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 Manchu wrote:
I do agree with Bob on not wanting a sequel, especially a movie about the replicant uprising. It reminds me of people wanting a Future War movie for the Terminator franchise ... and getting Terminator Salvation. If anything, another BR movie set well after the success or failure of such a movement, where the setting is a factor of whatever consequences result, might be okay. But it would need to be another genre shift. Perhaps a genuine mystery plot? The issue is, are there more BR stories to tell? I dunno. Before BR 2049, I would have said no. Even having seen and been amazed by BR 2049, I still tend to think, no.


The trailers I saw made it look like 2049 was going to be the Replicant war movie, it's why I was originally pretty uninterested in this film. The reason I'm open to a sequel is because they did such a good job with this movie, so there's a bit of trust there.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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It's nothing short of a miracle this movie was as good as it is, to expect the same magic a third time is maybe not a risk that's worth it. One reason this was good is cause it was made by passionate people who are experienced at their craft. The ending of this movie was no less open ended than the final cut either. I could live with BR being a duo. I'm not even sure this has made over 100 million yet, which doesn't bode well for another installment.

Fancher is a great ideas guy though, and Harrison won't live forever. So on the other hand if there is going to be another then who knows. I'm not all that interested in a replicant war rebellion movie. To me Blade Runner is a noir, slow paced etc. And could it really be called Blade Runner if it's not about a Blade Runner?

 
   
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 Manchu wrote:
I do agree with Bob on not wanting a sequel, especially a movie about the replicant uprising. It reminds me of people wanting a Future War movie for the Terminator franchise ... and getting Terminator Salvation.


I'm a huge fan of terminator and actually liked Terminator Salvation a lot, probably more than the amazing but overrated second film of the franchise.

But I definitely agree about Blade Runner, I don't want a sequel either. That's because IMHO the ending was perfect and not really open, the story is over and after 35 years of sci-movies Blade Runner's environment is not interesting enough and fresh to justify a new franchise about it. The fact that Deckard's real nature is not revelaed, if he's a human or replicant, is a positive thing, I hate when everything must be explained. I've always considered him as a replicant but the mystery about his nature is one the key points of the two movies, it shouldn't be explicitly reavealed. It would destroy some magic about these two masterpieces.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
It's nothing short of a miracle this movie was as good as it is, to expect the same magic a third time is maybe not a risk that's worth it. One reason this was good is cause it was made by passionate people who are experienced at their craft. The ending of this movie was no less open ended than the final cut either. I could live with BR being a duo. I'm not even sure this has made over 100 million yet, which doesn't bode well for another installment.


Yeah, but that's the thing - was it a miracle that 2049 was good, or was it the result of getting the right people together and putting together a great and worthy sequel to the original. Some films come together in spite of themselves, but this seemed more like the product of people who loved the original and wanted to do it justice with a worthy successor film. So if those same people think there's scope for another film, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Fancher is a great ideas guy though, and Harrison won't live forever. So on the other hand if there is going to be another then who knows. I'm not all that interested in a replicant war rebellion movie. To me Blade Runner is a noir, slow paced etc. And could it really be called Blade Runner if it's not about a Blade Runner?


The trailers I saw made it look like we were getting a move about some kind of war with the replicants. I was uninterested in this movie as a result, until it was released and reviews I read made it clear it wasn't that at all.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Just got back from my first viewing and I think it's the best film that I've seen in years.

Okay, as a stand alone movie it's good, but off the back of having watched all the different cuts of Bladerunner over the past 30 years, I thought that it was brilliant.

Spoiler:
On the subject of Rachel and Dekard having long enough together to fall in love forever and ever, Wallace does postulate that maybe they were programmed that way. Was the N7 series a super limited edition for the purpose of breeding? Is Dekard N7? He seemed pretty tough for an old geezer and I'm having a hard time thinking that bog standard human haploid DNA matches up with replicant DNA.

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We only know of a single N7, for sure.

As for replicant DNA ... my feeling is, Tyrell built replicants on human DNA.

The dark possibility is, replicants are really just humans genetically speaking. The real difference is in how they are made. That syncs pretty well with certain lines in BR2049.

