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 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
The problem with the Thunderhawk is not its damage output, it is nowhere near the most OP unit in its points range, the problem is how you maneuver the thing on the average 6'*4' table that has the correct amount of scenery on it. Mine is rarely used as it is such a pain to game with, I would rather game with any of my other super heavies, even my Ordinatus or Reaver are easier to play with. The Thunderhawk takes up most of a FW gaming tile.

I'm glad GW are making the Thunderhawk, I just hope people who buy one get to enjoy lots of games with it.

This. I don't have a Thunderhawk but I do have a Marauder and it's just not a practical model for 28mm games. It needs a huge base to be stable, a completely flat spot to put it down on to avoid tipping, and extreme caution any time you're doing anything even close to the model. Even with a lot of bending the rules on the actual model placement ("it's really over there") just getting the thing on the table is a massive pain. So I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed at wasting their money on a Thunderhawk kit once the initial hype fades.

I have always wanted one even if its just to be a shelf warmer. i'd say im more of a collector/painter than gamer 60/40. In the years I've pondered buying the FW resin one and issues regarding using it on the table I have seen pictures of gamers using multiple clear plastic rods and smaller bases instead of one big base, this let them place the model and its bases over/around terrain, as apposed to trying to balance a large base on top of anything. That's the way I would be interested in doing it if I ever end up with one.

The thunder hawk was something I use to want. But after playing the game for so long and owning some smaller super heavies.... I just don't care to see it in game or on the table. I need smaller games now a days.

I can only justify something that huge as terrain to tell the truth.

Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

Even if the model isn't suited for anything less than an apoc game, it's still a showpiece for those of us who love GW model kits. I expect it will still sell enormously well and even those bitchin and whining here will buy one or two early on.

I guess we'll file this under, "You can't please everybody."

Gods forbid the model company people make a model, eh?

I look forward to buying a couple Thunderhawks to paint and display on my shelf with the rest of my models that I don't play with. Games are for nerds.

Honestly, depends on the price and execution. If it looks like modern FW for a reasonable price, that'd probably be too tempting to say no to as a centerpiece (probably one for my collection, not army). If it's not an awesome price and/or doesn't look great, I don't need to break the bank on not-spectacular.

It'll be an awesome model. If anything else matters to you, you're in the wrong hobby.

Are their concerns, worries, or apprehensions? -Sure. Don't like playing with it, don't play with it.

Was this the original picture that started the rumor few months ago?

Yes it was.

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

Yeah I don't get it. And it's not even "I would have no use for this!", rather "This shouldn't exist because it would be too difficult to use!!!"

Imagine if we took that attitude towards everything? Yikes...

I hope this is true, I want one to add to my Space Hulk layout

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

Yeah I don't get it. And it's not even "I would have no use for this!", rather "This shouldn't exist because it would be too difficult to use!!!"

Imagine if we took that attitude towards everything? Yikes...

It's not difficult to understand. A large number of players saw the embiggening of 40k with large, awkward and unrealistic models as part of its downfall and a plastic TH would be the largest and most awkward model released by GW proper so far. There's plenty of people who think flyers shouldn't exist in 40k at all, let alone superheavy ones.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't get it. And it's not even "I would have no use for this!", rather "This shouldn't exist because it would be too difficult to use!!!"

Imagine if we took that attitude towards everything? Yikes...

Imagine, we might have a game that is less of an awkward mess of things that don't work at 28mm scale.

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from, I've been consistently saying that a plastic Thunderhawk kit is a complete waste and most people who buy one are going to end up disappointed once they try to use it in a real game.

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't get it. And it's not even "I would have no use for this!", rather "This shouldn't exist because it would be too difficult to use!!!"

Imagine if we took that attitude towards everything? Yikes...

Imagine, we might have a game that is less of an awkward mess of things that don't work at 28mm scale.

