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Lol, thanks, but I'm confused now. I thought I had addressed the MOD's specific concern?

It doesn't look like it:

 Lorek wrote:
Wow, this is really running off the rails.

Either talk about GeeDub's stock performance or go argue economics in the OT Forum.

 Alpharius wrote:
It doesn't look like it:

 Lorek wrote:
Wow, this is really running off the rails.

Either talk about GeeDub's stock performance or go argue economics in the OT Forum.

So we aren't allowed to argue economics that directly affect GW's stock price, even if we link it back to GW's stock price directly? You guys don't make it easy sometimes I was trying my best to avoid going off on economic tangents that I didn't intend to directly link back to GW's financial health.

This is what happens when you release new material for almost all the armies in a single year. Whats going to happen afterward is my question.

They have been great with branching out the IP into computer games. Black library expanding the footprint, especially with the Horus Heresy. The next best thing they can do to expand the brand would be an actual movie/TV show. But it would need to be done right, with a hollywood budget.

Not likely to happen anytime soon, but I think its something we will see within the decade. The advancement of computer technology for movies these days is crazy good. (look at Star Wars, GoT, etc...)

 Dynas wrote:
This is what happens when you release new material for almost all the armies in a single year. Whats going to happen afterward is my question.

They have been great with branching out the IP into computer games. Black library expanding the footprint, especially with the Horus Heresy. The next best thing they can do to expand the brand would be an actual movie/TV show. But it would need to be done right, with a hollywood budget.

Not likely to happen anytime soon, but I think its something we will see within the decade. The advancement of computer technology for movies these days is crazy good. (look at Star Wars, GoT, etc...)

Ultramarines The Movie 2, coming... well, never.

 Dynas wrote:
The next best thing they can do to expand the brand would be an actual movie/TV show. But it would need to be done right, with a hollywood budget.

Not likely to happen anytime soon, but I think its something we will see within the decade. The advancement of computer technology for movies these days is crazy good. (look at Star Wars, GoT, etc...)

With the long list of people who are suspected/confirmed as being 40k players, we have a group of actors (and others) who might be up for that straight away. Pay them in GW shares, and they'll be laughing... for a while.

Thing is GW can easily branch out into games because they've not actually got to spend anything. If the computer game fails it has little to no impact on GW model sales; if the game succeeds it boosts GW model sales; and either way they get paid in royalties.

It's low risk, high potential reward.

Plus many of the companies they've signed are either like Relic or CA in that they are already a big name and generally are geeks who want to tell the story without GW having to go nuts controlling their IP/Lore; or they are very small companies that wouldn't push their head up too far changing things.




A movie is a different kettle of fish. First off if GW wants it done right then its a huge cost to invest in and most directors/studios would want to control the movie directly. GW would lose out on controlling their lore and IP very quickly (plus we've seen the mess that Marvel/DC got into with the studios basically forcing them to have to re-write new comic heroes to regain copyright control over them).
If GW went with a smaller studio then we end up with something like their last film they made - lore control but far lower production values and market penetration (to the point where many in this thread already forgot that the movie existed!). Plus smaller group means more chance that GW has to foot a bigger chunk of the production bill - more risk - far less potential reward.


There's also not many directors who I'd consider GW friendly from a lore/asthetics point of view. Honestly I'd say if they could get Tarantino as the director it would be a great match. But I still don't see it happening.

Movie is unlikely to happen.

For a start, it's got The Dredd Concern. The setting itself is, and has always been, hyperviolent.

Consider what would happen on-screen to someone hit by a Bolt Round. Or taken down by a Chainsword.

Without utterly gutting the setting, you're looking at an R rating. Whilst perhaps not as toxic as once perceived, that's still limiting not only your target audience, but the merchandising opportunities.

And GW have, traditionally, always wanted to retain control over the merchandising rights (so no McHorus with Emperor fries type 'tie-ins'). That's a bit hurdle for any studio, as the sales of tie-in stuff can make movies far more profitable, as you're not relying solely on box office and home sales.

Expansion is not always the best solution, that is why earth is fethed. GW is a micro cosmos of this, they need to step back and the players need to stop be like little chicks in the bird nest sitting there with their mouths open and screaming. Of course Its too late for this since GW is run by a bunch of money hungry share holders.

Is there any way to go back to be a private company without going bankrupt? Is it possible to pay of all the share holders and become private again?

FudgeDumper wrote:
Expansion is not always the best solution, that is why earth is fethed. GW is a micro cosmos of this, they need to step back and the players need to stop be like little chicks in the bird nest sitting there with their mouths open and screaming. Of course Its too late for this since GW is run by a bunch of money hungry share holders.

Is there any way to go back to be a private company without going bankrupt? Is it possible to pay of all the share holders and become private again?

This is technically possible, but it's absurdly unlikely for multiple reasons and isn't in anyone's interest really so I have no idea why you'd even be hoping for this. It's not like a privately owned business suddenly doesn't care about profitability. It's a company, if it isn't looking to maximize it's going to struggle to expand. You want more models, specialist games, codices, campaigns, etc without compromising quality? Profit goes back into the company to expand these. The fact GW is able to do a major production overhaul/expansion this year is due to their success. The incompetence and shortsightedness of the previous management isn't a symptom of being publicly traded.

