publishers.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
I posted in this thread in 2019, and now in 2024 I was reflecting that I achieved everything I was hoping for in my post.
I've painted a massive Crimson Fists force, a huge mostly 2e Imperial Guard force, and a decent sized Chaos Space Marine, Chaos Demon and Necron force.
Got games in with all of them on terrain I scratch built.
All done in OPR. Funny enough, I've now "left" OPR because they upgraded to Version 2.5 and I was happy with 2.X and didn't much like the changes. So now I'm out of edition in the game I switched to because I was falling behind the editions in 40K.

Honestly, feels good. Editions are mostly only useful for publishers.


Glad you met your hobby goals. I haven't painted nearly as many figures as I'd hoped, but my use of Grimdark as a 40K substitute has been doing like gangbusters. I've probably played more games of Grimdark in the past 3 years than 40k in the previous 25.

As for versions, I happily made the switch to 2.5 and will likely follow every version change. Even if I felt strongly about a previous edition, the Army Forge builder is just too handy for me to want to pen and pencil out out lists just to keep to a previous version and I suspect my club feels the same way.

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I've never been a big app user when it comes to my hobby, I like doing things out by hand and so on, so no skin off my nose not to keep up to date.

If I ever venture into a bigger OPR community I would just upgrade, but seeing as I run all the games myself with armies I make and paint myself, I felt no reason to "upgrade".


   
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I've been on and off of 40K several times already. Got back in around 8th the last time, and now am leaving again after 10th edition.

After 10th edition, I will only play other GW games in the 30K/40K setting or older editions. I have always been a Space Marine player (Ok, did collect Orks in the 90s but didn't play 40K back then), and Primaris are not the Space Marines I know and love, they are just another generic scifi branded action figure franchise. Heck, even Orks have been "ruined" by 40K modernizations.. Eldar, Guard and Chaos players still have their essentials pure, I'm kind of envious, but not enough to change the army I play.

I absolutely fricking love the modern GW models, detail levels, lack of undercuts on the assembled models, proportions, all very much improved since the 80s.. And the gaming aids we have today! A dataslate that contains every rulebook and WD article ever written.. keeps track of my army lists and any other bookkeeping I might require.. but the current rules of GWs main games are not too hot and the constant churn of new releases and changes is making me hella cynical, bit by bit.

It's easy to turn to the past editions of the game and see a lot of fun opportunities.. Ironically, the rules were better in the past, whereas the models, gaming aids, paints and hobby stuff is now lightyears beyond the old stuff.. If only we could combine the old rules with the new models and gaming aids.. The old editions could thrive like never before.. But the interest in combining the old and the new seem nonexistent..? Either its "Only the new stuff!" or "Only lead models, paper and pencils!" and I'm stuck in the middle, in no-mans-land..

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I think many of us feel similarly. The modern setting doesn't really interest me, and I'm not a fan of all the scale creep in the miniature ranges. But there's still some nice stuff being released now and then. I'm pretty content to tinker around (I bought a lot of stuff back when Start Collecting boxes were better value, and I have a lot of stuff since 2e still hanging around) and make my own way.

I think as we get older our tastes get more idiosyncratic and it's harder to find a community with exactly the same outlook. So I've moved to just "games mastering" games with my friends from RPGs, slowly getting them involved. That means I prefer simpler rulesets that are easier to teach non-wargamers these days.

Someday in the future, maybe I'll come back to "the community" but I feel it is moving on without me, and perhaps I won't ever feel like coming back. But I think that's just a natural evolution for a lot of hobbyists.

I have to say, pure sticker shock from the prices plays a part in making me drop out too. I've got a decent income, but it's hard to justify what they're asking for when plenty of competitors make nice models that aren't as pricey.

   
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I’ve been “leaving 40k” for decades. But now I have kids and lots more excuses to play with my old toys. So why leave? Just keep playing what’s fun? I mean, modern 40k is just a thing in the background that keeps the old stuff circulating onto eBay for me to snaffle at when my kid wants a new thingy for our latest project idea.

   
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 theCrowe wrote:
I’ve been “leaving 40k” for decades. But now I have kids and lots more excuses to play with my old toys. So why leave? Just keep playing what’s fun? I mean, modern 40k is just a thing in the background that keeps the old stuff circulating onto eBay for me to snaffle at when my kid wants a new thingy for our latest project idea.


This is roughly my situation. My kid makes it even easier to stay in the 40k universe, it's just that we use Grimdark Future and used minis. Even without using GW rules I can't say that I really left if my 40k figures have seen more table time last year than any of the 25 years I've been in the hobby.

