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gorgon wrote: LOL. Daddario...truly one of our finest thespians. Shall we also bring into the conversation fan-fave Gina Carano, the new Meryl Streep?
You're absolutely right, we should flippantly dismiss any suggestions out of hand while lauding the current actress who is so wooden she made the actress who played Maria Rambeau an emotive juggernaut.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Either you’ve got a really good memory for my (admittedly few) criticisms, or we’ve a similar ear for flatly delivered lines.
I’m always slightly baffled when folk praise her acting, because I’m just not seeing it.
She's a model in a metal bikini, there were far better choices to play Diana out there. Hell, Alexandra Daddario basically played her in Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief.
Don’t get me wrong. She’s not hopeless, so much as just painfully.....mediocre.
And to my own fault (not hers, for sake of clarity) it could be down to an accent my ears aren’t familiar with, and as such I’m not picking up nuances. This is a genuine consideration of mine.
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People compare Maxwell Lord to Trump? Superficial at best. He just needs to be careful what he wishes for and suffer for taking short cuts.
there are some similaries to trump, the hair (seriously go look at a pic of trump in the 80s, he looks quite similer to how Lord was designed) the guy pretending to be richer then he is to sell himself as the master of a life style etc. he's obviously differant but the similarites are there eneugh that it's easy to see why people think trump given how on our mind the man has been
"Slick and sleazy businessman making impossible promises." is a pretty well-established archetype associated with the 80's. Even if Trump probably did a lot to inspire the archetype, it exists beyond him.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
gorgon wrote: LOL. Daddario...truly one of our finest thespians. Shall we also bring into the conversation fan-fave Gina Carano, the new Meryl Streep?
You're absolutely right, we should flippantly dismiss any suggestions out of hand while lauding the current actress who is so wooden she made the actress who played Maria Rambeau an emotive juggernaut.
I can pretty easily dismiss Daddario as a potential improvement. Like flicking a booger off my finger, it's that easy.
If you'd come to the table and said that a Wonder Woman movie starring Charlize Theron should have been made at some point, I'd be with you. She's not getting that role now at 45 (unfortunate Hollywood reality), but she has chops, fierceness, beauty, presence...total package Diana. If you'd even said Jaimie Alexander (another fancast), I'd agree that she might be the most physically perfect for the part. She looks like she walked right off Cliff Chiang's pages from Azzarello's run. She's a solid actress, but certainly not in Theron's class and I don't know that she'd be an enormous upgrade from Gadot.
Look, plenty of people love Gadot in the role. She's certainly not a great actress, but neither are dozens of male action movie stars. For my money she 'inhabits' the role well, like a lot of other action movie have as they've delivered their lines in wooden fashion.
People compare Maxwell Lord to Trump? Superficial at best. He just needs to be careful what he wishes for and suffer for taking short cuts.
there are some similaries to trump, the hair (seriously go look at a pic of trump in the 80s, he looks quite similer to how Lord was designed) the guy pretending to be richer then he is to sell himself as the master of a life style etc. he's obviously differant but the similarites are there eneugh that it's easy to see why people think trump given how on our mind the man has been
"Slick and sleazy businessman making impossible promises." is a pretty well-established archetype associated with the 80's. Even if Trump probably did a lot to inspire the archetype, it exists beyond him.
Right...it's not a binary thing. He was one of that type that inspired the script and performance...but it's not meant to BE him or solely suggest him.
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I think of all the DCEU casting so far Gaddot is the only one that really has "inhabited" the character. She looks like Wonder Woman. She plays the "hope for the world of man" angle really well. She doesn't slouch (or her stunt doubles don't) in the action beats and her fighting style is neat and unique. All that sliding around and tripping people up. Taking away every ones footing and subduing them. I think she really nails a lot of Diana's "optimum" best qualities.
No, she doesn't do the wrath and vengeance angle of WW that crops up in comics now and then (especially in the modern era) but the DCEU is already drowning in that kind of bs. I am glad to have WW be a hopeful aspect in there. She really deserved a better second movie.
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Yeah, I can't argue with that. Could someone do a better job with WW? Possibly. But Gil Gadot has done a pretty good job with what they've given her. Sorta like Daisey Ridley or Kelly Marie Tran did the best they could with the garbage they were given.
Long and short, there's only so much even a great lead actor can do with bad writing and directing.
Yeah, I can't see anyone successfully chewing through the belabored and excessive 'moral' lectures in this film. Doesn't matter who was cast, what was written down was just not authentic or inspiring.
The accent works for me because she amounts to an alien.
She is a literal demi god raised on a secluded island of immortals. The accent and her interactions with people help build that separation that she should have. She ISN'T human. She isn't "from here". She likes people and interacts with them and wants to see them be the best they can be but she ultimately isn't one and cannot be one.
When shes having her diner date with Barbara for instance you can see that as much as she is having fun with this person in this moment, this is still a WW that has had all of her family lost to her (staying on their island), and had every friend she made when she entered the World of Man in the 1920s grow old and die.
Shes disconnected. And that disconnect translates to her interactions with these people.
Again, I think Gal Gaddot does a really good job with the character. But feth this movie needs like 40 minutes trimmed off it and a ton of editing work.
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trexmeyer wrote: The best thing about the movie was The Blue Monday remix.
Concering BoP: The jail break in and subsequent fight in the evidence room was more enjoyable to watch than any part of WW84. The big fight at the end was where the choreography was sketchy.
I was actually more excited about the Frankie Goes to Hollywood "Welcome to the Pleasuredome" remix in the movie.
Being set in 1984, why they didn't revolve this movie around the Cold War is beyond me.
Probably because the "making the Russians the villains" horse has been flogged into its component atoms.
If you want Cold War films there's any number of films set in the era or allegorical stories about it, we didn't need another. I guess choosing not to do that's a new thing in the positive column.
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Who said anything about making Russia the villain? You can play into the escalation of war better between the 2 sides if manipulated by a neutral villain. Anything better than the villain we got, which quite frankly was worse than any single episode tv series villain.
At least the setting of 1984 would have made sense. And tbh, the Cold war hasn't been touched too much recently in movies at all.
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Think it's pretty clear that the creators didn't want another film about war/conflict between nations. This one was supposed to be about Diana as a force for love and truth, winning the day with an emotional appeal and not a god-power blast.
Well, a movie set in the 80's where "Love and Truth" triumphs over "Greed and Lies" would be a pretty great thematic movie and have something to say about the 80's and modern life.
However, I get the feeling this was not that movie.....
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For those that don't read the comics Dianna recently ascended to, essentially, godhood so perhaps the third movie will do that. Doing that without a weird god-like Batman-who-laughs will be tricky but WB has never been all that great with their DC licenses so I doubt that would matter much.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Compel wrote: Diana ascends to godhood and drops back down again pretty much all the time. It's pretty much as common a comic staple as Alfred dying by this point.
It is like dying in comics: it isn't permanent. Still that doesn't change the fact that at the moment she is a deity, of sorts, again and Brazilian Wonder Woman is out and about.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