   
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 Chillreaper wrote:
Just got back from my first viewing and I think it's the best film that I've seen in years.

Okay, as a stand alone movie it's good, but off the back of having watched all the different cuts of Bladerunner over the past 30 years, I thought that it was brilliant.

Spoiler:
On the subject of Rachel and Dekard having long enough together to fall in love forever and ever, Wallace does postulate that maybe they were programmed that way. Was the N7 series a super limited edition for the purpose of breeding? Is Dekard N7? He seemed pretty tough for an old geezer and I'm having a hard time thinking that bog standard human haploid DNA matches up with replicant DNA.


Thoroughly enjoyed the movie, although the 'music' just seemed to be 'mood tones' reminiscent of the original's music core. Too loud sometimes too.

Spoiler:
Well, it is Harrison Ford. And the replicants he fights with are just rolling with the punches because they've got orders to take him alive or think he's their dad! Deckard didn't hold up too well against Roy Batty either.
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 Manchu wrote:
We only know of a single N7, for sure.

As for replicant DNA ... my feeling is, Tyrell built replicants on human DNA.

The dark possibility is, replicants are really just humans genetically speaking. The real difference is in how they are made. That syncs pretty well with certain lines in BR2049.


I'd always assumed that - otherwise, why would they need to bother with the Voigt-Kampf tests to detect them?

It goes back to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep; the only real difference is that replicants have no empathy for others - but then, it seems that some of them are learning it, and the horrendous living conditions on Earth are making "real" humans less and less empathic towards each other. The lines are blurring, if they ever really existed at all. Blade Runner moved away from that somewhat to think about memory and identity and a desire for freedom, but BR2049 looks like it's coming back to this idea. What if "better than human" is more than just Tyrell's advertising blurb? And what exactly is Wallace up to? He clearly wants his replicants to be able to breed, but to what end? Because his production lines are running at capacity already? or does he have something else in mind? It's obvious that his Nexus 8s aren't as totally obedient as he claimed. Is that a flaw ("life finds a way", as Dr Malcolm might say) or was that just a line he spun to the authorities to allow him to sell replicants on Earth?
   
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It's been a while since I read DADOES, can't remember if the andys had wires and gubbins inside them.

Obviously, the replicants from BR were based on organic tech, but putting holes in the andys always seemed like a viable way to work out whether they were human or not to me.

Maybe I'm just getting BR, DADOES, original BSG and new BSG mixed up in my head.

I blame Edward James Olmos...
   
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I think DADOES might have featured mechanical androids and animals (everyone owning an artificial pet was a big theme of the book; Deckard had a sheep on the roof ohis apartment block, IIRC), but in the film they were certainly organic, and they definitely bled pretty convincingly. The only oddity was Pris going into those weird spasms when she was shot.

Oh, if anyone's got a spare hour, have a watch of Mark Kermode's On The Edge of Blade Runner documentary from 2000 (after the Director's Cut was released, but before the Final Cut).

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Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.


Shouldn't go to the movies tired, i've seen some pretty lousy movies in the theaters and i've never fallen asleep.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.


Shouldn't go to the movies tired, i've seen some pretty lousy movies in the theaters and i've never fallen asleep.




She wasn't tired when she went in.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Was it the spa music?

   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.


Shouldn't go to the movies tired, i've seen some pretty lousy movies in the theaters and i've never fallen asleep.




She wasn't tired when she went in.


The moment when K encounters the giant hologram is when he decided to take control of his own life.
Spoiler:
He basically sacrifices himself to reunite Deckard with his daughter, thus making his apparently meaningless and very normal existence mean something


This isn't a marvel or DC movie, it's not a space opera either. It has a lot more in common with noir/neo noirs than it does Star Wars/Star Trek etc. It's not for everyone and requires more thought and reflection from the viewer. All I know is I couldn't sleep until 2 AM after seeing this, I had a lot of things floating around in my head.

 
   
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She thought it was loud. As she's partially deaf...

It was just really really slow. About 45 minutes too long.


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 Thargrim wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.


Shouldn't go to the movies tired, i've seen some pretty lousy movies in the theaters and i've never fallen asleep.




She wasn't tired when she went in.