Also, I'd argue any revenue stream GW can draw from without investing into will improve or enjoyment of their tabletop product, as they have more overall resources to work with. Video games, comics, novels or whatever all help improve the original games. Well... actually black library is owned by GW directly so that's a bit more ambiguous, but it stands for the other two.

Don't worry. He's just trying to be agent provocateur again and failing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don't worry. He's just trying to be agent provocateur again and failing.

118 posts trying to annoy people on a toy soldiers forum

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don't worry. He's just trying to be agent provocateur again and failing.

118 posts trying to annoy people on a toy soldiers forum

Plus a few deleted ones...

Yet I was subject to a ban because a famous Irish saying wasn't known by a moderator

Anyway, back on topic...

I am really interested where the company goes now. They are at the limits of production, and have recently demonstrated that they have no problem with investing in additional production facilities (buying a dice production outlet after customer backlash). I would assume the purchase of equipment to produce more sprues are thundering along, and they are employing more design artists.

These are all things that give an investor a warm fuzzy feeling. None of the investment is particularly risky, it's all geared to produce more product and therefore profit.

Indeed.

Even if demand drops off, having a 'spare' machine likely ensures productivity isn't hampered by routine or emergency maintenance/repairs.

And crucially from an investor's point of view, it's all being done with cash in hand, rather than through borrowing. See, it's when expansion is highly geared that things can go easily wrong, leading to the loans being called in, and thus bankruptcy.

Well done, new GW management. It's almost as if listening to the customer, is a good thing.

Only when ultimately filtered through professionals!

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
The next best thing they can do to expand the brand would be an actual movie/TV show. But it would need to be done right, with a hollywood budget.

Not likely to happen anytime soon, but I think its something we will see within the decade. The advancement of computer technology for movies these days is crazy good. (look at Star Wars, GoT, etc...)

With the long list of people who are suspected/confirmed as being 40k players, we have a group of actors (and others) who might be up for that straight away. Pay them in GW shares, and they'll be laughing... for a while.

The only one I can think of is Robin Williams. Who else is on the list?

Vin Diesel was one fella I seem to remember? Brian May too...

Pretty sure the Brian May thing stems from a 90's WD which showed him and his kids being shown round the studio, and it was his kids that were into it?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure the Brian May thing stems from a 90's WD which showed him and his kids being shown round the studio, and it was his kids that were into it?

Sounds about right. He did a few stints with D'Rok didn't he?

Also, it's rumoured the the late Christopher Lee war gamed. Not sure what with though. Insert jokes about playing Undead and Vampire Counts below...

Lol, I’d forgotten about D’Rok

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Movie is unlikely to happen.

For a start, it's got The Dredd Concern. The setting itself is, and has always been, hyperviolent.

Consider what would happen on-screen to someone hit by a Bolt Round. Or taken down by a Chainsword.

Without utterly gutting the setting, you're looking at an R rating. Whilst perhaps not as toxic as once perceived, that's still limiting not only your target audience, but the merchandising opportunities.

And GW have, traditionally, always wanted to retain control over the merchandising rights (so no McHorus with Emperor fries type 'tie-ins'). That's a bit hurdle for any studio, as the sales of tie-in stuff can make movies far more profitable, as you're not relying solely on box office and home sales.

It would definitely need to be R. Look at something Like Judge Dread meets star wars, with a splash of starship troopers or terminator or warcraft (depending on who the bad faction would be.)

Fudge you do seriously sound like you need help. Assuming you're not just trolling for kicks and laughs you sound like you really need to get some support in life

Self help groups or the like might be worth looking into for giving you some support. Heck just getting a new hobby or walking or exercise could be a big help to you.

Lists of celebrity games:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/742534.page#top
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257967.page#top

 Overread wrote:
Fudge you do seriously sound like you need help. Assuming you're not just trolling for kicks and laughs you sound like you really need to get some support in life

Self help groups or the like might be worth looking into for giving you some support. Heck just getting a new hobby or walking or exercise could be a big help to you.

Yeah he's been at this for a while. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/737118.page#9566165

Or nobody else actually cares, having far better things to concern themselves with?

I mean, it's not like GW are on the Nestle scale of evil. Not even close.

FudgeDumper wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Fudge you do seriously sound like you need help. Assuming you're not just trolling for kicks and laughs you sound like you really need to get some support in life

Self help groups or the like might be worth looking into for giving you some support. Heck just getting a new hobby or walking or exercise could be a big help to you.

Thanks for your concerns but I am perfectly insane and i walk and exercise regularly. I might be too sane since it seem I'm the only one who can discern the big companies foul play (or maybe the only one who dare to point them out?).

Now there's a Freudian slip if ever I saw one. But you keep that tinfoil hat on that you've got.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Fudge you do seriously sound like you need help. Assuming you're not just trolling for kicks and laughs you sound like you really need to get some support in life

Self help groups or the like might be worth looking into for giving you some support. Heck just getting a new hobby or walking or exercise could be a big help to you.

Yeah he's been at this for a while. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/737118.page#9566165

My personal fav:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/746175.page

Also :

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/739530.page