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I'm on Grimdark Future as well (mostly Firefight; I use Grimdark Future: Firefight as the main game of the miniature wargaming club I run for kids in my town). I'm a patron of them and have been using the Army Forge Studio app a lot, mostly to make my factions based on my 40k fanfic Secret War. Which I love.

But I use the GFF rules and the 40k fluff as it's much better than OPR's, mostly because OPR doesn't have 36 years of writing and development on their lore, though.

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 Adrassil wrote:
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But I use the GFF rules and the 40k fluff as it's much better than OPR's, mostly because OPR doesn't have 36 years of writing and development on their lore, though.

Agreed. I've got nearly zero interest in OPR fluff. Even if I leaned into their additions and got a Jackal army, I'd be running it as a Tau affiliate or inserting it into the 40k universe somehow.

I do roughly the same with KOW rules (a favorite of mine) in the WHFB universe, with a mix of GW and i other figures.

With such a great variety of settings, miniatures and rules available, there's no reason to be confined to one source.

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It's been a while since i posted in this topic, and i see it has come back to life.
So on the update side our 5th ed based oldhammer group is still going strong and gaining players/interest. so all is well with the world without current GW.






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 Eilif wrote:
 Adrassil wrote:
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But I use the GFF rules and the 40k fluff as it's much better than OPR's, mostly because OPR doesn't have 36 years of writing and development on their lore, though.

Agreed. I've got nearly zero interest in OPR fluff. Even if I leaned into their additions and got a Jackal army, I'd be running it as a Tau affiliate or inserting it into the 40k universe somehow.

I do roughly the same with KOW rules (a favorite of mine) in the WHFB universe, with a mix of GW and i other figures.

With such a great variety of settings, miniatures and rules available, there's no reason to be confined to one source.


I took the chance when "leaving" to restructure 40K into something more to my liking. Made it more "Rogue Trader" than modern 40K, with significant chunks of the galaxy under human, but not Imperial control. Sort of had the Great Crusade limping on post Heresy, slowly, and allowed for more interaction between humans and xenos in non Imperial areas. Primarchs are just famous leaders of space marine legions and not giants with magic powers.
Cut down the number of space marine subtypes to basically loyalist and traitor, dropped Craftworld Eldar as a military force (they just run away from conflicts) and have my Eldar mostly be Dark Eldar pirates. Demiurg instead of Squats, because I like the idea of another Xenos species better than abhumans, and if you use closed helmet Forgefathers you can imagine they look like anything underneath the helmets (I imagine something like the Volun from Mass Effect, like deep sea fish that need pressure suits to survive at pressures that are good for humans). Tau, Tyranids and Orks are basically unchanged. Necrons are an ancient AI that infests machines, and Necron Warriors are human-built androids that have been taken over. The other constructs are older or AI built creations. Said AI is the reason for the anti-AI stance of the Imperials and the source of the "Men of Iron" myths.

The idea is that this sort of setting is a bit more amenable to sandbox style RPG play for various things, and cuts out stuff I don't like too much in the normal game. I've done similar with Fantasy.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
 Eilif wrote:
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With such a great variety of settings, miniatures and rules available, there's no reason to be confined to one source.


I took the chance when "leaving" to restructure 40K into something more to my liking. Made it more "Rogue Trader" than modern 40K, with significant chunks of the galaxy under human, but not Imperial control.
[/spoiler]
Sort of had the Great Crusade limping on post Heresy, slowly, and allowed for more interaction between humans and xenos in non Imperial areas. Primarchs are just famous leaders of space marine legions and not giants with magic powers.
Cut down the number of space marine subtypes to basically loyalist and traitor, dropped Craftworld Eldar as a military force (they just run away from conflicts) and have my Eldar mostly be Dark Eldar pirates. Demiurg instead of Squats, because I like the idea of another Xenos species better than abhumans, and if you use closed helmet Forgefathers you can imagine they look like anything underneath the helmets (I imagine something like the Volun from Mass Effect, like deep sea fish that need pressure suits to survive at pressures that are good for humans). Tau, Tyranids and Orks are basically unchanged. Necrons are an ancient AI that infests machines, and Necron Warriors are human-built androids that have been taken over. The other constructs are older or AI built creations. Said AI is the reason for the anti-AI stance of the Imperials and the source of the "Men of Iron" myths. [spoiler]

The idea is that this sort of setting is a bit more amenable to sandbox style RPG play for various things, and cuts out stuff I don't like too much in the normal game. I've done similar with Fantasy.


Absolutely no reason not to reshape fluff to your own liking or completely invent your own. Most of the club has an affinity for the classic Warhammer and 40K universes so we use those allot recently.

However, for a couple years we used our own homebrew universe "The Galactic Frontier" as a meliu for a variety of sci fi rulesets and miniature collections.
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/campaigns/galactic-frontier/

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