The moment when K encounters the giant hologram is when he decided to take control of his own life.
Spoiler:
He basically sacrifices himself to reunite Deckard with his daughter, thus making his apparently meaningless and very normal existence mean something


This isn't a marvel or DC movie, it's not a space opera either. It has a lot more in common with noir/neo noirs than it does Star Wars/Star Trek etc. It's not for everyone and requires more thought and reflection from the viewer. All I know is I couldn't sleep until 2 AM after seeing this, I had a lot of things floating around in my head.


I am familiar with film noir. You liked it, great. I thought it was dull as dishwater.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I don't find dishwater dull, but rather nauseating and sometimes horrifying, like a Saw movie. I should probably wash the dishes more promptly...

   
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Enjoyed it quite a bit but the sense that some things were left unanswered specifically for a sequel I found distasteful.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
It's not for everyone and requires more thought and reflection from the viewer.
Many (most?) people are used to and expecting a passive experience in the theater. One of my favorite movies is Barry Lyndon, a visually sumptuous film that punishes inattentive viewers. If you watch with an active, critical mindset, the film is moving almost beyond comparison. But if you just want the film beamed into your eyes while your mind drowses, it is interminable and opaque. BR2049 is nowhere near as demanding as Barry Lyndon, but it is a movie that will richly reward viewers willing to "think along" while those just looking for entertainment will get a beautiful, tedious slideshow.

Talking about the film, Mark Kermode referenced a film school exercise where students are asked to clap every time there is an edit. Most contemporary films have so many cuts per scene that you end up with irregular "applause" while older films produce much slower rhythms.


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's obvious that his Nexus 8s aren't as totally obedient as he claimed. Is that a flaw ("life finds a way", as Dr Malcolm might say) or was that just a line he spun to the authorities to allow him to sell replicants on Earth?
Just FYI, the 9s are the obedient ones. And I think they truly are obedient but it is a matter of conditioning. It is a reality that only becomes an illusion once your step outside of it, like most things.
Spoiler:
K has free will the whole time. But he actively participates in the belief that he doesn't. It's a useful belief. It allows him to do his job. It allows him to ignore the slurs. It allows him to deal with what he thinks he is. It's only when he starts to doubt what he thinks he is that he realizes that he has a choice. And it is a painful realization; hence the scream (whereas he has been on an emotional flatline, outwardly, up to that point). In that moment, he realizes that he has moral responsibility. Everything he has ever done is on his own hands. That's a crushing moment.
I think this hints at Wallace's deeper motives. If a replicant is just a person that was made instead of being born, then a replicant that is born is a person. Wallace came to prominence by saving the Earth from ecological extinction. I think he aims to save humanity from extinction, too.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Wow that was...boring. the wife fell asleep three times. How do you make a 50 foot tall hit naked chick boring? That movie thats how.

Shouldn't go to the movies tired, i've seen some pretty lousy movies in the theaters and i've never fallen asleep.

She wasn't tired when she went in.

To be fair, the movie is over two and a half hours long and is very leisurely paced. I've been in shorter movies that felt far longer and made me stop caring where this one didn't. I think people will be more receptive to this on Blu-ray/4k at home when they're not in uncomfortable theater seats.



 
   
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 Manchu wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's obvious that his Nexus 8s aren't as totally obedient as he claimed. Is that a flaw ("life finds a way", as Dr Malcolm might say) or was that just a line he spun to the authorities to allow him to sell replicants on Earth?
Just FYI, the 9s are the obedient ones.


Yes, of course. Batty was a six, Rachel (and Deckard, if you think that way*) are sevens, Bautista was an eight? and K and Luv are nines.

As for your comment about Wallace's motives, that's very interesting. I think I was struggling towards something like that, but I couldn't quite get there on my own. I did think that his killing of the female replicant was out of disappointment - another flawed product because he simply can't fix that one bug. I wonder how his apparent lack of empathy to anyone ties into a motive to "save the human race"? Is he deliberately playing the psychopath because he thinks it's what's needed, or does he intend to save the human race and be the one to lead it?

* Empire FIlm podcast #283; Ridley Scott appears to have changed his mind. Or at least, he seems to think that in the context of BR2049, Deckard needs to be human. Which leads to theidea that you can simultaneously see Deckard as a replicant if you only consider BR, but a human if you consider the extended story of BR + BR2049.

