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What do you think of the Hellcannon as an allie choice ?

You could try it, but it's expansive and maybe won't do that much in some Games.

Btw made a 1k Nurgle army, how do you like it? Also how should i spend my last 60 points?

Allegiance: Nurgle

Leaders
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)
The Glottkin (420)
- General

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (270)
5 x Chaos Warriors (90)
- Hand Weapon & Shield
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle

Total: 940/1000

Glottkin at 1k? Dam you're mean

You still have room for 10x marauders though


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 Khornate25 wrote:
What do you think of the Hellcannon as an allie choice ?

It's nice, but really needs a marauder unit to bubble wrap it and prevent it from moving, or to camp a table edge for the same effect. Either way you end up paying a lot of points for something that may not really be worth it. I mean... You can get a GUO for much less that is likely to do more.

Yeah i know, Glottkin could be really good or really bad at 1k, depends at what i am fighting .

Hm Marauders would be good, but i don't have marauders. Any other good Units, that maybe put my model count up?

Beast of Nurgle is your only other option for 60 points.

And TBH Glottkin should really cost more; they are worth about 400 in raw beatstick capacity between their attack profile, magic, wounds count, and healing. Then there's that sweet sweet command ability worth 100-150 considering how strong it is. I think GW is going for a median price between what they are worth as the general and not as the general, which makes them a bit OP when serving as such.

Hey, I recently started a Mortal Nurgle army and got my butt kicked at a local tourney using Harbinger General with Glottkin, Bloab, Blightkings galore, and Plaguetouched Warband. I've been thinking about expanding into Nurgle Daemons and buying the Blightwar Box/Getting Started now that Blight Kings are "Nurgle Battleline" and the new Allegiance Abilities from Blightwar look pretty cool.

What do you think of this list and what else do you recommend for 2000 points? I was thinking of adding a Plagueclaw Catapult but I noticed you rated them poorly in your original post.



Allegiance: Nurgle

Leaders
The Glottkin (420)
- General
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)

Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (180)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (180)
- Nurgle Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (270)

Units
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)

Total: 1650/2000

I'd throw in Bloab fot ranged/magic support then reserve 100 points for summoning plaguebearers onto an objective turn 1.

With the new horde meta that apparently is a thing, do you still rate plagueclaws poorly?

Yes, because the (now even cheaper) 30-man plaguebearer blobs will simply tarpit hordes for as long as needed. Foulrain isn't even good now because the point cost doubled without an equivalent drop in plagueclaw price. Now plagueclaws aren't terrible they are just out-performed by most other options. For 60 more points you can get a whole GUO, even...

Does anyone know if the Blightwars rules will be purchasable on the AoS app (and if so, when)?

I doubt it, its just one page for the allegiance ability; there no command traits/artifacts/etc.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yes, because the (now even cheaper) 30-man plaguebearer blobs will simply tarpit hordes for as long as needed. Foulrain isn't even good now because the point cost doubled without an equivalent drop in plagueclaw price. Now plagueclaws aren't terrible they are just out-performed by most other options. For 60 more points you can get a whole GUO, even...

Yeh tbh you're probably right there... So are you thinking two big blobs of Plaguebearers to start?

Edit: Or perhaps I spend the 360 points I was going to spend on Plagueclaws on Blightkings instead. Probably a more sound investment...

Had Great success at the NOVA open! I took Runner up best Army (painting and modelling competetion) and a top ten finish in battle points. I wont 4/5 matches.. with the loss being a total 20-0 blowout tabling from a double stonehorn/kunnin rukk list. My wins were solid.

12-8 win over fireslayers
0-20 loss to kunnin rukk/double stonehorn,
15-5 win over kurnoth hunter heavy sylvaneth
15-5 win over a tzeench list
20-0 win over fireslayers

blightkings dice were HOT both days. probably overachieved but that's the way it goes sometimes! Had a great time. Kaleb Walters won it all with 18 skyfires and double lord of change (think one was kairos). My buddy played him on the final table for the tournament and it came down to a single dice roll. Turn 3 priority roll. Kaleb rolled a 2 ...my buddy rolled a 1!!!!

VERY proud of my army. Check out some pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/HaC96
I added the creeping vines on glotkin at 3am the night before the tournament. Couple warhammer TV guys did a double take and took some pictures of him and some of the blightkings. Also, got to meet our lord of the two thin coats, Duncan himself!

On another note I'm very happy to see nurgle getting some love. Havenet had a chance to try the new allegiance ability but I cant wait!!

Wow cracking work dude! Lovely looking army too! What was the actual list you ran? Is that the plaguetouched warband?