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from, I've been consistently saying that a plastic Thunderhawk kit is a complete waste and most people who buy one are going to end up disappointed once they try to use it in a real game.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you're putting too much credit into how much you spoke against the T-hawks. I can't recall reading about someone against having them be plastic, but a lot of people asking for them to be so, same warhound titans.

Personally, I think it'd be cool. I probably wouldn't use it, but I would love to paint one.

 Peregrine wrote:

I don't know where you're getting this idea from, I've been consistently saying that a plastic Thunderhawk kit is a complete waste and most people who buy one are going to end up disappointed once they try to use it in a real game.

I think the error there is assuming everyone that wants a T-Hawk wants to use it in game, it sounds like a lot of people want one just for the collection aspect.

 Blitza da warboy wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you're putting too much credit into how much you spoke against the T-hawks. I can't recall reading about someone against having them be plastic, but a lot of people asking for them to be so, same warhound titans.

Probably just because if you have a wishlist thread people who don't agree are less likely to step in and say something, but when you have a thread talking about how that item is now a real possibility, those people are more likely to say something.

People like to pretend other people are fickle, but more than likely it's just a different subset of people posting in different topics demonstrating that, shock horror, not everyone always agrees on everything.

It's kind of like spending all your time in a mosque and observing that "everyone" agrees allah exists then being surprised when you enter the rest of the world and suddenly some people are atheists. The atheists always existed, they just weren't hanging out in the mosque.

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. In the past everyone has been eager to see a plastic Thunderhawk. Now that hastings has supposedly given this rumor credence, people are suddenly lining up to drink the Hateraid.

Even if the model isn't suited for anything less than an apoc game, it's still a showpiece for those of us who love GW model kits. I expect it will still sell enormously well and even those bitchin and whining here will buy one or two early on.

I guess we'll file this under, "You can't please everybody."

Complainers must get rid of all miniatures they painted or converted for fun, cannot use it in the game get rid of it!

Plastic one would be a cool showpiece, diorama, conversion and so on.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Blitza da warboy wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you're putting too much credit into how much you spoke against the T-hawks. I can't recall reading about someone against having them be plastic, but a lot of people asking for them to be so, same warhound titans.

Probably just because if you have a wishlist thread people who don't agree are less likely to step in and say something, but when you have a thread talking about how that item is now a real possibility, those people are more likely to say something.

People like to pretend other people are fickle, but more than likely it's just a different subset of people posting in different topics demonstrating that, shock horror, not everyone always agrees on everything.

It's kind of like spending all your time in a mosque and observing that "everyone" agrees allah exists then being surprised when you enter the rest of the world and suddenly some people are atheists. The atheists always existed, they just weren't hanging out in the mosque.

Ah, good point. good point

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think the error there is assuming everyone that wants a T-Hawk wants to use it in game, it sounds like a lot of people want one just for the collection aspect.

I want to turn it into terrain, where it's enormous bulk will be an asset.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think the error there is assuming everyone that wants a T-Hawk wants to use it in game, it sounds like a lot of people want one just for the collection aspect.

I think there are a lot of people who think they want this. Whether they'll still want it when it's time to pay hundreds of dollars for a display piece that will never be used in a game remains to be seen. And TBH, since resin kits have better detail and are better display pieces, how many of these supposed collectors don't already own a Thunderhawk?

Yeah, it's not like ForgeWorld ever sold a single Reaver or Warlord Titan. I mean those things would never be used on the table top.

Well, if I'm sure of one thing, its that I'm not gonna buy one of those beautys.

Basically because I can't afford one

 SickSix wrote:
Yeah, it's not like ForgeWorld ever sold a single Reaver or Warlord Titan. I mean those things would never be used on the table top.

Those are much, much easier to use in real games.

 Peregrine wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I think the error there is assuming everyone that wants a T-Hawk wants to use it in game, it sounds like a lot of people want one just for the collection aspect.

I think there are a lot of people who think they want this. Whether they'll still want it when it's time to pay hundreds of dollars for a display piece that will never be used in a game remains to be seen. And TBH, since resin kits have better detail and are better display pieces, how many of these supposed collectors don't already own a Thunderhawk?

