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 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

I'm thinking of buying a bunch of these Nu-Marines just to drive Traditio crazy. That and they are cool models! I wonder how they'll look in Caliban Green...

I certainly intend to show them with my wallet the loads of new marines I intend buy.

Well i'll be doing an entire army of them, with all the Deathwatch shoulder pads I've been collecting.

The more I think of it I do like the two types of marines fighting side by side. It gives them an almost odd look, and breaks up a little bit of the visual boringness that has become a SM army. So in a way I almost want to pick up a box of standard tacticals just to mix the two.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

 Rippy wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

Here comes the Elephant!

Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. GW should have just changed basic marines into two wound models and say that Cawl found a way to inject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use it to mutate their own dudes... Then have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handked it much better ...

 Sentinel1 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

Here comes the Elephant!

NuMarine Rhinos - for some reason the same size as a Land-Raider.

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just changed basic marines into w
Two wound models and say that Cawk found a way tominject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use itto mutate their ow dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handkednit much better ...

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

As usual.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just change basic marines into two wound models and say that Cawl found a way to inject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use it to mutate their own dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handled it better.

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

I actually like the idea of marines all having two wounds. Like nobs. Ogryns three maybe four. Termies also two OK. Guardsmen one. Commies two or more.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just changed basic marines into w
Two wound models and say that Cawk found a way tominject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use itto mutate their ow dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handkednit much better ...

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

That sounds disturbingly...obvious.
Sorry, no can do.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Honestly i thought the Nu-marines had a nice helmet but the armor looked too sleek. You know it wasn't clunky which fit the grim dark feel. It felt too refined. Also yeah it bothers me Cawl (some new dude far as i know) managed to make all this super new armor. Considering how awful the imperium is in 40k and how many people want their power it seems to be going far too not grim dark. I didn't even like grim dark but it feels like an absolute theme change to me.

Cawl is 10.000 years old, or more. He doesn't remember. He has probably forgotten more about armour making than the collected current full knowledge of the adeptus mechanicus can bring to bear.

Isn't the Hlmet basicly just a modified mk 4 helmet?

I just want to see that new dread. Finally not being tied to specific competitive marine builds I actually get to think about what i like in the army and I came to the conclusion that rhinos and tacticals are super friggin boring. Dreadnoughts, speeders, bikes, assault termies, jumppack marines, predators and land raiders for me from this point on! Once my Sisters are done I mean.

Any release that gives me cool stuff like new tanks/walkers etc will be awesome. If they have numarine vangiard vets i need 20

I won't be buying them, if they totally redid the existing range in true scale I would be all for that, but to get technical these are NOT true scale marines they are 1 in new armour and that still means tons of converting/scarping/removing and 2 they look silly vs the existing range.

Personally i dislike their new boltguns, I think some of their armor looks ok and for the most part they do look like marines but the whole concept around them and what they are is not my thing, if people like them hey great go for it but I would have much preferred to see GW just redo the entire range years ago in true scale.

Anyway to get technical GW has not really come out with that many new marine kits in terms of this whole "they just redid all this" no...no they did not, the plastic terminators ( not the BA/DA ) are fairly old now, same with the robed da vets. What is actually newer...is assault marines, dev marines and ba, even sw are not that new at this point. Some of those kits are decent but it would have been better than to slowly redo the whole range over a few years than just make these nu marines along side their dwarf bros.

Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

As someone who is into the fluff way way more than gaming, I'm craving some great novels on the making of the nu guys. I'm imagining a reworking of Frankenstein with highly secret labs constantly on the verge of discovery and failure. Who guarded these labs? Who worked in them? Did anyone nearly discover their secrets? How many died to hide this 10000 year old project? Can't flipping wait! And hopefully it's in red leather with some cool design embossing!

Revenant78 wrote:
I won't be buying them, if they totally redid the existing range in true scale I would be all for that, but to get technical these are NOT true scale marines they are 1 in new armour and that still means tons of converting/scarping/removing and 2 they look silly vs the existing range.

Personally i dislike their new boltguns, I think some of their armor looks ok and for the most part they do look like marines but the whole concept around them and what they are is not my thing, if people like them hey great go for it but I would have much preferred to see GW just redo the entire range years ago in true scale.

Anyway to get technical GW has not really come out with that many new marine kits in terms of this whole "they just redid all this" no...no they did not, the plastic terminators ( not the BA/DA ) are fairly old now, same with the robed da vets. What is actually newer...is assault marines, dev marines and ba, even sw are not that new at this point. Some of those kits are decent but it would have been better than to slowly redo the whole range over a few years than just make these nu marines along side their dwarf bros.

Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

They just released a ton of FW models in plastic as variants for standard marines. Not only have they redone the line, they redid it with variety.

This thread hasn't been locked yet?
I dont really need any more marines, but now i have to buy at least one box.

 Traditio wrote:

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

They are not replacing normal marines with Primaris Marines.


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Revenant78 wrote:
Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

I am never going to be able to look at any transport vehicle in the game save the Necron ones with out imaging this now.

Transport vehicles in 40K have TARDIS technology. They are all bigger on the inside.
No scale creep is needed (nor wanted)

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 Happyjew wrote:
At least this time they explained where the new thing comes from. Where were all those Centurions this whole time?

They found them behind some boxes marked "Departmento Munitorum Corpse Wafer Rations".

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Honestly i thought the Nu-marines had a nice helmet but the armor looked too sleek. You know it wasn't clunky which fit the grim dark feel. It felt too refined. Also yeah it bothers me Cawl (some new dude far as i know) managed to make all this super new armor. Considering how awful the imperium is in 40k and how many people want their power it seems to be going far too not grim dark. I didn't even like grim dark but it feels like an absolute theme change to me.

Its all down to personal taste of course, but I like the sleekness of the mk-x armour. It provides a nice visual indicator of there newness and contrasts with the more ornamental parts of existing Astartes power armour. Hopefully its a theme that will run through most of there range.

Well, it seems I won't be saying anything new, but why not explain my opinion on the Primaris

First things first, the Primaris won't be replacing the good ol' space marines. GW already stated that they'll be new kind of units on their own, and that they'll have a different meta playwise, due to them having different equipment and stats than the normal space marines. It's true that you can get rid of the usual space marines in your list having all but Primaris, but the same thing goes for the opposite.

Also, people has been wanting true-scale marines for such a long time that finally having them is an incredible thing for the ones that aren't experts on conversions. Now people who want their marines taller can have them and play them as normal marines, and if you are more of an old school guy, well, no one's forcing you to buy them. WTH, you can have the Primaris units in your lists using the normal marines if you want. And if your concern is people laughing at your normal marines for not being true-scale, just don't listen to them (actually, just don't come near them, they sound like the most accurate version of "that guy").

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Its all down to personal taste of course.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

This made me laugh hard.

If they are fairly costed, I'll like them. If they are the nu-scatterbikes, I'll hate them. Very simple.

Fine. Screw this stupidity and knee-jerk fear mongering. I put forth that we boycott all Marines until they lose a point of Toughness, go back to 4+ armor saves, and revert to being psycho-altered convicts, all three of which they originally were in Rogue Trader!

If all marines eventually become variants on the Primaris, then would you look at that? I have an entire new Primaris army with no purchases involved, as I use all my old marines as them, "small" size be damned.

And my Space Wolves 13th company models (from back in the eye of terror campaign) become a really cool new spin on standard Space Wolves, as my force is trapped on the wrong side of the Warp Rift, forced to use parts of enemy armor and gear to keep fighting, and yet refuse to be saddled with the new 'pretender' freak-marines when the chance for reinforcements arises.