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
Had Great success at the NOVA open! I took Runner up best Army (painting and modelling competetion) and a top ten finish in battle points. I wont 4/5 matches.. with the loss being a total 20-0 blowout tabling from a double stonehorn/kunnin rukk list. My wins were solid.

12-8 win over fireslayers
0-20 loss to kunnin rukk/double stonehorn,
15-5 win over kurnoth hunter heavy sylvaneth
15-5 win over a tzeench list
20-0 win over fireslayers

blightkings dice were HOT both days. probably overachieved but that's the way it goes sometimes! Had a great time. Kaleb Walters won it all with 18 skyfires and double lord of change (think one was kairos). My buddy played him on the final table for the tournament and it came down to a single dice roll. Turn 3 priority roll. Kaleb rolled a 2 ...my buddy rolled a 1!!!!

VERY proud of my army. Check out some pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/HaC96
I added the creeping vines on glotkin at 3am the night before the tournament. Couple warhammer TV guys did a double take and took some pictures of him and some of the blightkings. Also, got to meet our lord of the two thin coats, Duncan himself!

On another note I'm very happy to see nurgle getting some love. Havenet had a chance to try the new allegiance ability but I cant wait!!

Congratz and great job! NOVA still used GHB1, right? If so, no shame in losing to the kunnin double stonehorn list--one of the most OP things and nerfed to the ground with GHB2.

 Vomikron Noxis wrote:
Wow cracking work dude! Lovely looking army too! What was the actual list you ran? Is that the plaguetouched warband?

Harbinger of Decay (General)
*Artifact: Chaos Talisman
*Command Trait: Lord of War

Bloab Rotspawned
The Glottkin [480pts]

28 Chaos Marauders
-Mark of Nurgle
-Darkwood Shields
-Barbarian Axes
-Icon Bearer – Tribal Banner

5 Putrid Blightkings
5 Putrid Blightkings
5 Putrid Blightkings
5 Putrid Blightkings
Plaguetouched Warband

Reinforcements [80pts] - (nurglings)

Total Points: [2000/2000]

Yeah it was using the generals handbook 1. Winner of best army/best painted was Oscar from Frontline gaming and a beautiful ironjawz army. So I didnt feel to bad

And by over acheived.. I'm talking 5 blightkings waddling up to a unit of 20 chaos warriors and wiping them out. Getting 7 or 8 5's (gave them lord of war instead of glotbum that turn) and causing like 35 wounds. But it was a lot of fun. Kunnin Rukk took out glotkin turn one. Stonehorns slammed the marauders, wiped them out and pinballed off the blightkings one by one. I had a chance to grab some objectives. The mission had 6 objectives with two objectives disappearing based on dice rolls on turn 2 and another 2 disappearing on turn 4. All four on his side and the middle disappeared. bloab was hiding behind terrain from rukk and had I got the priority roll I would have been able to capture one! Thats the way it goes!

Nice work indeed! You still running the list under ghb2? Must have saved a bunch of points on it right?

Same list is 120 points cheaper. Dropping the nurglings gives me 200 points to play with. I figure add 20 points for 7 more marauders..why not so 180. Toyed with idea of a warshrine or adding more blight kings. Or even just straight up adding horticulous to run with some blightkings for wound saturation...and he fits the theme of my army just TOO good.

I was also GIFTED an exalted great unclean one, came across 2 more of the smaller GW GUO for dirt cheap ($20 and the harbinger of decay model for both - I converted my own as you can see in the pictures) and 60 painted plaguebearers for $1 a piece. So a demon windfall. And with a NURGLE allegiance (as opposed to having to split mortals and demons) I think I will be playing with hybrid lists. Been running this list for a while with decent success. Will play with it again.. but going to have some fun with new toys >



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 Greenizbest wrote:
Hey, I recently started a Mortal Nurgle army and got my butt kicked at a local tourney using Harbinger General with Glottkin, Bloab, Blightkings galore, and Plaguetouched Warband. I've been thinking about expanding into Nurgle Daemons and buying the Blightwar Box/Getting Started now that Blight Kings are "Nurgle Battleline" and the new Allegiance Abilities from Blightwar look pretty cool.

What do you think of this list and what else do you recommend for 2000 points? I was thinking of adding a Plagueclaw Catapult but I noticed you rated them poorly in your original post.



Allegiance: Nurgle

Leaders
The Glottkin (420)
- General
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)

Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (180)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (180)
- Nurgle Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (270)

Units
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)

Total: 1650/2000

I always figured plague drones worked better in larger groups because you will get more opportunities to bring them back with the banner before they get wiped..Also what do you plan on doing with the 350 points????