Being a collector doesn't mean you can buy something you want no matter the cost. Some people might have wanted one for display but not been able to afford one. Plus, the Thunderhawk is fairly old now and plastics have come a long way, I wouldn't be surprised if the details on a plastic one are at least very close.

I see the Thunderhawk in much the same way as i do my FOR and Aquila Strongpoint. They very rarely see battle as part of a list, but they make stonking good scenery for a battlefield.

I might just buy one purely for scenery use, or build a crashed scenery section with one, like a larger version of the crashed Aquila Lander scenery piece.

Dude... have you ever tried building a resin super heavy flyer?

Dealing with Finecast is child's play compared with dealing with a resin titan.

And dealing with a resin titan is child's play compared with building a resin SH flyer.

In the time that I've spend prepping my Eldar Vampire Hunter, I reckon I could've built 4 Revenant Titans in dynamic poses... and I'm not even finished with that flyer.

I had the dubious pleasure of building one of the pewter ones

God that was unpleasant.

morgoth wrote:
Dude... have you ever tried building a resin super heavy flyer?

Yes. It's not that hard.

 Peregrine wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Yeah, it's not like ForgeWorld ever sold a single Reaver or Warlord Titan. I mean those things would never be used on the table top.

Those are much, much easier to use in real games.

That depends on the specifics. For a start, plastic lends itself to a base that doesn't need to support as much weight and can therefore have a smaller footprint. There's also the interesting fortification idea to encourage more use. GW may even adjust the scale slightly with a more mainstream version.

Also I'd definitely question that statement for a warlord titan. They're basically the size of a small child (only better behaved).

 Peregrine wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Dude... have you ever tried building a resin super heavy flyer?

Yes. It's not that hard.

It's not that hard for someone who's already building any kind of super heavy in their sleep.
For regular people, who have little to no resin experience, building a ThunderHawk is beyond crazy, they're unlikely to be done in any reasonable amount of time, they won't know how to pin it properly and unwarping such large pieces properly without extended resin experience is just nearly impossible, meaning the overall assembly will suck balls - and that's before considering prepping, which they have likely never done.
Maybe I should've said "properly building", like no seams, re-sculpting the missing detail, handling all bubbles and surface texture, etc.

I've seen professional commission modelers say that it took them over 10 hours to prep and assemble an Eldar Vampire Hunter - there's literally no other model that even comes close to taking so much time, and I personally attributed that to poor cast quality and long supposedly flat pieces - maybe the ThunderHawks were better cast...

Hell I'm going to build 6 Lynxes and 2 Scorpion Mk2's soon and I'm fairly sure it will take less time overall than a single Eldar SH Flyer.

I think you're seriously understating the difficulty in building plastic kits well. Even with plastic kits you're going to be spending quite a bit of time removing mold lines, straightening warped parts, filling gaps, etc. And a plastic Thunderhawk is going to be an intimidating kit for a newbie for that reason, just like a resin Thunderhawk would be. The only real difference is that you probably don't have to pin the plastic kit, but that's a pretty minor advantage.

And really, how many newbies do you think are going to spend $2-300 on a plastic Thunderhawk when they're still learning how to build and paint much smaller kits?


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 xttz wrote:
For a start, plastic lends itself to a base that doesn't need to support as much weight and can therefore have a smaller footprint.

Maybe a bit smaller, but not by much. The geometry of the situation still requires a larger than normal flying base since superheavy flyers look really stupid unless you put them on 8-12" poles instead of the standard flyer base. That's a big model high off the table, there's no way around that being awkward.

Also I'd definitely question that statement for a warlord titan. They're basically the size of a small child (only better behaved).

The difference is that once you deploy the Warlord (in the nice convenient space you left for it in your deployment zone) you never have to move it. The issue with flyers is that they have awkward movement rules and (usually) fixed-arc weapons, so every turn you're struggling to find a place to put the model where it can actually do something.