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The script speaks to this very question:

Deckard: You don't have any children, do you?

Wallace: I have millions.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
The script speaks to this very question:

Deckard: You don't have any children, do you?

Wallace: I have millions.


Self aggrandizing statement from a psychopath and the bad guy as he tries to 'play' Deckard (and fail). His relationship with his replicants is the same as James Dyson and his vacuum cleaners. He may have designed them but he pays a workforce to manufacture them in vast numbers for him.
   
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Just got back from seeing this movie(first film I've seen at the cinema since Rogue one). Really good overall and definitely worth seeing on the big screen, although the music was a bit much at times.

I'm also now a little bit infatuated with Ana de Armas

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 Frazzled wrote:
She thought it was loud. As she's partially deaf...

It was just really really slow. About 45 minutes too long.


I agree that it was loud. Well, not loud all the time, it was pretty quiet but then those massive, distorted trumpets start up randomly and scare everyone out of their seats. Hans Zimmer needs a new trick.

You're absolutely wrong that the movie was too long. It wasn't a perfect movie by any means, but the story it told needed 3 hours. With the number of elements in the plot and the evolution of K's character, cutting the film to a shorter length would have resulted in something being shortchanged.

Now, if you were bored by the movie well that's what you experienced. Everyone is different. But don't confuse 'I wasn't engaged' with 'this was too long'.

Manchu wrote:
It's obvious that his Nexus 8s aren't as totally obedient as he claimed. Is that a flaw ("life finds a way", as Dr Malcolm might say) or was that just a line he spun to the authorities to allow him to sell replicants on Earth?
Just FYI, the 9s are the obedient ones. And I think they truly are obedient but it is a matter of conditioning. It is a reality that only becomes an illusion once your step outside of it, like most things.
Spoiler:
K has free will the whole time. But he actively participates in the belief that he doesn't. It's a useful belief. It allows him to do his job. It allows him to ignore the slurs. It allows him to deal with what he thinks he is. It's only when he starts to doubt what he thinks he is that he realizes that he has a choice. And it is a painful realization; hence the scream (whereas he has been on an emotional flatline, outwardly, up to that point). In that moment, he realizes that he has moral responsibility. Everything he has ever done is on his own hands. That's a crushing moment.
I think he was realising that it was possible to advance beyond the limits of your creation.

Spoiler:
He had been chasing the false dream that he was special because he wasn't just another replicant, he was born. That idea was dashed when he learned the baby was a girl. This led him to a low point, he'd lost his love and was told he was just another replicant. The cleverness of that scene is that he confronted both things at once and resolved them with a single answer - Joi had evolved beyond her programming to be a unique entity that loved him and that it why he grieved for her, and it's why he too was and had evolved beyond his original limitations.


I think this hints at Wallace's deeper motives. If a replicant is just a person that was made instead of being born, then a replicant that is born is a person. Wallace came to prominence by saving the Earth from ecological extinction. I think he aims to save humanity from extinction, too.


I think he wants what almost every parent wants, for his children to have children.

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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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I saw the film this weekend past, and will again the next.

The comments that have been made since the film was released - I've avoided this thread until now - have been very good and help embellish my interpretation of the film, which I found to be beautiful, sad, epic, enigmatic. Thanks for your perspectives, folks.

I had no issue with the length of the film, and TBH wanted to watch more - such a gorgeous feast for the eyes! IMO the pace of the film was good and I was in the proper mind for it: 1145 matinee after a cup of coffee.

One item I noticed - or think that I noticed - that has not been discussed:
Spoiler:
Dr. Stelline: she is presented to us as suffering from a debilitating disease which requires her to live in a controlled environment. She has no physical contact with either K or Deckard. During K's visit, her hair is blonde; when Deckard visits, her hair is brown. Now, cosmetic augmentation was revealed once earlier in the film when Luv is having her nails done... but she poses as a hyper-efficient executive for Wallace when she isn't murdering, so such decoration seems appropriate for that role. But why would Stelline color her hair at all? Does Stelline physically exist, or is she another brilliant SFX... created by the devices that create the "visuals" for the replicants' dreams that she herself "records"?