@Sal4: I would bump the marauder unit to 35-man too, for 20 points its an easy upgrade. Then just take Epidemius.

Great suggestion. I ever thought to much of Epi. Seems like a lot of points for buffs to wound rolls, and later on hit rolls. Seems to me it would be rare to get re roll saves. And that's only against armies with a decent model count. But he seems to be popular so I'm probably wrong

I think many people underestimate him at a glance, because they fail to account for the strength of the first tier of the tally. Seven models is really not hard to get even against armies like Stormcast, giving re-roll wounds of 1... In a faction almost exclusively wounding on 3+ or better. Blightkings in particular benefit a great deal from re-rolling hits of 1 for the second tier, and Rotbrigers as a whole become extremely durable with +1 to saves. If you can get the 21 kills you need, the final tier is essentially a mystic shield on every unit in your army. The trickiest part is keeping Epi alive, something that usually involves planting him in the backfield in cover. If he survives a whole game, chances are you won that game.

I tried out Epidemius and WHOA! His tally got off quick.. thanks to a unit of blightkings getting into combat with some bloodreavers. I vastly underestimated his value. ESPECIALLY the +1 to saves. holy testicle tuesday. Blightkings with 2+ save in cover was so good.

My opponent let me use the nurgle allegiance ability (cycle of corruption) and the chaos traits and artifacts. The CoC was great! Rolled a 1 to start off and was disappointed at first. Then I realized everything gets +2" move on the first turn and that was great.. Downside is d3 heal (#7) wasnt possible. It was obviously WAY better then Forgettable destruction. And it offered a bit of fun to the game as opposed to just another rule to remember!

Finished me exalted great unclean one! Going to try and shoehorn him into an plaguetouched warband and ditch the harbinger for a few games. Im tired or trying to squeeze my whole army into a tiny bubble.

Im glad Epi is working out for you! As I'm sure you noticed, he is quite good for blightkings

Nice Exalted GUO! It really is too bad he can't go in a tallyband, but using him alongside a plaguetouched is probably even better anyway.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Im glad Epi is working out for you! As I'm sure you noticed, he is quite good for blightkings

I ahve used that same list a few more times. Been killing it! Going to try a demon list for fun and change of pace. Friends have been letting me use nurgle allegiance ability but chaos artifacts and traits.

Exalted GUO 500
-General
-Chaos Runeblade
-Lord of war

Demon Prince of Nurgle 160
-Axe (simply because of WYSIWYG)
-Wings

Epidemius 180

30 Plaguebros 270
30 plaguebros 270
10 plaguebros 100

6x Plague Drones 440

Nurglings 80

2000/2000

I can always drop the nurglings and 10 plaguebros for 5 blightkings. I could also drop the nurglings and downsize one of the 30 bro blobs to 10 for 3 more plague drones.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Im glad Epi is working out for you! As I'm sure you noticed, he is quite good for blightkings

I ahve used that same list a few more times. Been killing it! Going to try a demon list for fun and change of pace. Friends have been letting me use nurgle allegiance ability but chaos artifacts and traits.

Exalted GUO 500
-General
-Chaos Runeblade
-Lord of war

Demon Prince of Nurgle 160
-Axe (simply because of WYSIWYG)
-Wings

Epidemius 180

30 Plaguebros 270
30 plaguebros 270
10 plaguebros 100

6x Plague Drones 440

Nurglings 80

2000/2000

I can always drop the nurglings and 10 plaguebros for 5 blightkings. I could also drop the nurglings and downsize one of the 30 bro blobs to 10 for 3 more plague drones.

Oh, hey there man.

It is neat seeing how many guys from the shop post on dakka dakka. I'm the guilliman guy. Ya know the one. Been taking a bit more of a look at AoS, try it out again now that firestorm dropped.

Hey buddy! We will get a game in soon!

Played this list. Only changes were a plague priest instead of the nurglings. Opponent was a competitive khorne army. huge blob of blood reavers, supported by warshrine and aspiring deathbringer. Also 2 units of 6 bloodcrushers each and 20 blood warriors, 2 priests and the bloodsecrator.

I rolled a 5 for the cycle of corruption. So I started with enemy re rolls wound rolls of 6. He had me go first. The mission was the new take and hold type (first one). I deployed the EGUO, plague drones and demon prince behind a wall of 60 plaguebearers. I moved up everything as to not cede board space to him. He crashed into my lines with everything bottom of turn one. I wont lie, it looked bad. I lost about half of the plaguebros. But with strategic removal of casualties, I was able to open up some holes for the big fatties to get in there and some work. the plague drones were great! They soaked up so much damage. I focused all available attacks into the blood reavers to build up the tally ASAP.