Was it an intentional device to lead us the audience to continue to question the "reality" of what we just witnessed in the film, to put us into a dilemma similar to that suffered by K regarding his relation with Joi, and that of the original film's audience with regard to Deckard's humanity or not?

I'm trying to understand what this supposed misdirection (if I haven't imagined it) means... I'm not certain who would "benefit". I don't see how it could be a ploy by Wallace, for whom she works as an independent contractor - she's the treasure he seeks, hidden right before him, as it were.

Did anyone else notice that?

{edit - Wallace not Wallis}

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Saw it last Friday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Visually by far one of the best films I've ever seen, kudos to the production director and cinematographer.
The plot was good albeit drawn out in places, I think it could have shaved easily 20 minutes from it.
Thought the female leads were really brilliant, infact they stole the film for me - Gosling "did his job" thats about it Im afraid and Deckard and Wallace simply didnt get enough film time although I thought Wallace had real potential.
Soundtrack was good but not on par with the original which was disappointing.

Its not perfect however, the love scene with K was self indulgent and unwarranted tbh, some scenes were too drawn out (intro, wasteland factory) and it did leave a huge "oh we could make another one".

But very darn good nonetheless and looking forward to a rewatch

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I concede this is a point where reasonable minds can disagree but I do indeed strongly disagree:
 sebster wrote:
Spoiler:
Joi had evolved beyond her programming to be a unique entity that loved him
I think the film works hard to make you hope
Spoiler:
that she is "real" - but the film works just as hard to allow you to realize that she was not.
We've talked about the "what a day" and "you look like a nice joe" lines but there is a much more fundamental issue staring us in the face: K is "Constant K" - he is stoic, an emotional flatliner. He needs to believe that he feels nothing or, at least, that whatever he does feel is incidental, meaningless. We see three stages of K's emotional life. First, at the beginning of the film, where he treats his emotions as a joke. His emotions are just a meaningless byproduct of the mecahnical function of his body, sort of like how we (in contemporary science) conceive of dreams: just meaningless sensations that the brain sloppily attempts to arrange in a coherent way. We see this in the ironic "honey I'm home scene" which ends with the absurd "incoming call" punctuation to an abortive romance scene. Next, we see K start to take his emotional life more seriously. It's at this point where he decides to take a leap of faith about Joi's existence. This stage is epitomized by the beautiful love scene where Joi is super-imposed over Mariette. Finally, we see K
Spoiler:
have to deal with the fact that his leap of faith resulted in smacking hard into concrete reality. This is the scene where he encounters the Joi advertisement. I believe this scene is about him realizing that Joi was not real; like his irrational hope that he was the special child, K had merely allowed himself to childishly believe that Joi was more than a projection of his own desires, his own warmth.
This is when K "grows up" emotionally, and decides to feel this for himself rather sublimate it onto an object.

   
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Wow.. what a film.

It's rare I think that a project comes together like this and seems to fit together so well. Gosling was just so well cast as K, he really is the master of minimalist acting (under-acting?) - I don't know of anyone, other than perhaps Mark Rylance, that can hold your attention by just being impassive.

The imagery and music was excellent as well, yes the music did get very loud at certain moments, I wonder if that was a deliberate thing to pull you into the immediacy of the moment?
The pacing was remarkably slow for a modern film, and actually one of the things I liked most about it. It was thought provoking, beautiful, and let you get absorbed into it without everything flying through the air, exploding and shooting laser-beams out of donkey-caves, which has been the trend of most modern things featuring robots and guns.

Realise it won't have been everyone's cup of tea (I know for a fact not to bother taking my partner to see it, as she'll fall asleep) but for me this was probably as good a sequel to the original as I could have hoped for.

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Yeah, I thought it was a truly transcendent movie. At least as good as the original, if not better.

Its a shame that it didn't do better at the box office, but I'm not surprised. Audiences today just don't want big budget movies that force them to sit and think about what they're seeing onscreen.

But I have no doubt over time this will be looked at as an absolute classic.

For me personally, this would be an easy vote for best picture, best director and best cinematography (at least), and I don't even need to worry about what other movies are coming out the rest of the year, cause none will top it.


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