The EGUO was vomiting a unit off the table every turn. It was INSANE how much damage he can put out.

When the dust settled the EGUO, a couple drones, epidemius and my objective campers were all that was left. He had 10 warriors (his objective campers) remaining. I wont by minor victory. LOTS OF FUN!!!

Take aways: Epidemius is almost auto include for me at this point. He is so good. EGUO is amazing. WELL worth the 500 points. I wont be relying on the drones for damage output. They were ok.. but for some reason I expected more damage. They were great at flying up the flank and holding it down though!

I need to consider picking up a glottkin for my nurgle force.

We're doing path to glory right now so thats not an option but when we move into the campaign I think I want him.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
Played this list. Only changes were a plague priest instead of the nurglings. Opponent was a competitive khorne army. huge blob of blood reavers, supported by warshrine and aspiring deathbringer. Also 2 units of 6 bloodcrushers each and 20 blood warriors, 2 priests and the bloodsecrator.

I rolled a 5 for the cycle of corruption. So I started with enemy re rolls wound rolls of 6. He had me go first. The mission was the new take and hold type (first one). I deployed the EGUO, plague drones and demon prince behind a wall of 60 plaguebearers. I moved up everything as to not cede board space to him. He crashed into my lines with everything bottom of turn one. I wont lie, it looked bad. I lost about half of the plaguebros. But with strategic removal of casualties, I was able to open up some holes for the big fatties to get in there and some work. the plague drones were great! They soaked up so much damage. I focused all available attacks into the blood reavers to build up the tally ASAP.

The EGUO was vomiting a unit off the table every turn. It was INSANE how much damage he can put out.

When the dust settled the EGUO, a couple drones, epidemius and my objective campers were all that was left. He had 10 warriors (his objective campers) remaining. I wont by minor victory. LOTS OF FUN!!!

Take aways: Epidemius is almost auto include for me at this point. He is so good. EGUO is amazing. WELL worth the 500 points. I wont be relying on the drones for damage output. They were ok.. but for some reason I expected more damage. They were great at flying up the flank and holding it down though!

Sounds like you have the tactics down well! Swapping in the plague priest was a very good choice. Plague Drones aren't a big damage unit outside of a Glottkin list, because it's the command ability that makes them a damage unit. However, with the locus and +1 to wound on their target from the plague priest they can still put out the hurt thanks to mortals on a 5-6. Now, if you pop the priests once-per-game ability (assuming use of the censer priest, which is the better of the two) for re-roll wounds on that target as well then they will really do a number even without Glotkin! Ultimately though, drones are not a reliable source of damage outside of specific context, the advantage is that they are Nurgle's version of a fast unit; they won't beat other outflankers to position but they also won't move from where you put them.

Sidenote: Never send drones against Stormcast Liberators unless you have to. Liberators get +1 to hit targets with a wound characteristic of 5 or more, which combined with their strong saves make them ideally suited to fighting drones. Also don't ask how I learned that, I'm still traumatized.


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 auticus wrote:
I need to consider picking up a glottkin for my nurgle force.

We're doing path to glory right now so thats not an option but when we move into the campaign I think I want him.

Glottkin is a powerhouse, though does take some getting used to. The biggest thing is to keep him behind the front line so he doesn't get ganged up on in melee, where he dies surprisingly fast because of the huge base letting a lot of enemies swing. I know you have experience with bigger monsters though so you'll probably not have any problems.

Yeah it'll take some practice games getting used to it.

Right now I'm deciding to add either a unit of drones or nurgle chaos knights to add some speed.

Path to Glory JUST started so my force right now lacks any real offense.

Nurgle Lord
Sorcerer
5 blight kings
10 plague bearers

My first game is against bretonnians packing a marshall, a unit of grail knights, and two units of 10 archers. I'm going to be playing for a draw in that match simply because those archers can pump out the pain so I'll anvil up on the objectives and make his knights come to me.

Knights; Drones really need a daemon hero to trigger their locus for maximum potential. Also if your blightkings aren't in combat yet you can throw daemonic power on the knights instead (or toss them oracular visions otherwise).

As for the matchup, I'd suggest parking the mortals in cover while plaguebearers advance towards the archers while being -1 to hit against shooting (mystic shield is probably a good idea here). When they get hit by the knights send YOUR knights around to hit his archers.